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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 9, 2017 9:14:34 GMT 1
Outwardly, the operation always seemed ok for an independent, the fleet was generally repainted in their livery, which for an independent operating double deckers isn't always a given.
The reasons given a few posts above are hardly a damning summary
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Apr 9, 2017 10:40:30 GMT 1
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Post by adam on Apr 9, 2017 10:40:30 GMT 1
This means a mad scramble to get all the school services covered then as they operate quite a lot. As someone else said the public buses mostly seem to be duplicated by Arriva
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 9, 2017 13:46:57 GMT 1
Done a bit of asking around on the bus scene myself and from what I can gather, although this isn't gospel, the founder owner retired and passed the business on to other family members to run it, I'm assuming he still has the business registered in his name but doesn't actually run it. This isn't actual fact, only belief, so I may be wrong.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 9, 2017 14:34:08 GMT 1
According to my lists, these are the services operated
30 Pontefract - South Elmsall - Hemsworth 30A Pontefract - South Elmsall - Hemsworth 39 Pontefract - South Elmsall - Hemsworth 39A Pontefract - South Elmsall - Hemsworth 49 Pontefract - Ackworth Circular 134 Castleford - Junction 32 Outlet Village - Pontefract - Chequerfield 183 Wakefield - Normanton - Castleford - Junction 32 Outlet - Pontefract 249 Upton - South Elmsall - Hemsworth - Pontefract - Castleford 487 Knottingley - Pontefract - Chequerfield Circular 488 Knottingley - Pontefract - Chequerfield Circular 489 Pontefract - Chequerfield Circular
003S Tadcaster Grammar School - Monk Fryston 249A Minsthorpe Community College - Upton Brecon 500 Hemsworth High School - Newstead - Havercroft Green 501 Hemsworth High School - Newstead - Brooklands Crescent 502 Hemsworth High School - Newstead - Brooklands Crescent 527 Garforth Academy - Swillington - Astley 531 Hemsworth High School/Carleton HS - Fitzwilliam Hotel 544 Kings High School East Hardwick 563 Minsthorpe Community College - South Kirby 575 Rodillian School - Rothwell Wood Lane Estate 575A Rodillian School - Rothwell Wood Lane Estate 582 St Wilfrids High School/Freeston Academy - Normanton - Altofts 583 Pontefract New College - Whitwood 606 St Wilfrids High School - Knottingley Womersley Road 610 St Wilfrids High School/Carleton HS - Upton - South Elmsall - Westfield Hotel 611 St Wilfrids High School - South Kirkby - Minsthorpe Lane 612 St Wilfrids High School/Minsthorpe - South Kirkby - Minsthorpe 613 St Wilfrids High School - Whitwood 916 Royds School - Lower Mickletown 918 Brigshaw High School - Pinfold Ln/Lwr Mickletown 919 Brigshaw High School - Castleford - Methley 920 Brigshaw High School - Oulton L02 Castleford Academy - Cutsyke Cross Roads L14 Royds School - Hunslet District Centre L15 Royds School - Hunslet District Centre L17 Royds School - Rothwell Wakefield Road X64 Garforth Academy - Aberford
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Apr 9, 2017 15:36:25 GMT 1
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Post by mutty on Apr 9, 2017 15:36:25 GMT 1
Done a bit of asking around on the bus scene myself and from what I can gather, although this isn't gospel, the founder owner retired and passed the business on to other family members to run it, I'm assuming he still has the business registered in his name but doesn't actually run it. This isn't actual fact, only belief, so I may be wrong. The 2 people mentioned in the article as to being banned, are the 2 registered as directors at companies house
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Apr 9, 2017 20:07:23 GMT 1
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Post by dimmock87 on Apr 9, 2017 20:07:23 GMT 1
What is the likelihood of them appealing?
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 9, 2017 20:30:33 GMT 1
That is a question you would need to ask the owners as any decision to appeal would be taken by themselves and their legal representatives(if they used such a person) after the evidence produced by both sides at the original hearing is reviewed.
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Post by dimmock87 on Apr 10, 2017 18:08:12 GMT 1
They seemed to be running like normal today as if nothings happened. But then most of the alx400s I ve seen today did nt look that cracking
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 10, 2017 19:55:21 GMT 1
In theory nothing has happened and will not happen until 29th April 2017. As my previous posting stated if an appeal is submitted then nothing will happen until the result of the appeal is announced. If no appeal is submitted the operation will finish on the 29th April.
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Post by mk2mcw on Apr 10, 2017 19:59:06 GMT 1
In theory nothing has happened and will not happen until 29th April 2017. As my previous posting stated if an appeal is submitted then nothing will happen until the result of the appeal is announced. If no appeal is submitted the operation will finish on the 29th April. the licence isn't revoked until 29th april so it gives them time to wind down the company or prepar an appeal (if they want to) a company is usually only taken off the road straight away if its something REALLY serious like UK north buses.
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Apr 10, 2017 20:13:16 GMT 1
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Post by dimmock87 on Apr 10, 2017 20:13:16 GMT 1
I hope some1 comes in and buys the current ownership out or somet to that effect. Not sayin their the best but it's a cheap alternative to arriva and if some1 were to come in with an o licence maybe rebrand the company change livery etc it wud make a fresh new start for a company with a growing bad rep
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 10, 2017 23:14:58 GMT 1
Given that the problem appears to be maintenance then any new owners would need a "pot of cash" to either bring the current vehicles upto an acceptable standard or replace the current fleet. Either way an somewhat expensive excercise.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:40:58 GMT 1
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Post by dimmock87 on Apr 16, 2017 21:40:58 GMT 1
I think they might hav started to selling off process already cos their yard looks a few buses light compared to usually
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Post by hstjohnny on Apr 25, 2017 11:47:37 GMT 1
Any idea if they've appealed?
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 25, 2017 14:55:13 GMT 1
A full service was being operated on the routes in and out of Castleford bus station this morning between 1100 and 1200 including the red double decker. Not many people on board though and the vehicles needed a wash. A quick enquiry at the Metro desk as to who, if anybody, was replacing the service was met with a blank look and a question? "Are M Line stopping running buses then". It was to much to try to explain to them.
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 26, 2017 15:54:22 GMT 1
The is nothing on the Metro website about alternate operations or operators on the M Travel routes from this weekend. The timetables show M Travel as the only operator. A Google search using the phrase "Pontefract bus operator closing" gives no results either. Perhaps they have appealed.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 26, 2017 17:00:13 GMT 1
Supposing they didn't bother informing Metro they were closing, and the company completely went out of business selling everything off, what would Metro be able to do? They can't fine M Travel or take them to court for breach of contract if the company no longer exists but could they sue the actual owners?
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 26, 2017 18:46:40 GMT 1
I agree with your comments but I would have thought that "rumour control" would have certainly picked up the story by now. Details were posted in notice and proceedings at the beginning of April which Metro certainly would subside to or read on line. Also if the staff were aware of the impending closure some or possibly all would have "jumped ship" to secure jobs elsewhere resulting a lack of services well before the closure date.
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 26, 2017 18:51:06 GMT 1
Supposing they didn't bother informing Metro they were closing, and the company completely went out of business selling everything off, what would Metro be able to do? They can't fine M Travel or take them to court for breach of contract if the company no longer exists but could they sue the actual owners? Depends on what is in the tender agreements about liability. Also, i imagine Metro could withold payments due for failing to run some contracts.
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Post by Craig on Apr 26, 2017 20:49:50 GMT 1
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Post by 69340 on Apr 26, 2017 21:32:51 GMT 1
I wonder what will happen to the other services m travel run for example 30/30a/39/39a
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 26, 2017 22:01:13 GMT 1
I wonder what will happen to the other services m travel run for example 30/30a/39/39a There's not a lot there that isn't already covered better by other operators. The little villages of Thorpe Audlin and East Hardwick look like they are the only places that will be losing out altogether, and a couple of roads around Moorthorpe and South Elmsall (although they do have other services nearby). With only 4–5 journeys a day on the 30/30A/39/39A (I can't actually find any trace of 30A or 39A on the current timetables), they were not a major player in the area, and the core journeys between Pontefract, Hemsworth and South Elmsall can easily be made on the BL Travel 249 among others.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 26, 2017 22:11:42 GMT 1
That was a newly introduced tendered service, so no reason why it will just disappear. I expect they'll approach the second place bidder. According to the metro website there were 7 bids for that so they will be spoilt for choice.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 26, 2017 22:15:10 GMT 1
From a friend
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 26, 2017 22:48:51 GMT 1
I would have thought that the only services that Metro would arrange cover would be those operated under a tender arrangement. Anything operated commercially would finish at the end of the last shift without cover being arranged because the operator takes the risk on such a route. No doubt it will cause inconvenience and more money to some passengers who use the M Travel commercial service and are now forced to use another operator.
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