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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 6, 2014 2:05:52 GMT 1
I don't quite understand why the rest of the county would protest to Leeds having this system. The city is the heart of the county and the whole city region, it has a population of 3/4 of a million and it needs a mass rapid transit system to continue growing as a financial powerhouse and be able stand proud on an international level (aiming to be capitol of culture by 2026), and currently congestion is strangling the city, clotting the arterial roads like cholesterol which will only lead to a break down of the system. What is the saying, that the city has 4 locations where an accident or a broken down car can cause gridlock through the city? Besides all these cars lead to Leeds having recorded on many occasions air pollution being twice over the legal limits so an all electric system can't be bad. We're no longer "the motorway city" of the 70's.
The whole city region has a greater GDP than 8 European union countries and needs to continue to grow and become as important as cities such as Hamburg or Barcelona... Unfortunately because of the way our government works (or at least used to work) we cannot currently have the mass rapid transit system we need and therefore they tried to design this one to work in an effective way. We're at that point where throwing tonnes of busses at the situation like First intend on doing isn't necessarily going to solve the problem. And as far as I can see from what I've read is that the council are hell bent on making the centre difficult to access by car (bus lanes and their cameras, closing lanes on the loop road, pedestrianisation of lady lane and Eastgate and meadow lane...) and promote the use of Park and Rides which are tied right into the trolleybus scheme and rail/bus networks. In an ideal world we would have a metro system, an integrated ticket system and quality bus contracts but we don't live in this world so we have to accept the compromise and embrace the change which as Britain's we are so naturally averse to.
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Post by rwilkes on Aug 6, 2014 9:03:56 GMT 1
What you say abt the economic importance of Leeds is correct, but for the cost of NGT we could have a very much better bus system for the whole of W Yorks. It doe snot matter how much money or importance you have it is always better to spend money wisely!
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 6, 2014 14:16:20 GMT 1
I don't quite understand why the rest of the county would protest to Leeds having this system. The city is the heart of the county and the whole city region, it has a population of 3/4 of a million and it needs a mass rapid transit system to continue growing as a financial powerhouse and be able stand proud on an international level (aiming to be capitol of culture by 2026), and currently congestion is strangling the city, clotting the arterial roads like cholesterol which will only lead to a break down of the system. What is the saying, that the city has 4 locations where an accident or a broken down car can cause gridlock through the city? Besides all these cars lead to Leeds having recorded on many occasions air pollution being twice over the legal limits so an all electric system can't be bad. We're no longer "the motorway city" of the 70's. The whole city region has a greater GDP than 8 European union countries and needs to continue to grow and become as important as cities such as Hamburg or Barcelona... Unfortunately because of the way our government works (or at least used to work) we cannot currently have the mass rapid transit system we need and therefore they tried to design this one to work in an effective way. We're at that point where throwing tonnes of busses at the situation like First intend on doing isn't necessarily going to solve the problem. And as far as I can see from what I've read is that the council are hell bent on making the centre difficult to access by car (bus lanes and their cameras, closing lanes on the loop road, pedestrianisation of lady lane and Eastgate and meadow lane...) and promote the use of Park and Rides which are tied right into the trolleybus scheme and rail/bus networks. In an ideal world we would have a metro system, an integrated ticket system and quality bus contracts but we don't live in this world so we have to accept the compromise and embrace the change which as Britain's we are so naturally averse to. There's more than Leeds to think about, there's the small towns and villiage to think about. Look at Batley & Dewsbury as two examples there starting to turn into ghosttowns and there's more bookies, pawnbrokers/jewellers and poundshops then there's other shops. In Batley all of the main street is owned by Tesco and no business can setup or stay in town coz of the rents from tesco. Dewsbury is similar although its London companies that own the premises and charge London rates, that and Kirklees council wont grow a pair and tackle them. I'd love to know how Kirklees council would force private companies to change their rent. Oh and I bet they're not charging London rates at all, just no one wants to set up in business in Dewsbury etc because there isn't the footfall.
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Post by casey123 on Aug 6, 2014 15:23:13 GMT 1
Guys, don't get drawn in. It is quite clear to me that "aysyklyt" is none other than "stb123" who caused all the grief about SGI / Station Coaches and was removed from the board. And then sprung up as "yorkshirebuses2014" spouting all sorts of rubbish, and was removed from the board. The style of language used is identical in all three members! All that will happen is that you will get sucked into a stupid argument and eventually "aysyklyt" will be removed and reappear under another name. Save yourselves the effort! Cheers
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Post by casey123 on Aug 6, 2014 15:28:49 GMT 1
I'm not getting drawn in!
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 6, 2014 15:32:37 GMT 1
I'm not getting drawn in! I am, its fun!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 6, 2014 17:28:15 GMT 1
Isn't it strange how all new members of this forum seem to be from the Dewsbury area and have a great interest in a certain poor quality bus operator, what a coincidence!
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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 7, 2014 0:05:27 GMT 1
I think you should end this dibarcle as it is not related to the topic of this thread. Although it is funny to read it's not the set decorum and you don't want the moderators to get involved. Thanks.
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Post by glennh2 on Aug 7, 2014 11:03:42 GMT 1
Think the main reason why the rest of the county would object to the scheme and the spend is they will get no benefit from it. My attitude living in Calderdale is the money would be better spent on Calder Vallley electrification and other wider projecta and if Leeds wants such a scheme Leeds City Council and the universities should fund it between them
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Post by pub146g on Aug 7, 2014 12:19:58 GMT 1
The same could be said for probably 80% or more of Leeds residents, if you don't live near the trolleybus route you don't benefit which is just one reason why I'm against it. It's not value for money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 19:22:05 GMT 1
Guys, don't get drawn in. It is quite clear to me that "aysyklyt" is none other than "stb123" who caused all the grief about SGI / Station Coaches and was removed from the board. And then sprung up as "yorkshirebuses2014" spouting all sorts of rubbish, and was removed from the board. The style of language used is identical in all three members! All that will happen is that you will get sucked into a stupid argument and eventually "aysyklyt" will be removed and reappear under another name. Save yourselves the effort! Cheers A simple check could be done surely by one of the admins checking an IP address on the post? If it is possible.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Aug 7, 2014 20:56:11 GMT 1
The same could be said for probably 80% or more of Leeds residents, if you don't live near the trolleybus route you don't benefit which is just one reason why I'm against it. It's not value for money. When the trolleybus route to St James was proposed a few years ago. When metro held an NGT booth at the Leeds Art gallery/Library. I wrote on the feedback form about the large chunk of east leeds that needs to be served. The route to st James, which really is Walkable in 15 to 20 minutes. It doesn't surprise me why DFT cancelled the st james routing, is not really feasible. Leeds Supertram would have been the piece de resistance of Leeds transport, but costs spiral, on proposal.
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Post by ianigsy on Aug 16, 2014 22:25:22 GMT 1
As an A660 commuter for some 16 years now I'm broadly positive but can't help feeling that there's a sense of doing anything being better than doing nothing. The trouble is that during the time that Supertram and now NGT have been on the drawing board, traffic volumes have been going up and the actual works will cause a significant amount of disruption over a long period of time. You only have to look at somewhere like Pool in Wharfedale, which has doubled in size in the last decade or so with new executive homes, but no longer has a through public transport connection to Leeds- so how are they all getting to work?
I get the impression that Metro are being led on by whatever funding happens to be dangled in front of them by central government- perhaps they have a surplus of project managers who need keeping in work- and that the structure of the PTE works against a big expensive Leeds-only project. When Manchester started with Metrolink, they had the railway alignments and from the start the trams were going out into the neighbouring authorities in Altrincham and Bury, so you had several council supporting and benefiting, not just the one. I've been impressed by transport in places like Nottingham and Wrexham, comparable in size with the likes of Bradford or Huddersfield, where you have one local authority involved and either taking a proactive role or ensuring a level playing field between independents and the big operators.
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Post by timelesstable on Oct 31, 2014 21:38:50 GMT 1
A public inquiry into a £250m trolleybus system for Leeds has ended. The six-month long hearing was into a proposed nine-mile (14.8km) route from the city centre to the north and south of the city. The Leeds New Generation Transport trolleybus system (NGT) is supported by Metro, the local transport authority and Leeds City Council. The inquiry inspector is expected to make his recommendations to the transport secretary by May www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-29855151
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Post by rst1987 on Jan 14, 2015 23:59:45 GMT 1
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Post by ratty on Jan 15, 2015 3:30:23 GMT 1
Well that gives the authority another 10 years then!! Seriously, I find it amazing that after all this time the darned 'system' is not up and running, in the last ten years how many miles of extra Metrolink have been opened in Greater Manchester? A hell of a lot, and yet in West Yorkshire the drawing board stage has not really been passed. Just a little note, I have a book called Ten Years of Metro, where trolleybuses were proclaimed as something of the future, so 1984 then? Mmmm 30 years to get this far, and that's not very far!!!
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Post by timelesstable on Mar 31, 2016 13:26:07 GMT 1
Watch: Plans for Leeds 'supertram' system could be resurrected Posted at 10:02 www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-leeds-35841632Could a tram system be back on the cards for Leeds? The West Yorkshire Combined Authority has commissioned a study looking at what kind of Metro system could work in Leeds. Keith Wakefield, chair of the Combined Authority's Transport Committee, has been speaking to Richard Stead on BBC Radio Leeds about the sort of ideas which will be discussed:
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Post by rst1987 on May 12, 2016 10:11:06 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on May 12, 2016 14:54:04 GMT 1
Do we need to change the name of this thread?
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Post by jdodger08 on May 12, 2016 16:45:35 GMT 1
So yet again the largest city in Europe without a modern rapid mass transit system is still going to struggle.
Why oh why they rejected the idea of having an elected mayor and more devoled powers from Westminster... They could have already took control of this locally
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Post by Craig on May 12, 2016 21:39:02 GMT 1
A victory for common sense.
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Post by davep on May 12, 2016 23:36:50 GMT 1
As someone who travels into Leeds every morning to work at St James Hospital and lives into Ossett I have two possible ways by car and try to park at work which is very hard to do, or the 217 at 7.30am and then catch any bus going up to StJames, I think everyone would agree that Leeds traffic levels at rush hour are at capacity and it doesn't take much for the centre of Leeds to become gridlocked morning or night, I feel that some form of integrated bus or tram system needs to happen before Leeds gets left behind, lets face it if Croyden and Nottingham can have trams sand dare I say Sheffield why can't Leeds, or does a certain bus company have the final say ........?
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Post by jdodger08 on May 13, 2016 18:50:58 GMT 1
Well it appears to me that Sheffield was given trams over Leeds... It's like the governments eyes do not see further than that! And the fact that Sheffield is a smaller city and they say because that struggled in the beginning that the FOURTH largest city in England would struggle just as bad.
Someone on here mentioned a H-Bahn or hanging train which would be less intrusive than any tram system as it hangs above the roads and streets. I say think big, think bold.
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Post by driver6540 on May 13, 2016 19:01:33 GMT 1
A victory for common sense. Seconded!
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Post by driver6540 on May 13, 2016 19:09:27 GMT 1
Well it appears to me that Sheffield was given trams over Leeds... It's like the governments eyes do not see further than that! And the fact that Sheffield is a smaller city and they say because that struggled in the beginning that the FOURTH largest city in England would struggle just as bad. Someone on here mentioned a H-Bahn or hanging train which would be less intrusive than any tram system as it hangs above the roads and streets. I say think big, think bold. Yes, and pay big as well. No real economic benefits (as proved). Makes more sense to think "practical", than think "bold". Sometime in the future when the economy may be better, maybe worth revisiting. But, at the moment, a victory for common sense.
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