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Post by deerfold on Nov 21, 2023 20:32:03 GMT 1
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Nov 21, 2023 23:57:41 GMT 1
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 21, 2023 23:57:41 GMT 1
this is the first year that the M4's not run on Boxing Day.
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Nov 22, 2023 8:15:36 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Nov 22, 2023 8:15:36 GMT 1
this is the first year that the M4's not run on Boxing Day. Did it run any further than the M5 will, this year?
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Nov 22, 2023 10:49:56 GMT 1
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 22, 2023 10:49:56 GMT 1
this is the first year that the M4's not run on Boxing Day. Did it run any further than the M5 will, this year? yes it used to run to keighley and was part of the airedale general services.
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Post by leedsbusman on Nov 22, 2023 11:26:09 GMT 1
Did it run any further than the M5 will, this year? yes it used to run to keighley and was part of the airedale general services. The M4 has not run on Boxing Day as long as I can remember.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 22, 2023 11:38:10 GMT 1
Did it run any further than the M5 will, this year? yes it used to run to keighley and was part of the airedale general services. Not since I've lived on its route (this'll be my 16th Boxing Day). All I've ever known is the 66 doing Keighley - Airedale Hospital Loop - Keighley for 6 hours (most routes do 8 hours).
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 22, 2023 19:36:23 GMT 1
this is the first year that the M4's not run on Boxing Day. Iβve no record of the M4 having ever run on Boxing Day Last two years at least itβs been exactly the same M5 between Burnley and Colne
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 26, 2023 14:36:07 GMT 1
We can add Arriva, First and if applicable other operators' Christmas services here in due course.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 30, 2023 15:25:38 GMT 1
I wouldn't have thought any service other than the D1, would need this at all. Is this Christmas related?
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Nov 30, 2023 18:39:33 GMT 1
Can only speak of this from a drivers point of view but whoever says paying contactless speeds up bus journeys needs to give their head a wobble. Only time it ever will be quicker will be if/when a flat fare system is introduced and people only need to tap their bank card and no tapping off nonsense which doesn't work on single door buses as it holds the rest of the bus up when alighting. When people pay cash I find it's so much quicker to issue tickets
It was so much quicker before scanning QR codes and paying contactless because there is always a delay from putting it on the ticket machine to it accepting it. Before all this once you got used to it you could get really good at spotting out of date/dodgy tickets and passes. This is why I like driving buses in GM because the System One (until recently) had no QR codes on and you could board a full stop in minutes.
I also noticed a drop in boarding times when the ALMEX machines were replaced with Ticketers. On the ALMEX all (bar a few) of the record pass use buttons were along the bottom so could board and record passes in no time. Ticketers not so much, trying to cram everything on a small touch screen and having several different pages.
I can see why Transdev would do this, be good if other operators could do the same for some services.
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 30, 2023 21:46:18 GMT 1
Sounds to me that the issue is with the ticket machine having too many options for a small screen (a 7" tablet maybe better?) and the delay between selecting a ticket to the card reader being active?
I suspect things will speed up with time and ticketer bringing in updates.
But paying by card should be quicker than cash. Cash is so slow being counted out by both passenger & driver.
Prepayment is definitely the way forward. Integrating ticket machines into stops is the answer but this by Transdev is a positive. We had the same at Stourton P&R one Saturday where a staff member did 50% of the queue and the driver the other.
80% capacity boarded in 5mins.
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Post by mattb7tl on Dec 2, 2023 4:39:44 GMT 1
First Bradford's Christmas services have popped up under on First Leeds' page on bustimes
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Dec 2, 2023 4:40:57 GMT 1
First Bradford's Christmas services have popped up under on First Leeds' page on bustimes Because they're run by Leeds on those days.
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Post by mattb7tl on Dec 2, 2023 6:01:18 GMT 1
First Bradford's Christmas services have popped up under on First Leeds' page on bustimes Because they're run by Leeds on those days. Of course I mainly posted it since the changes don't appear to have been announced yet
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Post by LukePA on Dec 4, 2023 16:57:36 GMT 1
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Post by stephen01 on Dec 4, 2023 17:40:09 GMT 1
First year the 200 & 201 have run as through routes.
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Post by selbybus on Dec 5, 2023 17:45:00 GMT 1
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Post by pricel on Dec 5, 2023 18:17:33 GMT 1
A few of the First Halifax routes don't make sense. Why is 548 chosen instead of 549, when 549 serves more estates? Service 549 would be a better option as Halifax Road never seems to get many passenger anyways during a normal day. From what I observed, 549 picks up a lot of people by the Hove Edge and Lightcliffe Road area. As for 512, wouldn't it make sense for 511 to run also as 512 is only anti clockwise meaning that people who live around City Lane have to travel the long way to town and people who live up Pellon Lane have to travel the long way back. Maybe instead of 511, the 513 can run alongside the 512 as it serves Wainstalls which would be an extra area to pick up passengers?
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Post by joseph on Dec 5, 2023 18:18:29 GMT 1
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Post by pricel on Dec 7, 2023 23:17:16 GMT 1
I believe it isn't a timetable fault either as First also have that timetable on their website.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 8, 2023 1:10:19 GMT 1
The Boxing Day services that First run are pretty much copied and pasted from one year to the next
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Post by moorside on Dec 8, 2023 13:06:40 GMT 1
A few of the First Halifax routes don't make sense. Why is 548 chosen instead of 549, when 549 serves more estates? Service 549 would be a better option as Halifax Road never seems to get many passenger anyways during a normal day. From what I observed, 549 picks up a lot of people by the Hove Edge and Lightcliffe Road area. As for 512, wouldn't it make sense for 511 to run also as 512 is only anti clockwise meaning that people who live around City Lane have to travel the long way to town and people who live up Pellon Lane have to travel the long way back. Maybe instead of 511, the 513 can run alongside the 512 as it serves Wainstalls which would be an extra area to pick up passengers? A few years ago when the Halifax-Pellon-Mixenden-Wheatley-Halifax circular was 512 in both directions, only the timetable for the anti-clockwise direction was posted on the Metro site. When I contacted Metro about this, I was rather condescendingly told that the 512 was a circular service and that was why no return journeys were shown! After my response that, yes, I knew it was a circular but it ran in both directions, the person replying to me said that she didn't know the Halifax area well and would escalate my query to someone higher up who did know. I heard no more, but eventually both timetables were posted. The fact that only the 512 is running on Boxing Day seems to show that somebody, somewhere, has still not quite grasped the idea of a circular route running both ways round, even though each direction has a different number once more. As for Wainstalls, i wonder just how many people use the 513 on a normal day? Wainstalls was left with no bus service at all all through lockdown, and I think this must have had some effect as those who had to travel would have made alternative arrangements during those months, which they maybe stuck with once the bus service was restored.
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