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Post by sharksmith on Mar 8, 2023 18:33:30 GMT 1
Can't imagine First would have unilaterally decided to do this, they must have had the blessing of the WYCA.
Just goes to show that if a service isn't being used, it will get cancelled just as quickly no matter who is in control, private company or under public control.
I don't understand why Park & Rides aren't successful. I always tend to use them if they are available, ahead of trying to park in an unfamiliar town or city and paying parking charges.
The Leeds one's seem to have everything going for them. Difficult city to drive around, expensive parking, decent locations with relatively short transfer times.
I guess there is just too large a proportion of the public who will not use a bus under any circumstances. Maybe only fully subsidised completely free park and rides could trigger a shift in thinking.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 8, 2023 18:42:04 GMT 1
I use the Elland Road one fairly regularly on a Saturday and it always fairly decently used. Yes there isn’t 50 passengers per bus, but there can be decent loads
I don’t buy the comment about they might as well withdraw it on a Saturday. Leeds United must play a 3pm kick off on Saturday no more than about 15 times per year
It’s particularly ironic considering Leeds City Council have closed off half the roads to get into the city centre, for the Park and Ride to then be withdrawn
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Post by basher37 on Mar 8, 2023 18:54:29 GMT 1
The park and ride is being withdrawn at weekends??? PR1 & PR2 are, PR3 will be running on Saturdays. PR1 makes sense to drop on a weekend with the amount of times they have to cancel it or cut short for events at Elland Road. Rubbish,Leeds United don’t play home every weekend,this is a totally bizarre decision especially since Leeds is a bus gated city now,the money spent plugging these P&R is totally wasted so expect Leeds to come a gridlocked city on weekends. Wonder what the great actress Tracy Brabin has to spout off about this decision then!!!!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 8, 2023 19:00:40 GMT 1
Do First run the Park and Ride on a commercial basis or do they hold some sort of contract with Metro for an amount of years
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 8, 2023 19:14:12 GMT 1
PR1 & PR2 are, PR3 will be running on Saturdays. PR1 makes sense to drop on a weekend with the amount of times they have to cancel it or cut short for events at Elland Road. Rubbish,Leeds United don’t play home every weekend,this is a totally bizarre decision especially since Leeds is a bus gated city now,the money spent plugging these P&R is totally wasted so expect Leeds to come a gridlocked city on weekends. Wonder what the great actress Tracy Brabin has to spout off about this decision then!!!! I didn't specify just Leeds Utd; i said events as there's concerts there etc.
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Post by twansport on Mar 8, 2023 19:20:20 GMT 1
Do First run the Park and Ride on a commercial basis or do they hold some sort of contract with Metro for an amount of years I cannot remember if First pay or are paid to run the routes but I do recall a capping agreement to encourage passenger growth by First. It was a convo I had pre-Covid
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Post by basher37 on Mar 8, 2023 20:28:43 GMT 1
Rubbish,Leeds United don’t play home every weekend,this is a totally bizarre decision especially since Leeds is a bus gated city now,the money spent plugging these P&R is totally wasted so expect Leeds to come a gridlocked city on weekends. Wonder what the great actress Tracy Brabin has to spout off about this decision then!!!! I didn't specify just Leeds Utd; i said events as there's concerts there etc. Hasn’t been a concert at Elland Road for a while..
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Post by martinsfp on Mar 8, 2023 21:10:26 GMT 1
That's the thing. It's a bit before my time, but I believe that when the 508 used to run the old route (via Stanningley); another route existed covering Intake/ Farsley ect... This is now just a kick in the knackers for everyone in the area. Yes there was the 15 Leeds to Bradford bus route which ran the same route as the current 508 between Stanningley and Dawsons Corner. The 15 service was reduced evenings and no Sundays and got compeltely axed in 2011. Far from its heyday when it used to run from Seacroft via Gipton App, York Rd to Bradford every 15 mins back in the late 1990s into the year 2000! The 15 was every 30 minutes between Bradford and Seacroft, with the 15C between Farsley Cenotaph and Seacroft creating a 15-minute frequency on that section. Evening and Sundays was hourly Bradford to Seacroft via The Gardens in Farsley as the 15A. The 15 replaced the 71 between Bradford and Leeds when the Scott Hall Road guided busway opened in the 1990s, and the 71 was curtailed to run Leeds - Primley Park only. The 15/15A/15C ran via Nippet Lane. I *think* it was the 5, 5B, and Black Prince 88 that ran via Gipton Approach. If only we could go back to the kind of bus network we had back then!
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 8, 2023 21:26:32 GMT 1
I didn't specify just Leeds Utd; i said events as there's concerts there etc. Hasn’t been a concert at Elland Road for a while.. hence why i put etc
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Post by hstjohnny on Mar 8, 2023 21:38:17 GMT 1
Ross Travel changes 125 Withdrawn. 144/146 & 158 are amendments
PB1135403/2 Cancelled (Short notice) ROSS TRAVEL LIMITED Route: Wakefield Bus Station to Pontefract Bus Station Service number: 125 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Apr 2023
PB1135403/3 Registered (Short notice) ROSS TRAVEL LIMITED Route: Wakefied Bus Station to Pontefract Bus Station Service number: 144 (146) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Apr 2023
PB1135403/11 Registered (Short notice) ROSS TRAVEL LIMITED Route: Castleford to Knottingley via Ferrybridge Service number: 158 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Apr 2023
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 8, 2023 21:49:34 GMT 1
Ross Travel changes 125 Withdrawn. 144/146 & 158 are amendments PB1135403/2 Cancelled (Short notice) ROSS TRAVEL LIMITED Route: Wakefield Bus Station to Pontefract Bus Station Service number: 125 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Apr 2023 PB1135403/3 Registered (Short notice) ROSS TRAVEL LIMITED Route: Wakefied Bus Station to Pontefract Bus Station Service number: 144 (146) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Apr 2023 PB1135403/11 Registered (Short notice) ROSS TRAVEL LIMITED Route: Castleford to Knottingley via Ferrybridge Service number: 158 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Apr 2023 125 i'm surprised at as that can have decent numbers
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Post by jonny182 on Mar 8, 2023 21:51:20 GMT 1
Yes there was the 15 Leeds to Bradford bus route which ran the same route as the current 508 between Stanningley and Dawsons Corner. The 15 service was reduced evenings and no Sundays and got compeltely axed in 2011. Far from its heyday when it used to run from Seacroft via Gipton App, York Rd to Bradford every 15 mins back in the late 1990s into the year 2000! The 15 was every 30 minutes between Bradford and Seacroft, with the 15C between Farsley Cenotaph and Seacroft creating a 15-minute frequency on that section. Evening and Sundays was hourly Bradford to Seacroft via The Gardens in Farsley as the 15A. The 15 replaced the 71 between Bradford and Leeds when the Scott Hall Road guided busway opened in the 1990s, and the 71 was curtailed to run Leeds - Primley Park only. The 15/15A/15C ran via Nippet Lane. I *think* it was the 5, 5B, and Black Prince 88 that ran via Gipton Approach. If only we could go back to the kind of bus network we had back then! Thanks for the corrections martinfsp.
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Post by yorkslad on Mar 9, 2023 0:18:56 GMT 1
Do First run the Park and Ride on a commercial basis or do they hold some sort of contract with Metro for an amount of years I cannot remember if First pay or are paid to run the routes but I do recall a capping agreement to encourage passenger growth by First. It was a convo I had pre-Covid I believe that the P&R services are run by First under contract to Leeds. WYCA does all of the back office stuff, Leeds pays for it under whatever agreement they have (it may or may not include a share of the farebox) and the services are integrated into the bus network so that it's a bit more seamless. It's like when you get a developer contribution for a service (even and especially the ones ferrying fresh air around). Or schools services.
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Post by Username on Mar 9, 2023 14:05:35 GMT 1
Seems the PendleWizz change is receiving heavy backlash from is customers.
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Post by hstjohnny on Mar 9, 2023 15:31:42 GMT 1
Stotts Changes, 317 & 388 get the cull, amendment to 911 Meltham Local service
PB0004410/36 Cancelled E STOTT & SONS LTD Route: Almondbury to Lindley, Huddersfield Service number: 317 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 02 Apr 2023
PB0004410/27 Cancelled E STOTT & SONS LTD Route: Meltham Morrisons to Huddersfield Royal Infirmary via Milnsbridge Service number: 388 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 02 Apr 2023
PB0004410/35 Registered E STOTT & SONS LTD Route: Meltham to Meltham Service number: 911 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 02 Apr 2023
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 9, 2023 16:14:22 GMT 1
317 & 388 are tenders so either WYCA have binned them or someone else have won them
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Mar 9, 2023 17:17:06 GMT 1
I'd say Metro have decided to bin them.
When TLC had 317 it was 5 round trips, only one round trip carried more than 6 passengers, the other 4 was usually just the driver.
When TLC handed it back in 2019, it was meant to do one round trip, but Stotts put it into 388 and it started doing 2 round trips
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 9, 2023 17:31:59 GMT 1
317 & 388 are tenders so either WYCA have binned them or someone else have won them Could be either or. If it's retender i can only see South Pennine or Streamline going in for it.
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 9, 2023 22:49:14 GMT 1
At the far end of North Yorkshire - the 80/89 between Northallerton and Stokesley is moving from Abbotts to Coatham Connect next month, with the promise of a better timetable. Abbotts have run the service since at least 2004, and for much of that time it has been their only stage-carriage service.
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 9, 2023 23:02:37 GMT 1
At the far end of North Yorkshire - the 80/89 between Northallerton and Stokesley is moving from Abbotts to Coatham Connect next month, with the promise of a better timetable. Friendlier is not neccessarily better - no doubt 2 hourly rather than the roughly 1 hr 50 interval of the existing and as a result possibly one less working each way
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Post by jimmi on Mar 10, 2023 15:40:19 GMT 1
Friendlier is not neccessarily better - no doubt 2 hourly rather than the roughly 1 hr 50 interval of the existing and as a result possibly one less working each way It's looking that way, supposedly at least some of the trips will link up with the 18 service to/from Guisborough at Stokesley which arrives into Stokesley every 2 hours although some of the departure times differ. Also in that area, from April 17th Reliance has some slight timetable changes on service 70 between Northallerton and Ripon with extra running time added, the 1735 departure from Ripon which is provided by Hodgsons Coaches is seemingly withdrawn: reliancebuses.co.uk/service-70/
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Post by platform5 on Mar 11, 2023 19:19:22 GMT 1
With the 183 withdrawal does that mean the turning circle at Marsden Hard End is effectively redundant ?
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 11, 2023 21:47:11 GMT 1
The other day somebody posted the 86 will replace the missing section of the 508 does anybody have any more info on this as in which route it will take
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Post by WYBS on Mar 11, 2023 22:39:15 GMT 1
The other day somebody posted the 86 will replace the missing section of the 508 does anybody have any more info on this as in which route it will take There's nothing official, and even if it does; it would cut Rodley off even more, as the assumed route would be Calverley lane up to the top of Farsley, maybe terminating at Dawson's corner. Also, if it was to stick to the operating hours of the 86 to Rodley at the moment, it would be completely useless for commuters as the first journey isn't until 09:20 and the last at 15:20. Oh... and the huge thing of it not going to Leeds or Kirkstall... but apart from that it sounds like another cracking idea for WorstBus to try out. I think the outcome of the 508 change will be obvious, it will either return to the route through Farsley or it will be withdrawn altogether. Anyone travelling from Halifax to Leeds is still going to use the train. An hourly service that now cuts out one of its main passenger areas isn't going to be popular. It doesn't take Nostradamus to work that one out.
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 11, 2023 22:51:19 GMT 1
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