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Post by hfx on Oct 13, 2007 17:15:24 GMT 1
Noted at Huddersfield bus station today (13/10/07) between 12.30 and 13.00. First Huddersfield Plaxton Pointer SPD 60938 (R726HHK) operating the 312. First Huddersfield Northern Counties Olympian (J129YRM) operating the 314. First Huddersfield Plaxton Verde 60974 (M436VWW) operating the 310. As can be seen the Holmfirth group of services had very few of the Royals operating them. Instead a mixture of old double and single deckers. Not really a misallocation but K-Lines Plaxton Centro (YE06HRX) was operating the 301/302 instead of its normal 242 route as this does not run at weekends. David.c I saw B10B strider's on 310-316 group. I also noted a Royale on service 324 (30824). Also noted another on the 328.
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Post by Davidc on Oct 13, 2007 17:20:21 GMT 1
Thanks for that hfx. I noted both 66791 and 66792 on the 363 today working one service after the other.
A Royale on the 328, now that is wrong.
David.c
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Post by hfx on Oct 13, 2007 17:27:20 GMT 1
Well on 328 I stood outside Sainsbury's on Market street...waiting for a friend. I ended up waiting an hour nearly and this what I saw: 1st 328 A dennis lance 2nd 328 Volvo Citi Bus 3rd 328 the Dennis Dart SLF (pointer '1', corporate) 4th Volvo Alexander RH 5th a Volvo B10B Now that is no where like a B7RLE Lime Line branded Route. I'm also thinking some B7RLEs are missing from Huddersfield. Seen a few of them on 576 all this week.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 13, 2007 18:17:17 GMT 1
Thanks for that hfx. I noted both 66791 and 66792 on the 363 today working one service after the other. A Royale on the 328, now that is wrong. David.c 66791/2 are on the 363 everyday. They have guide wheels fitted especially for the service, so how can it be a misallocation? Also there aren't enough Royales for the Holmfirth Connection so other vehicles appear on here every day
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Post by hfx on Oct 13, 2007 18:28:47 GMT 1
What's the PVR for the Holmfirth Connection then?
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Post by hfx on Oct 13, 2007 18:33:38 GMT 1
Thanks for that hfx. I noted both 66791 and 66792 on the 363 today working one service after the other. A Royale on the 328, now that is wrong. David.c 66791/2 are on the 363 everyday. They have guide wheels fitted especially for the service, so how can it be a misallocation? Also there aren't enough Royales for the Holmfirth Connection so other vehicles appear on here every day Most of the Days but not Everyday. and some Sundays they aren't even out. Also sometimes, there can be 5 Geminis and 1 Urban, or all Geminis. And the odd one/or two out of 66791/92 can then be seen on other routes.
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Post by Davidc on Oct 13, 2007 20:50:13 GMT 1
Thanks for that hfx. I noted both 66791 and 66792 on the 363 today working one service after the other. A Royale on the 328, now that is wrong. David.c 66791/2 are on the 363 everyday. They have guide wheels fitted especially for the service, so how can it be a misallocation? Also there aren't enough Royales for the Holmfirth Connection so other vehicles appear on here every day Yes I know now that 66791/92 are fitted with guide wheels for use on the 363 but I only found this out a few days ago plus they dont always operate this route. This week I have seen them operating on the 301/302 (Yellow Line) and the 370/371 (Red Line). Would this be classed as a misallocation then if they are intended for use on the 363? I know other vehicles do operate the Holmfirth Connection service everyday due to there being not enough Royales but today there was more then normal. In the hour and half I sat out side Hudd bus station today I sore a total of 2 Royales working on these services. The rest were older buses. David.c
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 13, 2007 20:59:16 GMT 1
66791/2 are on the 363 everyday. They have guide wheels fitted especially for the service, so how can it be a misallocation? Also there aren't enough Royales for the Holmfirth Connection so other vehicles appear on here every day Yes I know now that 66791/92 are fitted with guide wheels for use on the 363 but I only found this out a few days ago plus they dont always operate this route. This week I have seen them operating on the 301/302 (Yellow Line) and the 370/371 (Red Line). Would this be classed as a misallocation then if they are intended for use on the 363? no as those routes are supposed to have unbranded eclipse urbans on them It would probably be better if Huddersfield could have 32509/10 back, but Halifax would then be short. Halifax need some more for the Green Line as well as I'm sure capacity must be an issue on there since it went majority single deck Also Huddersfield should have Halifax's remaining Royales. The 579 could run with Olympians
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Post by deano on Oct 13, 2007 22:24:30 GMT 1
halifax and huddersfield arnt very organised unlike bradford... thats probably why the merge alot ...
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Post by deano on Oct 13, 2007 22:26:15 GMT 1
have u seen that picture on www.westyorkshirebuses.freeserve.co.uk?a 576 branded bus running on the x6 whats going on there? for a start off its an halifax bus. and bradford have got anough buses to cover the X6 havent there?
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Post by hfx on Oct 13, 2007 23:37:15 GMT 1
It was daft enough for them to transfer all of the 503 operation to Halifax, which meant the 4 geminis 32509/10/35/36 all went. Now had it been the way it was, it would have been better in that Huddersfield would always (at least) leave 32535/32536 and then even one other of 32509/10 spare for 503. And then add the 4 gems from halifax, that takes it to 6 or 7 in total. Now to fill up the gap Huddersfield would then use their Volvo B7RLEs. Now if you compare 503 to 363, the 363 runs every 20 minutes and if single turns up things could go worse. If a 503 was opearted like this 6/7 buses being doubles at every 10 minutes and included one single B7RLE, I'm sure it wouldn't build up extra ppl. A double would be likely turn up after 20 minutes, if not the 10.
About investment, Halifax and Huddersfield should have waited rather longer and should have made a slightly bigger investment to include a couple of more gemini's. Their only problem is that they have just enough buses for each route, but NO spares. The Green line should have been converted in part using Volvo B7RLEs for some services and Volvo Olympians for others. Getting 6 geminis and then filling up the rest with Singles is certainly not a good idea. Why not just draft in some second hand ALX400s and let the gems act as spares for other routes. Or why not swap over B7RLE's for Geminis with say First Leeds or something....
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Post by hfx on Oct 13, 2007 23:43:55 GMT 1
have u seen that picture on www.westyorkshirebuses.freeserve.co.uk?a 576 branded bus running on the x6 whats going on there? for a start off its an halifax bus. and bradford have got anough buses to cover the X6 havent there? In August, I saw one X6 Gemini 37056 on 363. It had the 'still' destination display showing '363 Huddersfield via Brighouse' (like the X6 displays). That to date has been the rarest misallocation of 363 that I can think of.
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Post by deano on Oct 14, 2007 0:00:57 GMT 1
first are weird haha... i think the rarest was the 662 shuttle on the 760 route on friday i couldnt believe that keighley and district are really strict with allocating buses to routes
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Post by jackh on Oct 14, 2007 8:02:37 GMT 1
Well true as it is, but you can often find ex Lancashire United B10BLEs on some of The Zone routes while TransBus MPDs are often found on the 78A and the 720 services which are not part of The Zone.
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Post by jackh on Oct 14, 2007 8:06:51 GMT 1
have u seen that picture on www.westyorkshirebuses.freeserve.co.uk?a 576 branded bus running on the x6 whats going on there? for a start off its an halifax bus. and bradford have got anough buses to cover the X6 havent there? If you clicked on the link below the slideshow of pictures to the fotopic. It will James's from Halifax who is obsessed with Geminis and probably requested the driver to change the destination to show X6.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 14, 2007 12:44:17 GMT 1
have u seen that picture on www.westyorkshirebuses.freeserve.co.uk?a 576 branded bus running on the x6 whats going on there? for a start off its an halifax bus. and bradford have got anough buses to cover the X6 havent there? In August, I saw one X6 Gemini 37056 on 363. It had the 'still' destination display showing '363 Huddersfield via Brighouse' (like the X6 displays). That to date has been the rarest misallocation of 363 that I can think of. Where is this photo?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 14, 2007 12:51:54 GMT 1
It was daft enough for them to transfer all of the 503 operation to Halifax, which meant the 4 geminis 32509/10/35/36 all went. Now had it been the way it was, it would have been better in that Huddersfield would always (at least) leave 32535/32536 and then even one other of 32509/10 spare for 503. And then add the 4 gems from halifax, that takes it to 6 or 7 in total. Now to fill up the gap Huddersfield would then use their Volvo B7RLEs. Now if you compare 503 to 363, the 363 runs every 20 minutes and if single turns up things could go worse. If a 503 was opearted like this 6/7 buses being doubles at every 10 minutes and included one single B7RLE, I'm sure it wouldn't build up extra ppl. A double would be likely turn up after 20 minutes, if not the 10. About investment, Halifax and Huddersfield should have waited rather longer and should have made a slightly bigger investment to include a couple of more gemini's. Their only problem is that they have just enough buses for each route, but NO spares. The Green line should have been converted in part using Volvo B7RLEs for some services and Volvo Olympians for others. Getting 6 geminis and then filling up the rest with Singles is certainly not a good idea. Why not just draft in some second hand ALX400s and let the gems act as spares for other routes. Or why not swap over B7RLE's for Geminis with say First Leeds or something.... They only get what FirstGroup let them have, wanting new buses to act as spares is not a good enough business case for central management. Also modern double deckers can't fit in Todmorden depot so they either have to use single decks or build a new depot in Todmorden. All the routes 590-4 interwork so they can't allocate double decks to specific routes
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Post by deano on Oct 14, 2007 14:46:33 GMT 1
Well true as it is, but you can often find ex Lancashire United B10BLEs on some of The Zone routes while TransBus MPDs are often found on the 78A and the 720 services which are not part of The Zone. well yes you are right but the ex-lancashire buses have now been repainted into keighley and district colours and the 720,78A,727 use the zone buses because there only have one-non-zone midibus
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Post by jabbott1987 on Oct 14, 2007 15:08:54 GMT 1
Why does Halfax have the X6 destination on when it is not run by hailfax it's bradford. Nor is the 363 run by bradford that's huddersfield.
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Post by jackh on Oct 14, 2007 15:40:06 GMT 1
Why does Halfax have the X6 destination on when it is not run by hailfax it's bradford. Nor is the 363 run by bradford that's huddersfield. Are we on about James' fotopic site, let me explain again, that boy is obsessed with Wright buses and probably got the driver to change the destination to show "X6 Leeds via...". Put it on his site to make it look as thought Bradford was borrowing it.
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Post by jabbott1987 on Oct 14, 2007 15:52:29 GMT 1
does anyone know why a new gemini and the elmhurst both from cherry parked in the parking part of leeds bus station yesterday they were there all day.
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Post by deano on Oct 14, 2007 19:04:41 GMT 1
yhh i saw them too
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Post by jackh on Oct 15, 2007 21:44:05 GMT 1
15/10/2007: FWY 66712 on the 51, seen on Stonegate Road, Leeds.
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Post by Davidc on Oct 15, 2007 23:40:12 GMT 1
Got one misallocation from today tho its nothing special and happens quite often.
First Huddersfield Plaxton Verde Dennis Lance 60951 operating on route 311. Well it was till it broke down in the center of Huddersfield this afternoon out side Sainsburys blocking the road. Thankfully it was a short distance away from the lights and traffic was able to get past using the bus stop area used by the 328. Buses on the 328 had to pull into the bus stop as normal before reversing to the far end of the parking area. This left a gap between this bus and the broken down bus. This gap was tight for buses which had to edge slowly through it before having to do the same again between the broken down bus and the traffic lights. I have pics of this madness which I hope to get onto my fotopic site tomorrow.
One other thing from today was route 363 which and some unusual routes being taken by the buses. I sore one Gemini heading up to the ring road past the exit to the bus station having already left the bus station earlier heading towards the center, all of which while in service. And another Gemini was being taken back to the depot by a fitter. The route seemed to be a little disorganised today.
One final thing, First Huddersfield Wright Urban Volvo 66738 was operating route 313 to Holmfirth.
David.c
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Post by jackh on Oct 16, 2007 14:09:28 GMT 1
16/10/2007
FWY 66709/10 both on the 51.
I also noticed a ftr going northbound on the M1 towards Leeds.
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