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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:17:02 GMT 1
News from YDBN group:
"Centrebus Holdings Ltd is a jointly owned company with shareholding split between Centrebus Ltd (60%) & Arriva plc (40%). Centrebus Holdings owns the operations at Hinckley, operated under the Centrebus Holdings O-license, & the operations in Yorkshire (Waterloo, Honley, Elland & Leeds) operating under the Huddersfield Bus Company, Teamdeck & White Rose Bus Co O-licenses.
Agreement has been reached for Arriva plc to purchase the shareholding in Centrebus Holdings owned by Centrebus, thereby taking over 100% control of all 5 depots & the 4 companies & O-licenses owned by Centrebus Holdings as going concerns. Hinckley depot is expected to return to the direct control of Arriva Midlands and all routes, licenses & vehicles based at Hinckley will transfer as such. The Yorkshire operations are expected to remain as a separate stand-alone business, managed and operated separately from Arriva Yorkshire under a different name and probably under a different livery.
This deal will not affect any other Centrebus business and has no bearing on the 100% owned Centrebus Ltd operations (Leicester, Grantham, Melton, Corby, Luton & Stevenage) or the High Peak Buses 50/50 joint venture with Wellglade."
This will be interesting if they change the name/livery at all.
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Post by A1YBG on Sept 5, 2013 17:14:51 GMT 1
Maybe they will do a wardle transport and have a colour version of their livery and have a different name.
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Post by sconehead85 on Sept 7, 2013 1:41:20 GMT 1
The problem with different liveries is that over time Arriva will lose interest and not want the added expense of having to repaint vehicles on transfer. This heading will also eventually disappear as Centrebus will no longer be in Yorkshire after the part takeover . There are one or two step entry dds that may be added to Arriva, a Scania and a Leyland Olympian but this is small beer.
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Post by malcolm on Sept 7, 2013 10:03:48 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see what colour the white buses that have turned up at Waterloo end up has. If they keep them clean leave them white.
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Sept 7, 2013 18:24:57 GMT 1
How is this going to effect services? Centrebus in Huddersfield seem to operate a lot of routes no other operator wants, like the 341 Stocksmoor,317 Almondbury to Lindley and the 340/342 Almondbury Circulars (I live in the Almondbury area,hence all the service quoted pass through my patch).Will Arriva be looking to maintain/improve these service or palm them off and keep the most profitable routes?
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 7, 2013 18:37:14 GMT 1
The separate operation could mean they are going to run it as a low cost subsidary, bit like Damory is to Wilts & Dorset and Notts & Derby is to TrentBarton
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Post by SF07 on Sept 7, 2013 20:15:42 GMT 1
If Arriva do look for a new name for Centrebus's WY operation, how about taking the K-Line name and adopt it for all Centrebus/Hudds Bus services?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 7, 2013 22:35:06 GMT 1
I can understand Wardle keeping a seperate name, at least for now, as it operates outside Arriva's main operations (although I believe they have introduced a route from Hanley to Derby). However, as Arriva already operate into Leeds, Halifax and Huddersfield it seems pointless keeping Centrebus West Yorks as a seperate subsidiary.
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Post by sconehead85 on Sept 8, 2013 1:46:21 GMT 1
Courtesy opf the West Yorkshire Fleetlists website here is a breakdown of what Arriva will inherit from Centrebus.
SINGLE DECK
45 Optare Solo
15 Scania Omni
13 VDL or DAF SB120
10 VDL SB200 (613/4, 719-25 are listed as SB220 but they date from 2005 on so they must be SB200 )
10 Dennis Dart SLF
9 VDL SB180
7 DAF SB220 (of which M844 RCP and R11 WAL may be step entry)
5 Optare Tempo
1 each MAN and Bluebird.
DOUBLE DECK
8 Dennis Trident
2 Scania Olympus
1 each Leyland Olympian and Scania (both step entry).
It will be interesting to see the fleet numbers these vehicles receive as some clash with existing AY fleet numbers.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Sept 8, 2013 12:35:34 GMT 1
I can understand Wardle keeping a seperate name, at least for now, as it operates outside Arriva's main operations (although I believe they have introduced a route from Hanley to Derby). However, as Arriva already operate into Leeds, Halifax and Huddersfield it seems pointless keeping Centrebus West Yorks as a seperate subsidiary. I think Wardle was kept as they are because of how strong a brand the Wardle company was. Arriva recognised that changing the company to Arriva may harm it's future in Staffordshire as it wouldn't have gone down too well with Wardle customers. |
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Sept 8, 2013 12:43:34 GMT 1
How is this going to effect services? Centrebus in Huddersfield seem to operate a lot of routes no other operator wants, like the 341 Stocksmoor,317 Almondbury to Lindley and the 340/342 Almondbury Circulars (I live in the Almondbury area,hence all the service quoted pass through my patch).Will Arriva be looking to maintain/improve these service or palm them off and keep the most profitable routes? All these routes are subsidised by Metro on con tract until the next review so won't be off loaded. As for other Huddersfield routes, some of the Wakefield (231/2) Denby Dale and Clayton journeys (80s group) are subsidised by Metro but the majority are commercial and since Huddersfield Bus Co promoted the routes they have become more successful so are worth keeping. I think a lot of the other services in Huddersfield are again subsidised by Metro such as the 377/8 so again these will be kept. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 13:18:35 GMT 1
Courtesy opf the West Yorkshire Fleetlists website here is a breakdown of what Arriva will inherit from Centrebus. SINGLE DECK 7 DAF SB220 (of which M844 RCP and R11 WAL may be step entry) DOUBLE DECK 1 each Leyland Olympian and Scania (both step entry). I imagine 735 will be used as spares for the rest as it is listed as withdrawn after a crash which severely damaged its suspension at the rear, its already had its desti removed. And i can't imagine 803 and 942 lasting much longer. I can imagine arriva wanting to get shut of them because of the fact they are step entrance. As for other Huddersfield routes, some of the Wakefield (231/2) Denby Dale and Clayton journeys (80s group) are subsidised by Metro but the majority are commercial and since Huddersfield Bus Co promoted the routes they have become more successful so are worth keeping. I believe that during the day the 231/2 is commercially run by Huddersfield Bus Co. The ones subsidised by metro are the ones run by Arriva Yorkshire and First on Mornings/Evenings/Sundays. Along with the 231 Netherton - Horbury School. |
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Post by X212HHE on Sept 8, 2013 13:32:33 GMT 1
Some of the buses now have new company legals saying:
Huddersfield Bus Co. Ltd
Unit G, Lowfields Business Park,
Elland. HX5 9HD
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Post by Matty on Sept 8, 2013 13:35:53 GMT 1
Legals were changed on Friday, they now say "Huddersfield Bus Company, Unit G Lock View, Lowfields Business Park, Elland, Halifax".
Edit: They have made an error with the printing and have missed out the 10 from Unit G10...
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 8, 2013 15:02:57 GMT 1
Elland must have set the standard then since the K-Line still had Teamdeck legals and those from Waterloo where still showing their old Centrebus ones for Leicester yesterday
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Post by Matty on Sept 8, 2013 15:13:40 GMT 1
Huddersfield ones have been changed today. Apparantly a few in Leeds have been done too.
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Post by Matty on Sept 8, 2013 19:39:16 GMT 1
How about the name change to County Motors and a blue and cream livery or am I been just bit nostalgic  No, That has already been quoted by a lot of people but in Arriva cowhorns style. Either that or orange but with blue skirt & white cowhorns. |
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Post by i901 on Sept 8, 2013 22:31:24 GMT 1
Elland must have set the standard then since the K-Line still had Teamdeck legals and those from Waterloo where still showing their old Centrebus ones for Leicester yesterday As they should be - given the change of ownership doesn't occur until the early hours of Monday morning, from a legal point of view all vehicles operating yesterday/today should still show the Leicester address on the legal lettering as they are still the vehicle owner at this time. No vehicles should be in service until tomorrow morning with the new legal lettering shown. |
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Post by i901 on Sept 8, 2013 22:36:33 GMT 1
Courtesy opf the West Yorkshire Fleetlists website here is a breakdown of what Arriva will inherit from Centrebus. SINGLE DECK 45 Optare Solo 15 Scania Omni 13 VDL or DAF SB120 10 VDL SB200 (613/4, 719-25 are listed as SB220 but they date from 2005 on so they must be SB200 ) 10 Dennis Dart SLF 9 VDL SB180 7 DAF SB220 (of which M844 RCP and R11 WAL may be step entry) 5 Optare Tempo 1 each MAN and Bluebird. DOUBLE DECK 8 Dennis Trident 2 Scania Olympus 1 each Leyland Olympian and Scania (both step entry). It will be interesting to see the fleet numbers these vehicles receive as some clash with existing AY fleet numbers. sconehead85 This new company (Waterloo/Honley/Elland/Leeds) is nothing to do with Arriva Yorkshire - different management team, different O-Licence etc etc so fleet number clashes as not an issue. The ex Centrebus business is part of Arriva, NOT part of Arriva Yorkshire. |
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Sept 9, 2013 8:49:25 GMT 1
Elland must have set the standard then since the K-Line still had Teamdeck legals and those from Waterloo where still showing their old Centrebus ones for Leicester yesterday As they should be - given the change of ownership doesn't occur until the early hours of Monday morning, from a legal point of view all vehicles operating yesterday/today should still show the Leicester address on the legal lettering as they are still the vehicle owner at this time. No vehicles should be in service until tomorrow morning with the new legal lettering shown. Because the sale is of part of the shareholding of the owning company not the depots as separate entities any change to the Licensed Head Office for the O-license is entirely separate from the time of the change of ownership for the business, particularly since the new address is one of the existing depots rather than an outside property. I had expected them to take longer to sort the change of address as VOSA aren't normally all that fast in dealing with such. As for company name and livery, I have been told (though not direct from any official source) that the livery will remain Orange but it will be redesigned by an outside designer (Best Impressions? or possibly someone else) which may indicate that it won't be doing a Wardle of simply Arriva cow-horns in a different colour. It would be interesting if they adopted County Motors as that was offered to the staff as a naming option when Waterloo was originally taken over (and was assumed by the directors as the most likely) and instead they picked Huddersfield Bus Company. I would probably favour White Rose Bus Company (the name on the Leeds O-license) as a good name for a Yorkshire operation, that said it has been suggested they will just go for Yorkshire Buses (whether that had any insider knowledge behind it or whether it was a dig at a potential lack of imagination I don't know) which would actually have a historical connection since from what I remember the red half of West Riding after privatisation (the old Yorkshire Wollen District routes) used Yorkshire Buses for a time. Arriva do actually have a couple of non-corporate owned operations, as well as Wardle there is TGM, the difference here is that Centrebus Holdings appears to be aimed as a low-cost normal bus operation whereas the big driver for Wardles & TGM was that they had extensive work that was non-core to the Arriva brand (TGM with its extensive coaching work & Wardles with extensive Special Needs & NHS non-emergency Ambulance operations) that drove a need to keep those aspects of the management out of core Arriva management streams. Arriva do appear to be more willing to experiment with management streams outside their core geographical splits if that is seen to be an appropriate option and it is certainly possible that this model could be used elsewhere if the maintenance of a separate low-cost unit in certain areas is shown to be effective. Stagecoach are also starting to do similar though not with as significant operations, the Coaching & Contract work under the Rennies name in Fife & the maintenance of a separate identity for Fleet Buzz in Hampshire though I am not sure the management of those operations are as significantly separate as Arriva go for. |
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Post by Jack on Sept 9, 2013 19:51:04 GMT 1
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Post by SF07 on Sept 10, 2013 20:13:43 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 10, 2013 20:22:25 GMT 1
They obviously aren't aware that K-Line is involved as well!
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Post by SF07 on Sept 11, 2013 19:56:50 GMT 1
The first registration post-change from VOSA today:
PB1078487/54 - HUDDERSFIELD BUS COMPANY LTD T/A THE HUDDERSFIELD BUS COMPANY, UNIT G10, LOCK VIEW, LOWFIELDS BUSINESS PARK, ELLAND, HX5 9HD
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: ALMONDBURY ( WESTGATE)
Finish Point: KIRKBURTON MIDDLE SCHOOL
Via:
Service Number: K82
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 05-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only one journey
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