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Post by biroguy on Mar 1, 2017 0:38:15 GMT 1
Two tone green with 'Leeds City Transport' fleetnames would look good. The logo could be Leeds Town Hall, similar to the 'Blackpool Transport' branding which uses the Blackpool Tower as it's logo. Most likely With the obligatory 'brought to you by First' tagline somewhere near the fleetnames. Would be good to separate the Leeds city network from the rest of West Yorkshire, and a separate livery and branding would be a good option. A full overhaul of the fleet and a possible renumbering of routes to simplify and update the network. I'd like to see a large batch of new E400 City double deckers as well as refurbishing the rest of the fleet. A good investment for the city and would make good use of part of the government funding from the scrapped trolleybus scheme, but doubt any of this will happen! Quite bluntly First have no choice but to get rid of all non Euro 6 engined buses by 2020 operating through central Leeds, the same applies to every other bus operator too. 120 buses are to be re-engined, that includes all the hybrids and the 2012 B9`s.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Mar 1, 2017 9:11:51 GMT 1
284 new buses for Leeds in a two tone green livery?. I doubt there will be a different livery however we can look forward to 284 cast offs being moved to the rest of West Yorkshire. And given how the large groups move new vehicles around after 18/24 months how long will the 284 new buses remain in Leeds. Perhaps it's me being cynical. One of the big issues for the 284 new buses on order for Leeds is will they be suitable for cascade in 8 years time to places like Halifax, the only pure diesel option is Euro 6 which cannot cope with steep hills in places like Halifax, then there is gas which again causes cascade problems or the problematic hybrid/ pure electric option. It's not Euro 6 that can't cope with steep hills, just the Wright Streetdeck (& probably the Optare Metrodecker as it uses the same engine) as these manufacturer went for smaller engines to reduce weight & fuel consumption. ADL with the Enviro 400MMC stuck with a larger 6-cylinder engine similar in size to their Euro 5 predecessor (the Mercedes engine in the Wright & Optare offerings are 4-cylinder) so appear to have less power issues, the Euro 6 engine in the Scania is similar sized (it may even be effectively the same engine as Cummins & Scania have been working together on some of their Euro 6 engines) - not sure about the Volvo but I think it sits somewhere in the middle, the engine is certainly smaller than what went before at 5-litres but I think is more powerful than that used by Wright but with the very steep hills seen around the Pennines it may struggle there as well.
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Post by simon on Mar 1, 2017 10:20:40 GMT 1
Can't be any slower than when the Atlanteans arrived in Halifax in 1986. The 1975 batch arrived from Leeds and really struggled up the steep hills. Didn't stay long, some didn't even make it back to Leeds. I remember one practically coming to a stop climbing out of Brighouse on the 549 one evening.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Mar 1, 2017 16:02:33 GMT 1
Can't be any slower than when the Atlanteans arrived in Halifax in 1986. The 1975 batch arrived from Leeds and really struggled up the steep hills. Didn't stay long, some didn't even make it back to Leeds. I remember one practically coming to a stop climbing out of Brighouse on the 549 one evening. Some came to Bradford within a year
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Post by driver6540 on Mar 2, 2017 0:07:23 GMT 1
Fact is, Whether Euro 6 engine buses can cope with our pennine hills or not, they're going to have to, as that's all that is available for companies to buy new now. Slightly off topic but, anyone know why Volvo don't or wont fit the Euro 6 280bhp engine in the B8RLE to the current B5TL?.
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