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Post by A1YBG on May 21, 2014 15:15:04 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 21, 2014 20:12:15 GMT 1
It's a shame the Olympus never really got going, it was an impressive design that hardly anyone bought.
With smaller windows and more traditional shallow fronts, I think double deck bus design is going backwards.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 21, 2014 20:57:49 GMT 1
looks up to date, like the Optare Tempo design. It seems most the major double decker providers are redesigning their buses, Alexander Dennis has redesigned the Enviro 400 and Wright having similar smaller window treatment with the Eclipse Gemini. I suppose its about making buses Lightweight and efficient now.
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Post by timelesstable on May 21, 2014 21:03:49 GMT 1
With smaller windows and more traditional shallow fronts, I think double deck bus design is going backwards. Less glass equals less weight equals smaller engine equals less fuel equals lower emissions, surely that is the correct way for a better environment! |
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Post by A1YBG on May 21, 2014 21:53:50 GMT 1
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Post by A1YBG on May 21, 2014 22:26:42 GMT 1
A tweet of the rear.
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Post by driver6540 on May 21, 2014 22:58:15 GMT 1
IMO, It looks ok visually. It has a look of the recently launched Wright Gemini 3 top deck, but looks a lot more conventional than the new E400 on the lower deck. If it's only available with the Merc powerplant, then perhaps Optare may lose ground among their competitors, as they offer a choice of powerplant's.
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Post by Matty on May 22, 2014 14:53:55 GMT 1
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 22, 2014 20:50:09 GMT 1
If its made in Leeds. it could be good for operators such as Arriva Yorkshire or even Yorkshire Tiger, as these would be the most likely candidate for Optare products.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 21:03:31 GMT 1
If its made in Leeds. it could be good for operators such as Arriva Yorkshire or even Yorkshire Tiger, as these would be the most likely candidate for Optare products. With the B9TL being axed,EYMS Could be another canditate |
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Post by driver6540 on May 22, 2014 21:27:22 GMT 1
Optare will have to do a hell of a marketing job with this new product, as it's biggest competitor, Alexander Dennis's Enviro 400 outsell's all other decker's in drove's. As Stagecoach choose the E400 and E400H as the decker of choice, and up until recently First only buying the Volvo/Wright Gemini Eclipse combination, perhaps Optare's best bet would be persuading one of the larger independant's like Go-Ahead to take it on and make it their decker of choice therefore showcasing it's quality's and hopefully leading to some firm order's from the major's like Arriva, First and Stagecoach. It looks a nice bit of kit and i do hope it sell's well, But like the ill-fated Raptor and the MCV decker without proper marketing it really is up against it, given the total dominance of this sector by the aforementioned E400's and Eclipse Gemini's. Operator's these day's seem to want the flexibility to spec their own chassis/body combinations, so if it is on sale only with the Merc "Euro 6" as the sole engine choice, i fear this could handicap sales. One of the reasons the E400 sells so well is the fact that it is available with a choice of engine/chassis options, namely ALD's own(Cummins), Scania N230 and Volvo B9TL (now B5TL), same with the Wright Gemini decker which offered Volvo B9TL or VDL 300 options. I also think it'd be good to see a few Optare Metro-decker demonstrators operating with fleets in this area.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 0:56:49 GMT 1
Optare will have to do a hell of a marketing job with this new product, as it's biggest competitor, Alexander Dennis's Enviro 400 outsell's all other decker's in drove's. As Stagecoach choose the E400 and E400H as the decker of choice, and up until recently First only buying the Volvo/Wright Gemini Eclipse combination, perhaps Optare's best bet would be persuading one of the larger independant's like Go-Ahead to take it on and make it their decker of choice therefore showcasing it's quality's and hopefully leading to some firm order's from the major's like Arriva, First and Stagecoach. It looks a nice bit of kit and i do hope it sell's well, But like the ill-fated Raptor and the MCV decker without proper marketing it really is up against it, given the total dominance of this sector by the aforementioned E400's and Eclipse Gemini's. Operator's these day's seem to want the flexibility to spec their own chassis/body combinations, so if it is on sale only with the Merc "Euro 6" as the sole engine choice, i fear this could handicap sales. One of the reasons the E400 sells so well is the fact that it is available with a choice of engine/chassis options, namely ALD's own(Cummins), Scania N230 and Volvo B9TL (now B5TL), same with the Wright Gemini decker which offered Volvo B9TL or VDL 300 options. I also think it'd be good to see a few Optare Metro-decker demonstrators operating with fleets in this area. I Agree with this,I think Go North East is a defo possability over the Metrodecker (maybe if they did a similer thing like with versa - a demo to there spec then if its good it progresses to a full order),Didnt GNE cut back there orders on the Gemini 2 (the original plan was for also X70/1 to get them as well) because of the price?,If the Optare proves to be as good but cheaper then i could see them defo going for this,As for the Mercedes only option - maybe look for operators that already have Mercedes buses in there fleet (again GNE springs to mind) but also maybe the likes of Mcgills? maybe in time they will add options to the Metrodecker (they didnt have a Cummins option to the solo straight away,plus it took a few year for Wright to add the VDL to the Gemini range),Another Option would be to try & arange a deal with Dawsons like they did with the Solo (do Dawsons deal with New Deckers?) I Think there is a space in the market,its just for Optare to find it |
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Post by kendall17 on May 23, 2014 8:07:45 GMT 1
Think it looks quite sleek and look forward to a demo being forced into companies hands for a week or two. Think it has potential to work for Optare, but trying to get operators out of their comfort zones with what they know best i.e Wright/ADL products is going to be a hard task.
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Post by Jamie on May 23, 2014 16:35:23 GMT 1
Key notable from the new decker is that it's under 10,000kg. Which stands out to the rest.
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Post by deerfold on May 23, 2014 17:11:13 GMT 1
With smaller windows and more traditional shallow fronts, I think double deck bus design is going backwards. Less glass equals less weight equals smaller engine equals less fuel equals lower emissions, surely that is the correct way for a better environment! Depends - if it puts people off using the bus and they stay in their cars it's not helping. |
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Post by timelesstable on May 23, 2014 18:44:05 GMT 1
If its made in Leeds. it could be good for operators such as Arriva Yorkshire or even Yorkshire Tiger, as these would be the most likely candidate for Optare products. I cannot see Yorkshire Tiger buying new deckers when Arriva can cascade older ones to them |
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Post by timelesstable on May 23, 2014 18:46:24 GMT 1
Less glass equals less weight equals smaller engine equals less fuel equals lower emissions, surely that is the correct way for a better environment! Depends - if it puts people off using the bus and they stay in their cars it's not helping. It does help if it replaces any older one with an inefficient engine. |
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Post by kuyoyo on May 23, 2014 19:48:48 GMT 1
Optare will have to do a hell of a marketing job with this new product, as it's biggest competitor, Alexander Dennis's Enviro 400 outsell's all other decker's in drove's. As Stagecoach choose the E400 and E400H as the decker of choice, and up until recently First only buying the Volvo/Wright Gemini Eclipse combination, perhaps Optare's best bet would be persuading one of the larger independant's like Go-Ahead to take it on and make it their decker of choice therefore showcasing it's quality's and hopefully leading to some firm order's from the major's like Arriva, First and Stagecoach. It looks a nice bit of kit and i do hope it sell's well, But like the ill-fated Raptor and the MCV decker without proper marketing it really is up against it, given the total dominance of this sector by the aforementioned E400's and Eclipse Gemini's. Operator's these day's seem to want the flexibility to spec their own chassis/body combinations, so if it is on sale only with the Merc "Euro 6" as the sole engine choice, i fear this could handicap sales. One of the reasons the E400 sells so well is the fact that it is available with a choice of engine/chassis options, namely ALD's own(Cummins), Scania N230 and Volvo B9TL (now B5TL), same with the Wright Gemini decker which offered Volvo B9TL or VDL 300 options. I also think it'd be good to see a few Optare Metro-decker demonstrators operating with fleets in this area. Arriva now going for the E400 now that VDL has pulled out of the UK Market. Plus, Scania's Euro6 range is also powered by Cummins engines. |
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Post by stevieinselby on May 24, 2014 19:58:02 GMT 1
Arriva now going for the E400 now that VDL has pulled out of the UK Market. Given the reliability problems the Geminis at Selby have had, I can't say I'm disappointed! Optare have done fairly well at getting their Versa out there, despite (or perhaps because of) its quirky looks, with them running under the colours of Arriva, First, Rotala, Stagecoach, Transdev, Go-Ahead, TfL, TrentBarton and a huge number of smaller independents. The Solo, of course, is completely ubiquitous. So it's odd that the Tempo SR has apparently only sold about a dozen to TrentBarton since it was launched over two years ago. Let's hope they have more success with the MetroDecker than they have done with the Tempo! |
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Post by Matty on May 24, 2014 23:30:52 GMT 1
The Tempo has let itself down since it was launched in 2005, that's why no one wants a new model, because of it's bad reputation
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 25, 2014 0:40:44 GMT 1
looks up to date, like the Optare Tempo design. It seems most the major double decker providers are redesigning their buses, Alexander Dennis has redesigned the Enviro 400 and Wright having similar smaller window treatment with the Eclipse Gemini. I suppose its about making buses Lightweight and efficient now. Yes, it does look a bit like a Tempo SR double-decker. We are entering a revolutionary phase for double-deckers, with the Wrightbus Gemini 3 body and StreetDeck to follow, the new E400 and now the MetroDecker. Meanwhile the MCV double-deck body seems to have fallen by the wayside. |
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Post by guyarab on May 25, 2014 8:36:35 GMT 1
Doesn't do much for me, but there again, I'm not likely to be buying one. The interior looks similar to any other. I am not keen on the small upper deck front side window or how the opening windows are set. At least they now have a rear downstairs window, even if it does appear to be a porthole.
Wonder if designers ever think about passengers when they thrust their plans forward?
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Post by Davidc on Jun 1, 2014 17:03:12 GMT 1
So it's odd that the Tempo SR has apparently only sold about a dozen to TrentBarton since it was launched over two years ago. Let's hope they have more success with the MetroDecker than they have done with the Tempo! The Tempo has let itself down since it was launched in 2005, that's why no one wants a new model, because of it's bad reputation The problem with the Tempo is the popularity of the Versa. Many operators are turning towards low cost, light weight & fuel efficient buses, something the Versa fills more then Tempo is ever likely to do. The same is now being seen with Wright Bus and the increasing popularity of the Streetlite over the heavy weight Eclipse Urban. Add to that the reliability issues that have plagued the Tempo and the its clear why its failed to sell in large numbers. As for this new MetroDecker, its not really a great looker. The front flows up at to greater an angle and the first of the upper deck side windows are just to small and provide a poor line of sight for anyone sat on the front seats. I'm not a fan of lower front end design anyway and this fails to make it look any better. Not the greatest design ever and Optare are going to have to work hard to make this work. |
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Post by Jamie on Jun 2, 2014 4:08:45 GMT 1
Biggest thing with the Tempo SR is price after the Versa got extension to V1180.
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Post by timelesstable on Jun 2, 2014 20:32:43 GMT 1
Not many new buses being produced today by Optare.
BBC reported about a strike at the factory this morning
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