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Post by deerfold on Oct 24, 2023 7:04:25 GMT 1
First Halifax"s Only cross town routes is the 541 & 542 Siddal-Norton Tower because Halifax is very different to the other main towns in West Yorkshire as they have settlements that ring around the whole town or city but Halifax's settlements seem to be situated to the north west, west and south of the town. So I guess it's not really appropriate for any cross town routes. Plus every main road in Halifax seems to experience bad traffic whether that would be A58 Northbound or Southbound, A629 North and South, Pellon Lane, and A646 which would be awful for Cross town routes. And yet there used to be routes Rishworth - Leeds, Huddersfield to Bradford, Huddersfield to Keighley, Sowerby Bridge to Bradford, Booth/Midgeley to Claremount, Ripponden to Wainstalls, Outline to Shelf...
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Post by jus363 on Oct 24, 2023 10:57:39 GMT 1
because Halifax is very different to the other main towns in West Yorkshire as they have settlements that ring around the whole town or city but Halifax's settlements seem to be situated to the north west, west and south of the town. So I guess it's not really appropriate for any cross town routes. Plus every main road in Halifax seems to experience bad traffic whether that would be A58 Northbound or Southbound, A629 North and South, Pellon Lane, and A646 which would be awful for Cross town routes. And yet there used to be routes Rishworth - Leeds, Huddersfield to Bradford, Huddersfield to Keighley, Sowerby Bridge to Bradford, Booth/Midgeley to Claremount, Ripponden to Wainstalls, Outline to Shelf... Who ran the Ripponden to Wainstalls route never heard of that one before, There use to be the 525 that went to Causeway Foot.
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Post by deerfold on Oct 24, 2023 12:57:59 GMT 1
And yet there used to be routes Rishworth - Leeds, Huddersfield to Bradford, Huddersfield to Keighley, Sowerby Bridge to Bradford, Booth/Midgeley to Claremount, Ripponden to Wainstalls, Outline to Shelf... Who ran the Ripponden to Wainstalls route never heard of that one before, There use to be the 525 that went to Causeway Foot. First's 557 ran from Ripponden to Wainstalls for many years (in the other direction the Wainstalls buses ran as 343s through Halifax). I was a reasonable regular on the Sunday 0920 from Ripponden to Pellon (otherwise I'd get the 0950 528 towards Halifax, changing onto the 506 at Kings Cross).
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 24, 2023 18:08:36 GMT 1
I remember in the early/mid 90s in Yorkshire Rider days you had
574/575 Claremount to Booth/Midgley 577/578/579 Claremount to Hubberton/Boulderclough/Steep Lane
West Vale services like the 343, 537, 556, I can’t remember which, were linked to Wainstalls
The 502/3/4 ran from Huddersfield to Halifax and on to Keighley, Bradford via Thornton and Illingworth Riley Lane
The 526/534 ran from Shelf to Newlands via Halifax
Siddal services ran to Norton Tower
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Post by mattb7tl on Oct 24, 2023 19:05:56 GMT 1
I remember in the early/mid 90s in Yorkshire Rider days you had 574/575 Claremount to Booth/Midgley 577/578/579 Claremount to Hubberton/Boulderclough/Steep Lane West Vale services like the 343, 537, 556, I can’t remember which, were linked to Wainstalls The 502/3/4 ran from Huddersfield to Halifax and on to Keighley, Bradford via Thornton and Illingworth Riley Lane The 526/534 ran from Shelf to Newlands via Halifax Siddal services ran to Norton Tower Interesting era of services! Do you remember the major ones to be reliable? Some of those running today would be a genuine nightmare.
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Post by pricel on Oct 24, 2023 20:01:19 GMT 1
because Halifax is very different to the other main towns in West Yorkshire as they have settlements that ring around the whole town or city but Halifax's settlements seem to be situated to the north west, west and south of the town. So I guess it's not really appropriate for any cross town routes. Plus every main road in Halifax seems to experience bad traffic whether that would be A58 Northbound or Southbound, A629 North and South, Pellon Lane, and A646 which would be awful for Cross town routes. And yet there used to be routes Rishworth - Leeds, Huddersfield to Bradford, Huddersfield to Keighley, Sowerby Bridge to Bradford, Booth/Midgeley to Claremount, Ripponden to Wainstalls, Outline to Shelf... Because traffic was not an issue.
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Post by deerfold on Oct 24, 2023 20:25:23 GMT 1
And yet there used to be routes Rishworth - Leeds, Huddersfield to Bradford, Huddersfield to Keighley, Sowerby Bridge to Bradford, Booth/Midgeley to Claremount, Ripponden to Wainstalls, Outline to Shelf... Because traffic was not an issue. In part, because more people were getting the buses instead of driving.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 24, 2023 22:09:21 GMT 1
I remember in the early/mid 90s in Yorkshire Rider days you had 574/575 Claremount to Booth/Midgley 577/578/579 Claremount to Hubberton/Boulderclough/Steep Lane West Vale services like the 343, 537, 556, I can’t remember which, were linked to Wainstalls The 502/3/4 ran from Huddersfield to Halifax and on to Keighley, Bradford via Thornton and Illingworth Riley Lane The 526/534 ran from Shelf to Newlands via Halifax Siddal services ran to Norton Tower Interesting era of services! Do you remember the major ones to be reliable? Some of those running today would be a genuine nightmare. I was a young child at the time so I couldn’t tell you As well as traffic, the road layout in Halifax town centre was different I recall Commercial Street used to be two way, so those services to Wainstalls used to come in to Halifax past the building society HQ, straight along Commercial Street the opposite way to now, and then straight up Pellon Lane Used to be a shock if you’d caught one from the General Hospital as was, and expected it to go to the bus station This photo illustrates it well www.flickr.com/photos/142228020@N05/52761772415/in/photolist-2oonSKi-2atpXVd
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Post by joseph on Oct 25, 2023 6:17:20 GMT 1
Leeds did have some really lengthy cross city routes over the years, Colton to Cottingley via Cross Gates, Halton, Cross Green, Leeds, Woodhouse, Hyde Park, Armley and Wortley with another version which ran alongside it from Colton via Temple Newsam Park, Halton Moor and so on to Wortley, they were numbered 26/7. Then you had the 97A which ran from Cross Green Lane (very random) the long way round to Leeds via Harehills, Headingley, Kirkstall, Bramley, Wortley, Armley, Hyde Park and Woodhouse, This for obvious reasons didn't last long at all and was a solution to several service cuts in all these areas. In particular, residents of Cross Green Lane were particularly miffed their campaign for a replacement bus to Leeds resulted in this! I recall another really lengthy around the houses service running in similar areas to the above, something like 753 which never carried anybody but ran from Leeds via something like Woodhouse to Cross Gates.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Oct 25, 2023 8:27:44 GMT 1
There were two main reasons for splitting cross city services: 1. Reliability - To avoid delays on one side of the city affecting other parts of cities. Passengers neither know or care what is going on with events elsewhere in the city and aren't really accepting of that as a reason for delays on their trip (& can get quite put out if issues elsewhere affect their journey regularly) 2. Road Layouts - A lot of cities have pedestrianised large parts of the city centre which can make navigating across the city time consuming or impractical.
There are really only 2 good reasons for having cross city services: 1. Efficiency - It can be the case that by combining two services into one cross city one you can save a bus & driving shift by being able to reduce the combined stand time but the increasing issues around traffic mean this is becoming harder to justify 2. To serve a high profile destination away from the core city centre - Primarily rail stations & hospitals (though sometimes also Universities/Colleges), it needs to be something very high profile & high volume but since it is unlikely that you can provide links from most of the city anyway this is seen as less vital as most passengers will have to change in any case & if you need to add too much recovery in the city centre to deal with traffic elsewhere the through trip is no more attractive than having to change bus anyway, particularly if you have a central point (such as a bus station) to allow the change to occur easier.
The reasons against cross-city are strong & becoming stronger whilst the reasons for are weaker and in many cases becoming weaker which means new cross city links are rare and existing ones are being broken regularly to address the issues they cause.
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Post by joseph on Oct 25, 2023 18:35:06 GMT 1
When you think back at what Black Prince did with the 88, you'd never achieve that nowadays. It's core route was from Cross Gates to Pudsey with additional sections at either end over various periods, at some point it had an 88A version which ran from Colton to Pudsey via Cross Gates and Harehills alongside an 88 from Halton Moor via Harehills, Leeds and Pudsey to Bradford, at some point I think there was even a version which ran from Colton to Bradford! First were no stranger to lengthy city to city and beyond routes too, they ran service 90 from Greengates via Pudsey, the Ring Road, Whitehall Road, Leeds, Harehills and Cross Gates to Colton.
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Post by jst on Oct 25, 2023 19:33:33 GMT 1
When you think back at what Black Prince did with the 88, you'd never achieve that nowadays. It's core route was from Cross Gates to Pudsey with additional sections at either end over various periods, at some point it had an 88A version which ran from Colton to Pudsey via Cross Gates and Harehills alongside an 88 from Halton Moor via Harehills, Leeds and Pudsey to Bradford, at some point I think there was even a version which ran from Colton to Bradford! First were no stranger to lengthy city to city and beyond routes too, they ran service 90 from Greengates via Pudsey, the Ring Road, Whitehall Road, Leeds, Harehills and Cross Gates to Colton. The 88 was my local route as a kid when it ran all the way from Colton to Bradford. You could set your watch by it, would never happen these days.
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Post by SCH117X on Oct 29, 2023 13:13:32 GMT 1
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Oct 29, 2023 15:45:35 GMT 1
That was when Keighley depôt ran the service, so it was convenient to run through. All buses ran in service back to base.
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Post by deerfold on Oct 29, 2023 20:29:11 GMT 1
That was when Keighley depôt ran the service, so it was convenient to run through. All buses ran in service back to base. Annoyingly for those who found it handy that it ran though (I doubt many went end to end!), evenings and Sundays when Black Prince ran the Wetherby to Leeds section, it was timed to arrive at Leeds Bus Station 5 minutes after the Keighley bus left.
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