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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2024 21:32:10 GMT 1
Nice. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a service with a 9-minute frequency before! I Believe both 135 & 409 have been Every 9 Mins at certain points on/off since 2018. There's to be more frequency uplifts in T1 area due around April/May time as well.
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 19, 2024 10:12:31 GMT 1
And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a service with a 9-minute frequency before! In London, pick pretty much any number you like between 4 and 20 and there's a bus somewhere running at that frequency...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 18:09:03 GMT 1
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Post by martinsfp on Feb 19, 2024 19:04:41 GMT 1
Proper 24/7 services, not just the Friday and Saturday night services of old: “Services could run hourly to fill the gap in current provision (between circa 1am and 5am) seven days a week”
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Post by SF07 on Mar 3, 2024 12:43:00 GMT 1
First Manchester's Bee Network services now showing on Bustimes.org. Services listed as First Manchester: - 406, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 440, 442, 447, 450, 451, 455, 456, 457, 458, 461, 467, 468.
- School services 708, 709, 722, 800, 828, 831, 839, 850, 862, 865, 880, 881, 894, 895, 967, 968.
bustimes.org/operators/bee-networkMeanwhile, services 151 and 159 are also listed under the Diamond Bus Bee Network list, bustimes.org/operators/bee-network-bndbAnd school services 803, 809, 816, 821, 824, 825, 826, 832, 833, 837, 849, 882, 883, 884, 885, 886 are listed under Go North West's Bee Network list. bustimes.org/operators/bee-network-bngnNothing yet for Stagecoach. But, process of elimination should confirm that the following services will be operated by Stagecoach from Middleton, Oldham and Queen's Road (assuming no existing Middleton/Oldham/Queens Road services switch from their current depots): - Middleton depot: 56, 112, 113, 114, 115/116, 117, 118/119, 129, 149, 156
- Oldham depot: 57, 59, 81, 82, 83, 84, 180, 181/182, 184, 348, 350, 409, 411, 425, 426
- Queens Road depot: FreeBus 1, FreeBus 2, 17/17A, 18, 33/33B, 41, 52, 53, 67/67A, 93, 95, 97, 98, 100, 135, 415
- Unknown: 125 (Middleton?), 469, 475, 477, 480, 487 (Queens Road?), 183, 402, 403 (Oldham?)
Finally, timetables for 24 March for services 33/33B, 93, 94, 129, 149, 151, 171/172, 181/182 and 348 are now showing on TfGM/Bee Network's website. tfgm.com/travel-updates/travel-alerts#bus
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Post by leedsbusman on Mar 3, 2024 13:30:45 GMT 1
First Manchester's Bee Network services now showing on Bustimes.org. Services listed as First Manchester: - 406, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 440, 442, 447, 450, 451, 455, 456, 457, 458, 461, 467, 468.
- School services 708, 709, 722, 800, 828, 831, 839, 850, 862, 865, 880, 881, 894, 895, 967, 968.
bustimes.org/operators/bee-networkMeanwhile, services 151 and 159 are also listed under the Diamond Bus Bee Network list, bustimes.org/operators/bee-network-bndbAnd school services 803, 809, 816, 821, 824, 825, 826, 832, 833, 837, 849, 882, 883, 884, 885, 886 are listed under Go North West's Bee Network list. bustimes.org/operators/bee-network-bngnNothing yet for Stagecoach. But, process of elimination should confirm that the following services will be operated by Stagecoach from Middleton, Oldham and Queen's Road (assuming no existing Middleton/Oldham/Queens Road services switch from their current depots): - Middleton depot: 56, 112, 113, 114, 115/116, 117, 118/119, 129, 149, 156
- Oldham depot: 57, 59, 81, 82, 83, 84, 180, 181/182, 184, 348, 350, 409, 411, 425, 426
- Queens Road depot: FreeBus 1, FreeBus 2, 17/17A, 18, 33/33B, 41, 52, 53, 67/67A, 93, 95, 97, 98, 100, 135, 415
- Unknown: 125 (Middleton?), 469, 475, 477, 480, 487 (Queens Road?), 183, 402, 403 (Oldham?)
Finally, timetables for 24 March for services 33/33B, 93, 94, 129, 149, 151, 171/172, 181/182 and 348 are now showing on TfGM/Bee Network's website. tfgm.com/travel-updates/travel-alerts#busI thought the 17-18 were moving to Oldham depot and using electric buses? Found a link here with a list of the routes to run from Oldham www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/services_stagecoach_will_run_fro/response/2528532/attach/3/Franchised%20Service%20List%20from%20Oldham%20Depot%20operated%20by%20Stagecoach.csv?cookie_passthrough=1Includes 17-18 57 59 81-84 180-184 348 350 402/3 409 411 425/6 and school.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2024 14:47:42 GMT 1
First Manchester's Bee Network services now showing on Bustimes.org. Services listed as First Manchester: - 406, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 440, 442, 447, 450, 451, 455, 456, 457, 458, 461, 467, 468.
- School services 708, 709, 722, 800, 828, 831, 839, 850, 862, 865, 880, 881, 894, 895, 967, 968.
bustimes.org/operators/bee-networkMeanwhile, services 151 and 159 are also listed under the Diamond Bus Bee Network list, bustimes.org/operators/bee-network-bndbAnd school services 803, 809, 816, 821, 824, 825, 826, 832, 833, 837, 849, 882, 883, 884, 885, 886 are listed under Go North West's Bee Network list. bustimes.org/operators/bee-network-bngnNothing yet for Stagecoach. But, process of elimination should confirm that the following services will be operated by Stagecoach from Middleton, Oldham and Queen's Road (assuming no existing Middleton/Oldham/Queens Road services switch from their current depots): - Middleton depot: 56, 112, 113, 114, 115/116, 117, 118/119, 129, 149, 156
- Oldham depot: 57, 59, 81, 82, 83, 84, 180, 181/182, 184, 348, 350, 409, 411, 425, 426
- Queens Road depot: FreeBus 1, FreeBus 2, 17/17A, 18, 33/33B, 41, 52, 53, 67/67A, 93, 95, 97, 98, 100, 135, 415
- Unknown: 125 (Middleton?), 469, 475, 477, 480, 487 (Queens Road?), 183, 402, 403 (Oldham?)
Finally, timetables for 24 March for services 33/33B, 93, 94, 129, 149, 151, 171/172, 181/182 and 348 are now showing on TfGM/Bee Network's website. tfgm.com/travel-updates/travel-alerts#busI thought the 17-18 were moving to Oldham depot and using electric buses? Found a link here with a list of the routes to run from Oldham www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/services_stagecoach_will_run_fro/response/2528532/attach/3/Franchised%20Service%20List%20from%20Oldham%20Depot%20operated%20by%20Stagecoach.csv?cookie_passthrough=1Includes 17-18 57 59 81-84 180-184 348 350 402/3 409 411 425/6 and school. I Believe the 17/A/18 are to be operated out of Oldham until the new Central Park electric depot opens at some point next year.
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Post by michael1971 on Mar 12, 2024 14:14:07 GMT 1
i have seen the new timetable for 184 service the map shows Mount Road Marsden as part of route but not mentioned in timetable times which is a bit confusing
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 22, 2024 12:04:10 GMT 1
Passenger Transport magazine is reporting on industry rumours regarding the upcoming Tranche 3 awards which suggests that Stagecoach will only win one of the five large contracts which are up for grabs in South & East Manchester. It's expected that First and Diamond will be succesful with most of the four smaller franchises, but that a newcomer to the region may win some or all of the remaining large franchises. Confort DelGro, better known in London as Metroline, appear to be the most prominant name being bandied around. If true then this will be a significant loss of work for Stagecoach who operate pretty much all the large depots which remain to be brought into the Bee Network next January. I reckon it's probably even more likely that if this comes to pass they would look to West Yorkshire's franchised network to regain some business. www.passengertransport.co.uk/2024/03/speculation-mounts-over-tranche-3-winners/
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Mar 22, 2024 22:48:39 GMT 1
This is from speculation. I’ve heard Stagecoach may win Stockport Large - ( as Stockports getting a large number Volvo BZL/ MCV Doubles and singles for 2024 )
Hyde Road Large / Sharston Large could be the ones that go and shift to Comfort Delgro.
There’s also other rumours such as Transport Uk ( Abellio ) and RATP are also in the running too for bids.
The Wythenshawe Large contract will be the interesting one as Arriva will forfeit this garage. Arriva North West are going back to concentrate in Merseyside. Taking their buses too once the changeover commences.
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Post by michael1971 on Mar 23, 2024 18:16:45 GMT 1
This is from speculation. I’ve heard Stagecoach may win Stockport Large - ( as Stockports getting a large number Volvo BZL/ MCV Doubles and singles for 2024 ) Hyde Road Large / Sharston Large could be the ones that go and shift to Comfort Delgro. There’s also other rumours such as Transport Uk ( Abellio ) and RATP are also in the running too for bids. The Wythenshawe Large contract will be the interesting one as Arriva will forfeit this garage. Arriva North West are going back to concentrate in Merseyside. Taking their buses too once the changeover commences. anything about the 343 and 356 services
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Mar 24, 2024 11:36:39 GMT 1
No news so far. The date for Tranche 3 was supposed to be last Friday 22nd March. But looks like it could be Monday 25th onwards. Apparently some legal challenges that blocked last Fridays release date.
Tranche 2 seems to be working from Today. As the Yellow BYD/E400 MMCs have been released to work Oldham Services.
On Facebook and other forums seen the new buses active on route like the 83 and should be now on the 184.
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Post by driver6540 on Mar 24, 2024 23:23:23 GMT 1
No news so far. The date for Tranche 3 was supposed to be last Friday 22nd March. But looks like it could be Monday 25th onwards. Apparently some legal challenges that blocked last Fridays release date. Tranche 2 seems to be working from Today. As the Yellow BYD/E400 MMCs have been released to work Oldham Services. On Facebook and other forums seen the new buses active on route like the 83 and should be now on the 184.
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Post by michael1971 on Mar 25, 2024 8:07:58 GMT 1
No news so far. The date for Tranche 3 was supposed to be last Friday 22nd March. But looks like it could be Monday 25th onwards. Apparently some legal challenges that blocked last Fridays release date. Tranche 2 seems to be working from Today. As the Yellow BYD/E400 MMCs have been released to work Oldham Services. On Facebook and other forums seen the new buses active on route like the 83 and should be now on the 184. yes i saw 11521 on 184 yestaday and 11508 is on it now also noted is they are NOT going up Mount road and have gone back to the old route in and out of Marsden
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Post by martinsfp on Mar 26, 2024 13:18:51 GMT 1
First day in Manchester city centre since tranche 2 launched and it’s fun to see a posh new electric double decker running on the 181 to Royton, which First Manchester had previously been running with clunky old single deckers for years.
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 26, 2024 16:29:48 GMT 1
T2 is going okay minus Oldham! I'm in a group chat with a bunch of mancs and it is insanely disastrous. SK24 CLJ on the 403 is 83 minutes late because the drivers keep making a loop around an estate that isn't meant to be served. Stagecoach has completely failed to train their drivers appropriately and this is reflected across several routes. I expect big teething issues but this doesn't seem excusable to me when they have had a great deal of time to prepare?
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Post by pricel on Mar 27, 2024 8:48:47 GMT 1
T2 is going okay minus Oldham! I'm in a group chat with a bunch of mancs and it is insanely disastrous. SK24 CLJ on the 403 is 83 minutes late because the drivers keep making a loop around an estate that isn't meant to be served. Stagecoach has completely failed to train their drivers appropriately and this is reflected across several routes. I expect big teething issues but this doesn't seem excusable to me when they have had a great deal of time to prepare? None of the drivers seem to know the 100 or the 480 route properly. My mate who lived on the 480 had to spend his time going all the way to Bolton then back to his house half way on the route as he were showing the driver where to go, since Stagecoach failed to train him the route. The 100s keep skipping Hollins Green village, as the drivers are unaware that the Warrington ones are supposed to serve it. A poor lad was complaining to me in Warrington Bus Station about having to wait 3 hours for a bus to Warrington, to not skip the village.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 27, 2024 9:51:22 GMT 1
I'm a little confused about all of this drivers not knowing the routes.
Haven't drivers already at the depots taken over by Stagecoach just TUPE'd over to the new employer. I can't imagine all of First Oldhams drivers have gone to Rochdale, or Queens Rd drivers have gone to other GNW depots.
If they have, where have Stagecoach found all these new drivers when every other company has driver shortages?
It's like all the drivers have been replaced or had their memories wiped if the problems are as widespread as reported
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Post by steve440 on Mar 27, 2024 10:01:44 GMT 1
I'm a little confused about all of this drivers not knowing the routes. Haven't drivers already at the depots taken over by Stagecoach just TUPE'd over to the new employer. I can't imagine all of First Oldhams drivers have gone to Rochdale, or Queens Rd drivers have gone to other GNW depots. If they have, where have Stagecoach found all these new drivers when every other company has driver shortages? It's like all the drivers have been replaced or had their memories wiped if the problems are as widespread as reported The problem with the 184 is that the route has changed since Oldham depot used to run it.
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 27, 2024 12:35:18 GMT 1
I'm a little confused about all of this drivers not knowing the routes. Haven't drivers already at the depots taken over by Stagecoach just TUPE'd over to the new employer. I can't imagine all of First Oldhams drivers have gone to Rochdale, or Queens Rd drivers have gone to other GNW depots. If they have, where have Stagecoach found all these new drivers when every other company has driver shortages? It's like all the drivers have been replaced or had their memories wiped if the problems are as widespread as reported Apparently a lot of drivers didn't want to join Stagecoach from First at Oldham Seems like there is an even bigger driver shortage than beforehand
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Post by pricel on Mar 27, 2024 13:33:10 GMT 1
I'm a little confused about all of this drivers not knowing the routes. Haven't drivers already at the depots taken over by Stagecoach just TUPE'd over to the new employer. I can't imagine all of First Oldhams drivers have gone to Rochdale, or Queens Rd drivers have gone to other GNW depots. If they have, where have Stagecoach found all these new drivers when every other company has driver shortages? It's like all the drivers have been replaced or had their memories wiped if the problems are as widespread as reported Services that used to be part of Bury Bolts and 480, are now run by Queens Road which were services which is a reason why drivers won't be familiar with those routes. As for the 184, the route has changed from when First Bus Oldham ran it.
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Post by md191077 on Mar 27, 2024 22:54:53 GMT 1
Has this been a rushed job, why are drivers not route trained for routes. 184 still only operating via its scheduled route via Mount Road 1 in 13 times since Sunday's inauguration as a BeeNetwork route, people left stranded.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 27, 2024 23:04:27 GMT 1
From what i saw in FB on a Bee Network enthusiast page which happens to have Bee Network drivers on it seems to be mis-communication between the two Transport Executives (Metro & Bee Network) and Stagecoach.
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Post by joseph on Mar 28, 2024 6:52:59 GMT 1
Has this been a rushed job, why are drivers not route trained for routes. 184 still only operating via its scheduled route via Mount Road 1 in 13 times since Sunday's inauguration as a BeeNetwork route, people left stranded. Not so sure they can call themselves stranded lol, a majority own cars up that way and they still have the 938 plus it's only a 20 minute walk to Marsden itself for other buses and yes I know Marsden is a bit in the wild side but it's not that remote so I'm sure a taxi to Marsden station can be summoned quickly up in the sticks lol. Can't believe they see themselves as stranded, hell fire they're worse than some of the folk up Cross Green/East End Park who call themselves stranded after 6/7pm and on Sundays when the 87 was taken off, and these are folk who are more than capable of walking! They can call themselves very lucky up Hard End, with so few homes up that way and so many with cars if it were my decision I'd have the 184 stick to the main road, makes it simpler for drivers to learn for a start, probably quicker on the A62 with no cars to navigate than on Mount Road despite it being half a mile longer too. They'd still have the 938 which is ideal for the narrowness of the road due to parked cars and is an ideal size bus for passenger numbers bearing in mind I've caught/seen buses up that way on different days up that way for years (well bottom of the hill anyway for access to Wessenden) and they've always been lightly loaded.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Mar 28, 2024 9:22:29 GMT 1
Has this been a rushed job, why are drivers not route trained for routes. 184 still only operating via its scheduled route via Mount Road 1 in 13 times since Sunday's inauguration as a BeeNetwork route, people left stranded. To an extent, the fact that the change of operator and change of service (routes moved between depots for instance) happened on the same day will have made this process more difficult as technically most of these drivers weren't "Stagecoach's" until the day of the change and no matter how much co-operation there is from the previous operator there will always be a level of friction in getting drivers properly trained & briefed on new work. Not all drivers are as committed to the career of bus driving as to be prepared to do extra outside their core hours (even if paid) to get trained and not all drivers will learn in the same way and follow briefing notes clearly - when they are your drivers you know who you can just give the instruction and they will follow (& read) and which you need to take aside and go through in more detail one-on-one but when they are new to you it won't be clear. What the Bee Network is confirming, something that is known to those who have been through similar but wasn't widely understood by those who hadn't, is that drivers aren't always logical on who and where they are prepared to work and the moment you shake anything up you get surprises falling out. You will have drivers who don't want to work in specific places, for specific companies (it may be they previously worked for the new operator and didn't like it) or want to do specific type of duties that are no longer available or not do certain duties/routes that the changes mean they now have to cover and so will look to move to somewhere that fits them better. You will also find that any change like this may simply be the opportunity for someone who was dissatisfied to get out, you can force an employer to take someone on via TUPE but you can't force someone to move to a different employer by it (this being different to a company takeover where your employer hasn't changed just who owns your employer).
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