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Post by mattb7tl on Jul 27, 2023 17:27:56 GMT 1
I think this may end up being a popular topic as we start to see changes which definitely would not have happened under the previous leadership.
Just to start off the thread...
Mainline or atleast parts of the brand are recieving double decker allocation. Seems like the new management isn't afraid to actually use deckers!
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Post by WYBS on Jul 27, 2023 19:49:02 GMT 1
I think this may end up being a popular topic as we start to see changes which definitely would not have happened under the previous leadership. Just to start off the thread... Mainline or atleast parts of the brand are recieving double decker allocation. Seems like the new management isn't afraid to actually use deckers! I do feel the two MMCs that have been painted into generic Burnley livery would have been better in Pride of the North like 2019, especially as they could have been used to help out at Coastliner over the summer. |
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Post by deerfold on Jul 27, 2023 22:19:56 GMT 1
I think this may end up being a popular topic as we start to see changes which definitely would not have happened under the previous leadership. Just to start off the thread... Mainline or atleast parts of the brand are recieving double decker allocation. Seems like the new management isn't afraid to actually use deckers! Is that just on the M4s or others, too? Thought the M4 had had quite a few this week, though it gets them occasionally. |
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 27, 2023 22:54:12 GMT 1
I think this may end up being a popular topic as we start to see changes which definitely would not have happened under the previous leadership. Just to start off the thread... Mainline or atleast parts of the brand are recieving double decker allocation. Seems like the new management isn't afraid to actually use deckers! Is that just on the M4s or others, too? Thought the M4 had had quite a few this week, though it gets them occasionally. the M5 & M6 have also seen deckers and it even the M2 is know to have had deckers over last couple of months. |
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Post by leedsbusman on Jul 28, 2023 7:27:22 GMT 1
Is that just on the M4s or others, too? Thought the M4 had had quite a few this week, though it gets them occasionally. the M5 & M6 have also seen deckers and it even the M2 is know to have had deckers over last couple of months. The M2 has had a booked double decker board for years and an M6 had one when it started too. I understand 2 or 3 more boards will be double deck from September due to changes in school attendance in Pendle. |
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 4, 2023 21:40:39 GMT 1
Burnley is getting some mental evening and night improvements. Three services (1,3, and 5) are getting buses until 11pm!
Those three routes previously did not have a socially acceptable timetable. Ending at 6pm, or 7pm. Considering the scale of Burnley, that may be one of the most impressive post pandemic timetable improvements in the North.
A whole three routes where people can start to justify building a life around those services.
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Post by pricel on Nov 5, 2023 10:37:49 GMT 1
Burnley is getting some mental evening and night improvements. Three services (1,3, and 5) are getting buses until 11pm! Those three routes previously did not have a socially acceptable timetable. Ending at 6pm, or 7pm. Considering the scale of Burnley, that may be one of the most impressive post pandemic timetable improvements in the North. A whole three routes where people can start to justify building a life around those services. Lets just hope this doesn't mean an increase in bricking. Personally, I think the Rossendale area could deal with some later buses like on the 7, 8, 10, 11 and Irwell Line. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 14:49:44 GMT 1
Burnley is getting some mental evening and night improvements. Three services (1,3, and 5) are getting buses until 11pm! Those three routes previously did not have a socially acceptable timetable. Ending at 6pm, or 7pm. Considering the scale of Burnley, that may be one of the most impressive post pandemic timetable improvements in the North. A whole three routes where people can start to justify building a life around those services. Funded by the BSIP with other areas of Lancashire also gaining improvements plus the M6 Burnley to Skipton getting a later journey from the same date. Currently they are all funded until 2026 so hopefully they build up enough passenger numbers to continue after that point. |
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 5, 2023 15:39:44 GMT 1
Burnley is getting some mental evening and night improvements. Three services (1,3, and 5) are getting buses until 11pm! Those three routes previously did not have a socially acceptable timetable. Ending at 6pm, or 7pm. Considering the scale of Burnley, that may be one of the most impressive post pandemic timetable improvements in the North. A whole three routes where people can start to justify building a life around those services. Funded by the BSIP with other areas of Lancashire also gaining improvements plus the M6 Burnley to Skipton getting a later journey from the same date. Currently they are all funded until 2026 so hopefully they build up enough passenger numbers to continue after that point. Have those routes ever ran that late? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 15:55:07 GMT 1
Funded by the BSIP with other areas of Lancashire also gaining improvements plus the M6 Burnley to Skipton getting a later journey from the same date. Currently they are all funded until 2026 so hopefully they build up enough passenger numbers to continue after that point. Have those routes ever ran that late? Most areas of Burnley did have late services during the pre-Transdev days but I'm not sure they was ever commercial. If I'm remembering correctly most evening services got reduced/axed during the 'Starship' era of branding for the area what was when there was both funding cuts & Transdev was making commercial reductions as this was during the same time as the 'Spot On' mess in Blackburn. |
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 8, 2023 9:34:40 GMT 1
I do feel the two MMCs that have been painted into generic Burnley livery would have been better in Pride of the North like 2019, especially as they could have been used to help out at Coastliner over the summer. Ex Cityzap/X98-X99 2018 is in the PoN varient Transdev Go livery but 2016 is also carrying the Burnley livery emnblazed with a Manchester greeting, at least on its nearside. Saw it in Skipton yesterday. |
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 28, 2024 17:15:34 GMT 1
WYIS are reporting Rochdale based Enviro 200 763 as having been repained into Burnley orange, although remaining there, as one of several to be transferred out of Rochdale as the transfer of those operations under Greater Manchester franchishing approaches.
Question then arises what wll replace them - if the electrics had arrived then there would be a flood of elderly B7RLEs they could dump on Rochdale but otherwise?
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Post by pricel on Jan 28, 2024 18:07:48 GMT 1
WYIS are reporting Rochdale based Enviro 200 763 as having been repained into Burnley orange, although remaining there, as the obe several to be transferred out of Rochdale as the transfer of those operations under Greater Manchester franchishing approaches. Question then arises what wll replace them - if the electrics had arrived then there would be a flood elderly B7RLEs they could dump on Rochdale but otherwise? They probably could dump Renowns at the last minute and let Bee Network get rid of them and look for replacements |
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Post by sharksmith on Jan 28, 2024 18:20:30 GMT 1
Surely if they've lost the work there is no obligation to leave any buses behind is there. Although some Diamond Bolton buses transferred to Go North West I'm not aware that Stagecoach left anything when they vacated Wigan. For Rochdale work surely it will be up to Stagecoach and First to source vehicles to operate the bits and pieces they've picked up?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 28, 2024 21:49:53 GMT 1
WYIS are reporting Rochdale based Enviro 200 763 as having been repained into Burnley orange, although remaining there, as one of several to be transferred out of Rochdale as the transfer of those operations under Greater Manchester franchishing approaches. Question then arises what wll replace them - if the electrics had arrived then there would be a flood of elderly B7RLEs they could dump on Rochdale but otherwise? I don’t believe Transdev are selling any buses to First. First are sourcing their own. It will be interesting to see where Transdev redeploy the Rochdale based fleet, and which buses they withdraw |
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 28, 2024 22:05:00 GMT 1
So WYIS are jumping the gun with the comment of
"to be transferred out of Rochdale as the transfer of those operations under Greater Manchester franchishing approaches"
when it should therefore be
"to be transferred from Rochdale when those operations are transferred to First under Greater Manchester franchishing".
One at least of three Volvo B9TLs is desparately needed as Burnleys 2427 is apparently to go to both Starbeck to replace 2017 and Malton to replace 2019 - some achievement that.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jan 29, 2024 9:13:40 GMT 1
Surely if they've lost the work there is no obligation to leave any buses behind is there. Although some Diamond Bolton buses transferred to Go North West I'm not aware that Stagecoach left anything when they vacated Wigan. For Rochdale work surely it will be up to Stagecoach and First to source vehicles to operate the bits and pieces they've picked up? Unless TfGM, or their contracted operators, are buying vehicles from Transdev at book value as a separate deal then when the franchise comes in all the vehicles currently at Rochdale become free to cascade. Diamond sold their depot & fleet (or at least a substantial number of vehicles) at Bolton to TfGM for use by the replacement operator, Stagecoach didn't appear to sell any vehicles (not sure of the status of the depot as to whether owned or leased but there was no big announcement so I assume it was a lease that transferred) whilst Arriva did neither and cascaded their fleet out immediately - the lack of Stagecoach & Arriva vehicles does explain the vehicle issues and all the loans and cascades GNW had to bring in as that is a big shortfall on day one. As there is no compensatory arrangement in the franchising system (i.e: TfGM aren't buying businesses at market rate & then contracting out, they are just removing the right to run buses from existing operators and tendering replacement services) there can be no obligation on the old operator to hand over any assets they don't want to or leave anything in Manchester after the last day of commercial operation. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 29, 2024 13:46:18 GMT 1
Unless TfGM, or their contracted operators, are buying vehicles from Transdev at book value as a separate deal then when the franchise comes in all the vehicles currently at Rochdale become free to cascade. Diamond sold their depot & fleet (or at least a substantial number of vehicles) at Bolton to TfGM for use by the replacement operator, Stagecoach didn't appear to sell any vehicles (not sure of the status of the depot as to whether owned or leased but there was no big announcement so I assume it was a lease that transferred) whilst Arriva did neither and cascaded their fleet out immediately - the lack of Stagecoach & Arriva vehicles does explain the vehicle issues and all the loans and cascades GNW had to bring in as that is a big shortfall on day one. As there is no compensatory arrangement in the franchising system (i.e: TfGM aren't buying businesses at market rate & then contracting out, they are just removing the right to run buses from existing operators and tendering replacement services) there can be no obligation on the old operator to hand over any assets they don't want to or leave anything in Manchester after the last day of commercial operation. With Transdev having about a dozen Renowns and two dozen Presidents that urgently need replacing, as well as several other vehicles that are rapidly approaching retirement age, it probably makes a lot of sense for them to keep hold of the buses they have in Rochdale and cascade them – likewise I'm sure Arriva and Stagecoach will easily be able to find good homes for any vehicles surplus to requirements elsewhere in their fleet – whereas perhaps Diamond didn't have an obvious destination for the buses they no longer needed and so selling them to the new Bee operator would have been a good call (and may have got them some brownie points with TfGM into the bargain!) |
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 29, 2024 19:30:01 GMT 1
WYIS are now saying their are six vehicles involved in the repaints for Burnley
Burnley have 5 Mellor Stratas and the unique MAN 14.240 chassied Enviro 200 ex York Pullman
Keighley have 15 Mellor Stratas and 5 Optare Solos...
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Post by leedsbusman on Feb 2, 2024 9:37:54 GMT 1
So WYIS are jumping the gun with the comment of "to be transferred out of Rochdale as the transfer of those operations under Greater Manchester franchishing approaches" when it should therefore be "to be transferred from Rochdale when those operations are transferred to First under Greater Manchester franchishing". One at least of three Volvo B9TLs is desparately needed as Burnleys 2427 is apparently to go to both Starbeck to replace 2017 and Malton to replace 2019 - some achievement that. I think that’s someone’s fantasy. 2421 is at Malton for prep for service after accident repairs and repaint. That will replace 2019. |
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 24, 2024 9:49:04 GMT 1
Video the start of the evacuation of Rochdale link| |
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Post by pricel on Mar 24, 2024 11:33:44 GMT 1
Video the start of the evacuation of Rochdale link| Ironically the 3 out of the first 4 vehicles on that video are not going to a new home, they are going to scrap |
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 24, 2024 12:35:04 GMT 1
Video the start of the evacuation of Rochdale | Ironically the 3 out of the first 4 vehicles on that video are not going to a new home, they are going to scrap According the West Yorkshire Information Service Fleetlist, accessible at www.wyis.org.uk the Solo is being withdrawn and presumably scrapped if you are right - that applying to both Solos at Rochdale (188 and 189 both ex Yorkshire Tiger). Streetlites 601-611 are to be returned to the leasing company and being only 9-10 years old will presumably find new homes. Streetlites 612-619 are to be refurbished and go to Blackburn replacing old vehicles there Enviro 200s 731-737 are to be offered for sale, which may mean they get scrapped if no purchaser can be found and no need to reuse them occcurs in the meantime. Enviro 200s 761 and 762 are going to Elland replacing Solos 173 and 181 Enviro 200s 763-768 are going to Burnley replacing Solos 161-164 and MAN 1201 B7RLEs 1717-1721 are going to Keighley replacing B7RLEs 1729-1733 which are to be returned to the leasing company Volvo B9TL 2423 is going to Keighley Volvo B9TL 2424 is going to Burnley for Rosso service operated from there. |
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