Steve Macz403
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 13, 2016 20:04:12 GMT 1
As someone who travels into Leeds every morning to work at St James Hospital and lives into Ossett I have two possible ways by car and try to park at work which is very hard to do, or the 217 at 7.30am and then catch any bus going up to StJames, I think everyone would agree that Leeds traffic levels at rush hour are at capacity and it doesn't take much for the centre of Leeds to become gridlocked morning or night, I feel that some form of integrated bus or tram system needs to happen before Leeds gets left behind, lets face it if Croyden and Nottingham can have trams sand dare I say Sheffield why can't Leeds, or does a certain bus company have the final say ........? I live off Beckett Street and what I think it needs is Bus Lanes going both ways the whole of Beckett Street needs road widening too between the hospital and Quarry house. Beckett street has got more busier probably during the last 5 years. It's got the volume of traffic an A road would have. During the day The trolley bus scheme, only had it going as far as St James, this got disapproved the first time. Well really I thought the route could have gone the full way to Seacroft.
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Post by davep on May 13, 2016 23:56:58 GMT 1
I quite agree, Beckett street has got busier, the main reason being that a lot of services at St James Hospital have been centralised on this site hence the increase in traffic,but not the width of the road, Beckett street can gridlocked from 3.45 till well passed 5pm regularly and it is normal to see four or five buses together gather both ways, I must admit, however many millions have been spent on studies for the various forms of transport for Leeds ( catchy title don,t you think) could have been invested in one thing which should been right first time,or is it that line north of Watford sorry Sheffield again.............in place?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 14, 2016 11:02:39 GMT 1
I saw reference to bus companies potentially scuppering the effectiveness of the trolleybus scheme if they run rival bus services accordingly. Maybe First looking at flooding Leeds with London LT-types had something to do with this?
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Post by kendall17 on May 14, 2016 15:14:13 GMT 1
I quite agree, Beckett street has got busier, the main reason being that a lot of services at St James Hospital have been centralised on this site hence the increase in traffic,but not the width of the road, Beckett street can gridlocked from 3.45 till well passed 5pm regularly and it is normal to see four or five buses together gather both ways, I must admit, however many millions have been spent on studies for the various forms of transport for Leeds ( catchy title don,t you think) could have been invested in one thing which should been right first time,or is it that line north of Watford sorry Sheffield again.............in place? It's not just the hospital. It's a route out of the city centre that can be quicker than Roundhay Road. The issue with Beckett Street lies in the width, but also the number of lights & junctions in a short space of time. 3 sets of traffic lights, Followed by a junction for the car parks, hospital entrance & dock green mini roundabout means it's always going to be slow at peak times. There's no means in widening it, without taking away the pub and staff carparking & service road in the hospital.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 15, 2016 8:41:06 GMT 1
I quite agree, Beckett street has got busier, the main reason being that a lot of services at St James Hospital have been centralised on this site hence the increase in traffic,but not the width of the road, Beckett street can gridlocked from 3.45 till well passed 5pm regularly and it is normal to see four or five buses together gather both ways, I must admit, however many millions have been spent on studies for the various forms of transport for Leeds ( catchy title don,t you think) could have been invested in one thing which should been right first time,or is it that line north of Watford sorry Sheffield again.............in place? It's not just the hospital. It's a route out of the city centre that can be quicker than Roundhay Road. The issue with Beckett Street lies in the width, but also the number of lights & junctions in a short space of time. 3 sets of traffic lights, Followed by a junction for the car parks, hospital entrance & dock green mini roundabout means it's always going to be slow at peak times. There's no means in widening it, without taking away the pub and staff carparking & service road in the hospital. Because Beckett Street is in a heavily dense built up area. It can be difficult to extend this road. The trolley bus scheme on the map dos have it running on the parallel grass verge from the Fountain head pub to the Anglers. Same with old super tram. Extending a bus lane from Hospital into Leeds from fountain head. could work, then it joins onto where the existing bus lane near the Anglers starts. Theres also local crossings used for both the Local High and Primary school as well to bear in mind. I've noticed it's afternoon Gridlock on Beckett Street tends to be more affected, towards Leeds than towards Harehills. Even something simple as applying a Peak time bus lane on the Leeds side could help traffic run a tiny bit smoother. ( also help Emergency vehicles to get out of the Hospital too)
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on May 15, 2016 10:04:15 GMT 1
What I want to know is how they propose to build a rapid transit system for £173 million?
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Post by 112jct41 on May 15, 2016 11:51:53 GMT 1
What I want to know is how they propose to build a rapid transit system for £173 million? According to BBC news the cost was £250 million.
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on May 15, 2016 14:24:31 GMT 1
What I want to know is how they propose to build a rapid transit system for £173 million? According to BBC news the cost was £250 million. Even with 250 million think they'd be struggling.
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Post by pub146g on May 15, 2016 14:29:10 GMT 1
The overall cost of the white elephant, sorry, scheme was £250 million with a maximum contribution of £173.5 million being put in to the project by the Department for Transport. The council and Metro agreed a contribution of around £57 million but this would have still left a hole of around £20 million which Metro was hoping to raise by "extra sources of funding to the project".
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 15, 2016 18:08:46 GMT 1
The overall cost of the white elephant, sorry, scheme was £250 million with a maximum contribution of £173.5 million being put in to the project by the Department for Transport. The council and Metro agreed a contribution of around £57 million but this would have still left a hole of around £20 million which Metro was hoping to raise by "extra sources of funding to the project". The only thing Leeds city Council and Metro can do with £173 million is improve roads and existing bus services.
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Post by resolution on May 21, 2016 16:44:34 GMT 1
A victory for commonsense? In the sense that trolleybuses were a poor 20th century option for this line of route, probably so. In the sense that thousands and thousands of pounds have been spent trying to persuade people in London to allow any money at all to be spent for the benefit of people in Yorkshire, and that the upshot has been precisely NOTHING in 20 years, it's a national disgrace. The fact that a major obstacle has been that our third-world bus legislation allows a large private company to protect its own interests against those of the area as a whole merely accentuates that disgrace. Overall, commonsense has been conspicuous by its total absence from start to finish.
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Post by rwilkes on May 21, 2016 21:23:42 GMT 1
' our third-world bus legislation allows a large private company to protect its own interests against those of the area as a whole' Wrong. If you want multinationals to rip off the people go for franchising. Franchising costs more for a given level of bus services than what we have now. The problem is that LAs like Metro expect to ge the tendered network for too little.
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