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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 6, 2012 20:19:37 GMT 1
According to the Dalesbus website, there will be time changes to the Ilkley to Grassington 74 in the Spring and the same for the Skipton-Buckden via Grassington 72/R. This is due to the review into Craven services so I expect there will be a number of cut journeys and overcrowded Solo's during the summer! Revised timetable for 72Broadly the same service pattern, overall it looks like there are slight improvements rather than cut backs. One interesting change appears to be that all buses from Buckden to Skipton will run out to Hebden and back, giving Hebden an hourly service to Skipton during lunchtime and the early afternoon ... but that isn't replicated in the other direction, where buses will continue to run to Hebden or Buckden as they do now.
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Post by glennh2 on Mar 6, 2012 21:27:17 GMT 1
The 1710 is a 74 in the current timetable. Has that service suffered cutbacks?
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 6, 2012 22:37:54 GMT 1
The 1710 is a 74 in the current timetable. Has that service suffered cutbacks? I don't know, NYCC haven't published the new timetable for the 74 yet. I suspect the timetables have been rationalised so that buses running on the 72 stay on the 72 all day long, and likewise the 74, rather than swapping between routes as a couple of them do in the afternoon now. I would be surprised if there were any major changes to the 74.
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Post by the110 on Mar 7, 2012 8:59:46 GMT 1
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Post by yt03ayf on Mar 7, 2012 15:24:58 GMT 1
Few Intresting ones on here:
PB1064235/2 - M TRAVEL LTD T/A M TRAVEL LTD, 32, EDWARD STREET, NORMANTON, WF6 2QU Variation Accepted: Operating between Castleford Bus Station and Pontefract Bus Station given service number 134 effective from 28-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
PB1064235/16 - M TRAVEL LTD T/A M TRAVEL LTD, 32, EDWARD STREET, NORMANTON, WF6 2QU Variation Accepted: Operating between Airedale Magnet and Wakefield Bus Station given service number 183 effective from 30-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
PB1086413/3 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Variation Accepted: Operating between Barnsley Interchange and Barnsley Interchange given service number 14 effective from 29-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
PB1086413/11 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Variation Accepted: Operating between Barnsley Interchange and Barnsley Interchange given service number 18/96/96A/97 effective from 29-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
PB1086413/15 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Variation Accepted: Operating between Barnsley and Denby Dale given service number 23,24,494 effective from 29-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
PB1086413/20 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Variation Accepted: Operating between Doncaster and Wombwell given service number 203/202 effective from 29-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
PB1086413/26 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Registration Accepted Starting Point: Wakefield Finish Point: Pontefract Via: Normanton Service Number: 147 / 157 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 29-APR-2012 Other Details: Monday to Saturday
PB1086413/27 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Registration Accepted Starting Point: Barnsley Finish Point: Wakefield Via: Staincroft, Hall Green Service Number: 97 / 443 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 29-APR-2012 Other Details: Monday to Friday
PB1086413/28 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Registration Accepted Starting Point: Wakefield Finish Point: South Elmsall Via: Ackworth Service Number: 485 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 29-APR-2012 Other Details: Monday to Saturday Evenings and Sunday 2 hourly
PB1086413/30 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Registration Accepted Starting Point: Wakefield Finish Point: Hemsworth / Barnsley Via: New Crofton,Ryhill Service Number: 194 /195 / 196 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 29-APR-2012 Other Details: Monday to Saturday
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Post by X212HHE on Mar 7, 2012 17:29:19 GMT 1
So arriva didnt lose the evening/sunday tenders they lost them through the week on the 194/5/6
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Post by Matty on Mar 7, 2012 18:01:00 GMT 1
North Western Traffic Area, N&P, 02 Mar 2012: New Bus Registration Application
THE YORKSHIRE TRACTION CO LTD T/A STAGECOACH YORKSHIRE, UNIT 4, ELDON ARCADE , BARNSLEY S70 2JP, GB From: Wakefield To: Leeds Via: Name or No: 444 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 29-Apr-2012 Other Details: New Registration, on tender to Metro
THE YORKSHIRE TRACTION CO LTD T/A STAGECOACH YORKSHIRE, UNIT 4, ELDON ARCADE , BARNSLEY S70 2JP, GB From: Wakefield To: Bradford Via: Name or No: 425 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 29-Apr-2012 Other Details: New registration, on tender from Metro
THE YORKSHIRE TRACTION CO LTD T/A STAGECOACH YORKSHIRE, UNIT 4, ELDON ARCADE , BARNSLEY S70 2JP, GB From: Upton To: Pontefract Via: Name or No: 48 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 29-Apr-2012 Other Details: New Registration
THE YORKSHIRE TRACTION CO LTD T/A STAGECOACH YORKSHIRE, UNIT 4, ELDON ARCADE , BARNSLEY S70 2JP, GB Operating between Barnsley Interchange and Pontefract given service number 35/36 effective from 28-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
THE YORKSHIRE TRACTION CO LTD T/A STAGECOACH YORKSHIRE, UNIT 4, ELDON ARCADE , BARNSLEY S70 2JP, GB Operating between Barnsley Interchange and Pontefract given service number 46/47 effective from 28-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
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Post by malli on Mar 7, 2012 22:35:02 GMT 1
tates registrations now in but still subject to further change i am told ,let the battle commence.arriva did not want them ,and dont want them to do the same on there patch as they have done to barnsley .
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Post by Matty on Mar 7, 2012 22:45:32 GMT 1
Would like to see Tates dominate Wakefield, would be interesting.
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Post by yt03ayf on Mar 8, 2012 12:28:18 GMT 1
What have Tate's done to Barnsley malli ? Put about 30 buses on the road thats it.
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Post by malli on Mar 8, 2012 21:33:19 GMT 1
and cost stagecoach about 3 million pounds a year in lost revenue
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Post by kendall17 on Mar 8, 2012 22:40:59 GMT 1
£3mil? Really? On that basis Malli, do you know what LTD company Tates Travel operate under, since the 'Tates Travel Group Ltd' stated on their website, doesn't exist.
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Post by Matty on Mar 8, 2012 23:03:24 GMT 1
Says on VOSA..
Name: TATES TRAVEL LTD Trading names: TATES TRAVEL GROUP
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Post by SF07 on Mar 8, 2012 23:42:23 GMT 1
More changes from VOSA in the last couple of days:
PB0001746/3 - HARROGATE & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY Variation Accepted: Operating between Leeds City Bus Station and Ripon Bus Station given service number 36/36A effective from 29-Apr-2012. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PB1010181/65 - STEPHENSON'S OF EASINGWOLD LTD T/A STEPHENSON'S OF EASINGWOLD LTD, UNIT 16, MOOR LANE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, THOLTHORPE, YORK, YO61 1SR Variation Accepted: Operating between Helmsley Market Place and York College given service number 31/31X effective from 30-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
PB1010181/66 - STEPHENSON'S OF EASINGWOLD LTD T/A STEPHENSON'S OF EASINGWOLD LTD, UNIT 16, MOOR LANE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, THOLTHORPE, YORK, YO61 1SR Variation Accepted: Operating between York, Exhibition Square and Easingwold given service number 29 effective from 30-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
Keighley & District: *Cancellation: 78A, 663/664/665, 708, 711, 715, 716, 727/728/729, SS1 *Timetable: 65/66/66A/66C/67, 70, 79/80, 500, 704/705, 706/707, 710, 712/762/765, 717, 720, 760
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Post by Burnside on Mar 9, 2012 15:29:43 GMT 1
Presumably a replacement 663-5 application will be made?
Also, any clue why the 78A and SS1 are being cancelled?
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Post by yt03ayf on Mar 9, 2012 17:41:51 GMT 1
Malli Tate's don't cost Stagecoach anything like that, personally use Stagecoach. Much easiers when using a Day Rider.
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Post by LukePA on Mar 9, 2012 18:09:42 GMT 1
YT03 AYF, This section is for Service Changes not your opinion towards Tates. Also Tates have a good little network in Barnsley including commercial work and tender work.
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Post by northerner on Mar 9, 2012 20:54:28 GMT 1
Presumably a replacement 663-5 application will be made? Also, any clue why the 78A and SS1 are being cancelled? Thought the funding for the SS1 was being withdrawn hence the service being axed? Not sure about the 78A though, unless the proposed new route is to be renumbered
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Post by SF07 on Mar 9, 2012 20:58:23 GMT 1
From VOSA today:
PB1086413/15 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Variation Accepted: Operating between Barnsley and Denby Dale given service number 23,24,494 effective from 29-Apr-2012. To amend Timetable.
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Post by jc on Mar 9, 2012 21:25:20 GMT 1
Kind of like a little way out of our area but none the less it's near York so I'll put it in. The moorsbus network has been saved for the next 2 years and will be re-launched in a different format (maybe using existing daily services like they are part doing at present with the 5, 93 and 840) from 2014 as has been discussed on here, the operating days have been reduced to Sundays and bank holidays only. Because of the reduced days of operation I thought i'll do a bit of research and see if the winter only 199 from Helmsley (it's near york!) to Stoksley (it's still in Yorkshire!) would become an all year service and an interesting thing cropped up, Hutchinsons only have the contract until 15 April, who will get it after that and will it run all year (we need a excuse to call in sick dammit!) we shall have to wait, hope, pray, grovel and see. I recently had a rather fruitless interview with the manager of Visit York. He talked about how the tourist information service had been contracted out by the council, getting most funding from local businesses and how they had to give impartial advice to customers. So I asked about whether they were planning on working with Moorsbus, and the exchange went something like: 'But they're withdrawing that from next year, there's no point' 'I thought they were looking for more sources of funding' 'That's not what I've heard ... besides, most people will drive up there in their cars anyway' So who exactly is championing its cause I wonder.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 10, 2012 0:20:27 GMT 1
Kind of like a little way out of our area but none the less it's near York so I'll put it in. The moorsbus network has been saved for the next 2 years and will be re-launched in a different format (maybe using existing daily services like they are part doing at present with the 5, 93 and 840) from 2014 as has been discussed on here, the operating days have been reduced to Sundays and bank holidays only. Because of the reduced days of operation I thought i'll do a bit of research and see if the winter only 199 from Helmsley (it's near york!) to Stoksley (it's still in Yorkshire!) would become an all year service and an interesting thing cropped up, Hutchinsons only have the contract until 15 April, who will get it after that and will it run all year (we need a excuse to call in sick dammit!) we shall have to wait, hope, pray, grovel and see. I recently had a rather fruitless interview with the manager of Visit York. He talked about how the tourist information service had been contracted out by the council, getting most funding from local businesses and how they had to give impartial advice to customers. So I asked about whether they were planning on working with Moorsbus, and the exchange went something like: 'But they're withdrawing that from next year, there's no point' 'I thought they were looking for more sources of funding' 'That's not what I've heard ... besides, most people will drive up there in their cars anyway' So who exactly is championing its cause I wonder. When you compare how strong the Dalesbus brand is compared to Moorsbus, you have to wonder if a little help from the guys at tourist information would make Moorsbus as strong as Dalesbus. You only have to call in and walk around the timetables section at Leeds tourist info in the train station and you'll discover a number of visable posters about Dalesbus services as well as timetables and leaflets. More passenger numbers means more revenue meaning more organisations are willing to invest meaning even more services can be created meaning less cars clogging up the small narrow roads and towns meaning a more pleasant and attractive environment to visit. Now why can't this fella at York see that, might have to have a word with his manager next time I'm over that way.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 10, 2012 0:29:34 GMT 1
Presumably a replacement 663-5 application will be made? Also, any clue why the 78A and SS1 are being cancelled? Thought the funding for the SS1 was being withdrawn hence the service being axed? Not sure about the 78A though, unless the proposed new route is to be renumbered According to the proposals, the SS1 will be re-numbered 71 and will be reduced to a couple of journeys each way. I'd expect the new 78A to be operated by another operator as the proposed route for it dosen't go into Keighley, it'll stop at Airedale and turn back to Skipton. I'll expect to see somebody like Jacksons winning that contract, unless K&D will be running a service what connects with the revised 78A commercially at Airedale.
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Post by northerner on Mar 10, 2012 10:55:12 GMT 1
Keighley appear to be losing a lot of work from next month, although when Harrogate and Lancashire have lost work recently they have increased frequencies and introduced new services. As a result, I wouldn't be surprised if a service was introduced to only operate between Keighley and Airedale Hospital to maintain the current 30 minute frequency
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Post by Burnside on Mar 10, 2012 13:39:20 GMT 1
Or the 66 rerouted into the grounds.
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Post by jc on Mar 10, 2012 15:43:42 GMT 1
When you compare how strong the Dalesbus brand is compared to Moorsbus, you have to wonder if a little help from the guys at tourist information would make Moorsbus as strong as Dalesbus. You only have to call in and walk around the timetables section at Leeds tourist info in the train station and you'll discover a number of visable posters about Dalesbus services as well as timetables and leaflets. More passenger numbers means more revenue meaning more organisations are willing to invest meaning even more services can be created meaning less cars clogging up the small narrow roads and towns meaning a more pleasant and attractive environment to visit. Now why can't this fella at York see that, might have to have a word with his manager next time I'm over that way. Apparently there used to be a tourist information centre at York station. The one at St Leonards Place was a bit out of the way, but really the current site at Blake St/Museum St could easily be missed if for some crazy reason you weren't making a beeline for the Minster on arrival - as per a comment on York Press 'try explaining that to a Japanese tourist'. It's fair to say that Leeds has a larger home catchment than York, where most visitors will have travelled from further afield complete with own transport (I think Mr Fusco mentioned something to that effect), but it's no excuse for doing nothing.
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