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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 13, 2016 20:55:53 GMT 1
Another heritage livery in this fleet is OmniCity 9936UB which is in the livery of Harrogate Independent Travel who traded as Challenger around 30 years ago. Basically it's just had blue skirt panels added to the all white base colour along with the Harrogate Independent Travel name under the windows. Can't see the point in that when they have no connection at all to that previous operator, and they were fairly short lived in the first place.
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Post by SCH117X on May 13, 2016 21:18:51 GMT 1
Another heritage livery in this fleet is OmniCity 9936UB which is in the livery of Harrogate Independent Travel who traded as Challenger around 30 years ago. Basically it's just had blue skirt panels added to the all white base colour along with the Harrogate Independent Travel name under the windows. Can't see the point in that when they have no connection at all to that previous operator, and they were fairly short lived in the first place. Presumably Transdev are hoping history repeats itself! Serious though their fleet is getting pretty ropy in terms of fleet livery with all manner of liveries turning up - blue, red, white, Bullocks, and occasionally green and white it seems. Paying attention to destis as well might be useful, a number are that faint they are unlegible from any reasonable distance. You could also argue that the West Yorkshire liveried vehicle also has no connection with them either.
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Post by kendall17 on May 13, 2016 21:48:01 GMT 1
Can't see the point in that when they have no connection at all to that previous operator, and they were fairly short lived in the first place. Presumably Transdev are hoping history repeats itself! Serious though their fleet is getting pretty ropy in terms of fleet livery with all manner of liveries turning up - blue, red, white, Bullocks, and occasionally green and white it seems. Paying attention to destis as well might be useful, a number are that faint they are unlegible from any reasonable distance. You could also argue that the West Yorkshire liveried vehicle also has no connection with them either. I get the feeling that the 'heritage' liveries are repaints on the cheap. The WY liveried one was purchased in red, easy to throw a white line down it and claim it a heritage livery. Same with the HIT. Must admit their fleet has taken a downturn in appearances, but with so many additions in a short space of time, it's understandable.
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Post by SCH117X on May 14, 2016 17:44:47 GMT 1
S400SLT broke down just outside Pool today on a X52; I presume it was the 1530 from Harrogate. Passengers were being transferred onto TLCs 1610 LBA-Otley when I passed by.
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Post by pub146g on Jun 11, 2016 13:19:10 GMT 1
Scania L94 S574TPW appears to have had "THE Harrogate Bus Company" added on the nearside above the entrance.
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Post by WYBS on Jun 11, 2016 19:22:07 GMT 1
Scania L94 S574TPW appears to have had "THE Harrogate Bus Company" added on the nearside above the entrance. Hmm, I wonder where Transdev stand legally with that new name. Do H&D own the copyright to it and if so could they take action against Connexions who are clearly taking the p!ss?
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jun 11, 2016 22:08:57 GMT 1
Scania L94 S574TPW appears to have had "THE Harrogate Bus Company" added on the nearside above the entrance. Hmm, I wonder where Transdev stand legally with that new name. Do H&D own the copyright to it and if so could they take action against Connexions who are clearly taking the p!ss? If anything it would be the other way round, as Craig has registered 'Harrogate Bus Company' as a company.
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Post by WYBS on Jun 11, 2016 22:17:05 GMT 1
Hmm, I wonder where Transdev stand legally with that new name. Do H&D own the copyright to it and if so could they take action against Connexions who are clearly taking the p!ss? If anything it would be the other way round, as Craig has registered 'Harrogate Bus Company' as a company. Didn't know that, just assumed that their legal name would be 'Harrogate Coach Travel' or 'Connexions'. Although they are obviously still doing it in response to Transdev.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 11, 2016 22:50:27 GMT 1
Indeed, Connexions dropped reference to Harrogate in their fleet name years ago when they stopped using the Harrogate Coach Travel name. Considering how they keep saying they are local and not a foreign firm (their words) they could have used the word Harrogate in their name, so it's pretty obvious why they've suddenly decided to do so now.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 12, 2016 0:35:39 GMT 1
That's rather cheeky, with the new company having been registered a few weeks after the new Transdev branding was revealed.
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 12, 2016 10:32:52 GMT 1
Of course it will really meaningful on the 8, 13, 38, Otley local services, etc.
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Post by pub146g on Jun 12, 2016 11:16:40 GMT 1
Of course it will really meaningful on the 8, 13, 38, Otley local services, etc. Yes that's true, maybe that was the reasoning behind introducing the Connextions name in the first place, to have a more generic sounding title which makes more sense for a bus being used on (for example) Seacroft-Horsforth. Anyway I don't know how many have got "THE Harrogate Bus Company" name, I've only seen one so far, maybe only a few will receive it and stay on Harrogate routes? We haven't seen a green Connextions bus on the 8 very much in recent times, the two usual buses are the 53 plate all red Omnicity and the all white Solar YN05GXB. It's about a year now since GXA/C/D/E were painted into fleet colours.
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Post by titan1641 on Jun 12, 2016 11:44:00 GMT 1
That's rather cheeky, with the new company having been registered a few weeks after the new Transdev branding was revealed. Another example of Connexions throwing their toys out of their pram over Transdev extending the 762. Anyone would think they can't handle competition. I contacted them via Twitter about this a while ago when they started playing around with their desti blinds with messages after the 762 extension and was instantly blocked for asking why they felt Transdev was such a threat.
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 12, 2016 12:12:54 GMT 1
I doubt registering the name as a company allows them use of it as the branding on a bus; if Transdev can prove they have the brand name then Connexwhatever cannot use it. Anyone could for example set up a firm making model racing cars called Scalextric of Wherever Ltd but could not use the Scalextric brand name. If Connexwhatever can use then on the bright side we might get Harroagte & Disrict fleet names backs. Meanwhile if Connexwhatever do carry on with it I can imagine a lot of passengers thinking Transdev have taken them over.
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 12, 2016 12:38:16 GMT 1
It would have to be a registered trademark to stop anyone using it.
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 12, 2016 14:52:06 GMT 1
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Post by WYBS on Jun 12, 2016 19:34:55 GMT 1
So connexions have registered that name in the past few weeks, after it was announced that Transdev would be using it? Surely Transdev's legal team (or whatever they are called) must have trademarked it first, they are not stupid.
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 12, 2016 22:00:42 GMT 1
So connexions have registered that name in the past few weeks, after it was announced that Transdev would be using it? Surely Transdev's legal team (or whatever they are called) must have trademarked it first, they are not stupid. No one has registered it. It's not going to have too much effect on their business really is it?
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 16, 2016 10:44:32 GMT 1
One of the green and white Omnicities has now been inflicted with the Bus Co branding. Interesting late am peak return trip to Knaresborough this morning - in both directions a pair of X1s were only around 5 mins apart (the West Yorks and HIT vehicles) with a far longer gap after them than a 15 min interval service should have and together with the Bus Co Omnicity the five workings seen had no more than 10 passengers between them. Meanwhile Transdevs vehicles were noticeably fuller. The only other green and white vehicle seen (another Omnicity) was on a X70 and still branded as Harrogate Coach Travel. The other vehicles seen were both running not in service - the blue and white solo with Connexions branding following the X70 and the Bullocks liveried unbranded double decker. A bit more time spent painting would be more appropriate than playing with vinyl stickers. Any one who did not know would think the vehicles nearly all belonged to a different operators.
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 16, 2016 13:03:39 GMT 1
So connexions have registered that name in the past few weeks, after it was announced that Transdev would be using it? Surely Transdev's legal team (or whatever they are called) must have trademarked it first, they are not stupid. No one has registered it. It's not going to have too much effect on their business really is it? There are company names HARROGATE BUS COMPANY LIMITED 10111817 - Incorporated on 8 April 2016 Unit3 Southfield Lane, Tockwith, York, YO26 7QP HARROGATE AND DISTRICT BUS COMPANY LIMITED 10111586 - Incorporated on 7 April 2016 Unit 3 Southfield Lane, Tockwith, York, YO26 7QP Meanwhile Transdev have applied for a trade mark www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00003169766
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Post by biroguy on Jun 16, 2016 13:39:36 GMT 1
I doubt registering the name as a company allows them use of it as the branding on a bus; if Transdev can prove they have the brand name then Connexwhatever cannot use it. Anyone could for example set up a firm making model racing cars called Scalextric of Wherever Ltd but could not use the Scalextric brand name. If Connexwhatever can use then on the bright side we might get Harroagte & Disrict fleet names backs. Meanwhile if Connexwhatever do carry on with it I can imagine a lot of passengers thinking Transdev have taken them over. I think passengers will soon suss out`s not a Transdev service when they climb aboard, we have connexions whatever running the 38 in Leeds, tatty old Scania`s echoes of 1986 and the old bangers that flooded or routes back then. Quite a contrast to the newer smart Tiger buses.
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 16, 2016 16:03:19 GMT 1
No one has registered it. It's not going to have too much effect on their business really is it? There are company names HARROGATE BUS COMPANY LIMITED 10111817 - Incorporated on 8 April 2016 Unit3 Southfield Lane, Tockwith, York, YO26 7QP HARROGATE AND DISTRICT BUS COMPANY LIMITED 10111586 - Incorporated on 7 April 2016 Unit 3 Southfield Lane, Tockwith, York, YO26 7QP Meanwhile Transdev have applied for a trade mark www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00003169766Ah at last someone has applied for it. Can't see why it wouldn't go through. Get the hairdryer out Craig and those vinyls off. On another note, can we stop the whinging about the use of ex first Scanias. They meet regulations so people should be grateful of the bus turning up.
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Post by biroguy on Jun 16, 2016 22:09:16 GMT 1
Well I didn`t think 1990`s Scania`s would still be at work in Leeds in 2016 whether with First or anyone else for that matter. time they went for scrap, they were good buses in their day but regardless of regulations they need to be ditched off Leeds city services.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jun 17, 2016 6:11:53 GMT 1
Why? They just need a deep clean and bit of an internal refurb, it's a dam sight cheaper for the passenger than buying in a load of new stock! I'm fed up with paying out more for fares each year, about time they made do with what they have and save the passengers some money for a change!
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