Late turn rota`s

[BusmanBry]

Hello to anyone who finds this.

I am wanting to ask if anyone happens to know of any bus companies either major large ones or smaller independant ones that have a late turn rota?.

By late turn i am thinking of the earliest start being 1pm or 2pm and then just finish anytime after 10pm.

I dont sleep very well so any start time between 3am and 11am just wouldnt work for me sadly.

I currently live in Altofts ( West Yorkshire ) and i have transport but ideally any companies within West Yorkshire would be ideal.

I could search further afield but that would mean me either re locating or taking on a shared house and still trying to run this place.

I`ve got my PCV and CPC. I passed my PCV ( or PSV as it was back then ) in September 1992 at West Riding Buses ( Belle Isle depot, Barnsley Road Wakefield )

Many thanks,
Bryan

[stephen01]

Jun 23, 2023 4:32:09 GMT 1 BusmanBry said:

Hello to anyone who finds this.

I am wanting to ask if anyone happens to know of any bus companies either major large ones or smaller independant ones that have a late turn rota?.

By late turn i am thinking of the earliest start being 1pm or 2pm and then just finish anytime after 10pm.

I dont sleep very well so any start time between 3am and 11am just wouldnt work for me sadly.

I currently live in Altofts ( West Yorkshire ) and i have transport but ideally any companies within West Yorkshire would be ideal.

I could search further afield but that would mean me either re locating or taking on a shared house and still trying to run this place.

I`ve got my PCV and CPC. I passed my PCV ( or PSV as it was back then ) in September 1992 at West Riding Buses ( Belle Isle depot, Barnsley Road Wakefield )

Many thanks,
Bryan

Hi Bryan, i'd look to speak with Yorkshire Buses see what they can offer in terms of that as they may be able to help as they are usually after drivers for the Rail Replacement work and routes 9 & 29 finish around 10pm.

[BusmanBry]

Hi there Stephen01,

I`d like to thank you for your comment on here and for the help you offered advice wise, its very much appreciated.

This will sound somewhat weird but i`m actually banned for life from being employed by Yorkshire Buses and i`m even blocked from their facebook page so that`s not really an option sadly. I`m also banned for life from Ross Travel and Arriva here in the whole of the UK. Also banned from Shoreline Suncruiser Buses in Scarborough and from Southern Vectis on the Isle of Wight and from EYMS all depots.

Anyway i just wanted to be honest and open and say that trying to get off benefits and back behind the wheel of a bus is now proving very difficult.

Again i do appreciate your information and i`m of the hoping that your keeping well.

I`m going to contact Somerset Passenger Solutions who are based in Somerset as they operate Staff & Visitor shuttle services to Hinckley Point so they may be happy to give me a go. Failing that next July i`ve been told that i can apply to J&DS Halcrow over on the Shetland Isle`s. That would be ok just means i`d not see my family so often including my 2 year old grandson and the new grandson that is due in November.

Cheers,

Bryan.

[WYBS]

Banned from working for 6 operators? This has gotta be a wind up, right?

[deerfold]

Jun 25, 2023 18:08:25 GMT 1 WYBS said:

Banned from working for 6 operators? This has gotta be a wind up, right?

It's certainly different from the OP's "Any companies within West Yorkshire would be ideal"

[BusmanBry]

Hello WYBS,

I can actually assure you that my post is not a wind up, i can give you my word on that.

Hello deerfold - I`m really hoping to find bus driving employment in West Yorkshire so as to be closer to my family especially my daughter who is expecting her 2nd child in November. I`m doing what i can to be open, honest and transparent with all this.

Sadly as a last resort i would have to contemplate relocating to ensure meaningfull employment as in shared housing or B&B etc.

Cheers,

Bryan.

[deerfold]

Jun 25, 2023 18:19:05 GMT 1 BusmanBry said:

Hello deerfold - I`m really hoping to find bus driving employment in West Yorkshire so as to be closer to my family especially my daughter who is expecting her 2nd child in November. I`m doing what i can to be open, honest and transparent with all this.

Wouldn't that have involved telling us these restrictions in your first post so people wouldn't make recommendations you can't follow up?

I don't know if you want to share why you're banned from all these companies as it may be something that other companies may be aware of and may affect employment elsewhere.

[joseph]

I've got to be totally honest with you, to say you're banned from all these companies including 2 very big ones, must mean that there is a very good reason such as you're not suited to driving work for what ever reasons you're banned for. And to say you've hacked off the owner of Yorkshire Buses (everyone says he's not a bad bloke and his company has a good reputation) then you must have done something really bad to him as he doesn't seem to be the kind of bloke who would ban someone from social media unless they've really hacked him off. Personally, and take this advice well, I'd look for non driving work in another sector as it seems something is clearly flagging up each time you look for work or have a job with a firm. Maybe just volunteer for a public transport museum/organisation if you still want to be involved in the sector.

[BusmanBry]

Hello Joseph,

Me and my family really appreciate your thoughts and we have taken everything on board.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend and stay safe.

Cheers,

Bryan.

[deerfold]

If the problem is, say, a DR10 on your licence, I'd suggest not applying to any more bus operators until it's expired as if they don't take you on, you'll then be on their systems with that information attached as why they didn't.

[BusmanBry]

Hello deerfold,

Good to hear from you. My DR10 expires June 2024, it will have been attached to my licence 11 years by then.

Many Bus & Coach operators are able to accept a person with a DR10 once 5 years have elapsed. Southern Vectis wont employ anyone with a DR10 or any other serious conviction code even when its expired due to the fact that it was actually applied in the first place. J&DS Halcrow ( Shetland ) require the DR10 to be expired and then your good to go so long as you can get to their depot.

The whole point of my initial thread was to simply ask if anyone knew of any bus companies that had a permenant late turn rota due to me not sleeping so well at the moment and that i would struggle with 3am to maybe 11am starts currently, i never said that my sleep pattern would not hopefully improve once i had some type of sleep pattern initiated.

Joseph suggested that i try and find voluntary work in the bus sector, which was a really nice plan all be it with one slightly tiny setback, as far as i remember voluntary work is unpaid a bit like community service. So although i appreciate his advice i`m trying to work out how me doing voluntary work all week will help me pay my bills and help me to try and survive through this cost of living crisis?

Cheers,

Bryan.

[joseph]

Jun 25, 2023 19:50:20 GMT 1 BusmanBry said:

Hello deerfold,

Good to hear from you. My DR10 expires June 2024, it will have been attached to my licence 11 years by then.

Many Bus & Coach operators are able to accept a person with a DR10 once 5 years have elapsed. Southern Vectis wont employ anyone with a DR10 or any other serious conviction code even when its expired due to the fact that it was actually applied in the first place. J&DS Halcrow ( Shetland ) require the DR10 to be expired and then your good to go so long as you can get to their depot.

The whole point of my initial thread was to simply ask if anyone knew of any bus companies that had a permenant late turn rota due to me not sleeping so well at the moment and that i would struggle with 3am to maybe 11am starts currently, i never said that my sleep pattern would not hopefully improve once i had some type of sleep pattern initiated.

Joseph suggested that i try and find voluntary work in the bus sector, which was a really nice plan all be it with one slightly tiny setback, as far as i remember voluntary work is unpaid a bit like community service. So although i appreciate his advice i`m trying to work out how me doing voluntary work all week will help me pay my bills and help me to try and survive through this cost of living crisis?

Cheers,

Bryan.

That's why I said you'd be better off looking for non driving work because, as suspected, it's a serious red flag on your record. Locally you'd be very lucky to find a firm that would take you on with late turn work. Globe and Cawthrones in Barnsley/Wakefield do mostly daytime work with a handful of evening shifts and the rest made up with private hire work which may not guarantee just late turn shifts. Can't see the likes of First and Stagecoach taking someone on with an existing DR10, although I may be wrong. Stringers only do daytime work and coach contracts, again not guaranteed for late only shifts. South Pennine are practically 98% daytime only shifts. There aren't many other firms out there without travelling out of the area, say over to York (Reliance, Pullman etc), or Selby (Thornes coaching work). 

[deerfold]

Jun 25, 2023 19:50:20 GMT 1 BusmanBry said:

The whole point of my initial thread was to simply ask if anyone knew of any bus companies that had a permenant late turn rota due to me not sleeping so well at the moment and that i would struggle with 3am to maybe 11am starts currently, i never said that my sleep pattern would not hopefully improve once i had some type of sleep pattern initiated.

You seem to be having an argument against something no-one has said.

[BusmanBry]

Hello Joseph,

Thanks ever so much for the list of possible companies that i`ll contact.

Hello again deerfold - Hope your keeping well - I dont do arguing as its a very negative and unattractive trait and its just not a healthy or positive vibe to have.

Cheers,

Bryan.

[stephen01]

Hi Bryan,

Now you've shed some light on the situation it does look like you've got slim to no chance of getting a driving job in the bus/Coaching sector anytime soon especially taking in to account you've mentioned several operators who have banned you from applying for roles with them it's not looking good as the odds are stacked against you i'm afraid.

[joseph]

You'll have to do a bit of digging but I may have a solution. I wasn't going to suggest this as the firm in question doesn't have the best of reputations (allegedly) but there is one famous firm (again allegedly for all the wrong reasons) who I won't name that possibly may take you on going by their reputation alone, not that I'm saying they relax the rules but it is a firm that doesn't seem to care about customer service, timetables, local authorities, paintwork etc. I shan't name them, but they are based somewhere in the North within reasonable driving distance of Altofts, although you would need to drive to get to them. Should anybody name bus companies following my comment then that's just speculation so I won't confirm anything.

[stephen01]

Jun 26, 2023 17:51:32 GMT 1 joseph said:

You'll have to do a bit of digging but I may have a solution. I wasn't going to suggest this as the firm in question doesn't have the best of reputations (allegedly) but there is one famous firm (again allegedly for all the wrong reasons) who I won't name that possibly may take you on going by their reputation alone, not that I'm saying they relax the rules but it is a firm that doesn't seem to care about customer service, timetables, local authorities, paintwork etc. I shan't name them, but they are based somewhere in the North within reasonable driving distance of Altofts, although you would need to drive to get to them. Should anybody name bus companies following my comment then that's just speculation so I won't confirm anything.

if it's one of the two companies i'm thinking of neither of them will consider him as even they are clamping down on staff standards plus wont be compatible for Bryan's requirements in the first place.

[WYBS]

Jun 26, 2023 17:51:32 GMT 1 joseph said:

You'll have to do a bit of digging but I may have a solution. I wasn't going to suggest this as the firm in question doesn't have the best of reputations (allegedly) but there is one famous firm (again allegedly for all the wrong reasons) who I won't name that possibly may take you on going by their reputation alone, not that I'm saying they relax the rules but it is a firm that doesn't seem to care about customer service, timetables, local authorities, paintwork etc. I shan't name them, but they are based somewhere in the North within reasonable driving distance of Altofts, although you would need to drive to get to them. Should anybody name bus companies following my comment then that's just speculation so I won't confirm anything.

Don't even think John Wayne would work for them.

(Though I have just realised they are in my profile picture lol).

[Father Dougal McGuire]

Have you tried First? If not then I feel like the only other way of driving is with some of the more questionable outfits (not naming any names).

If you got to an interview stage and you are able to explain to them what happened... "it won't happen again"... you're "a changed man"..."learnt from mistakes"... etc then they may give you a chance. I do wish you all the best though as you do seem genuine and that it's just the consequences of poor choices.

[BusmanBry]

Hello NotJoshYouWerLad.

Me and my family would like to thank you for your kind words.

I`d just like to have this noted while i have the chance that my being banned for life from 4 of the operators mentioned was nothing to do with the DR10 i have.

I`ll try and explain again. Southern Vectis ( Isle of Wight ) wont allow me to apply because i had the DR10 applied to start with and they will not employ anyone with any type of Driving criminal code on their licence end of. J&DS Halcrow ( Shetland ) will allow me to apply once the DR10 has expired which is a year from now.

The other companies have banned me due to un precedented circumstances both logistic and health and family fatalities that have occured in recent years. So for me to tell them that i`m guaranteeing it wont happen again and that i`m a changed man wouldn`t really be truthfull as i cannot guarantee that no more family members will die and i cannot guarantee that i`ll be in perfect health everyday for years and years to come and i also cannot guarantee that if i have a car that it wont malfunction at some point thus maki9ng it not possible to attend for my duty as a bus driver.

So there you are, thats about the crux of it.

I`m hoping as are my family that this statement may hopefully make folk on here think differently about me.

Cheers,

Bryan.

[driver6540]

Hello Bryan, hope you and your's are keeping well. Just a suggestion, might it be an idea to try a more "back seat" role to get you back into the PSV industry ?. What i'm thinking is, the bigger companies in WY such as First sometimes have vacancies for bus cleaner's, fuellers, and oilers etc. And from what iv'e seen previously these vacancies when they do pop up are either late shift or night shift which may suit your requirements better. If you could get in doing one of these jobs, then maybe it would put you in pole position to resume a full time driving position once your licence situation is resolved.