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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 12, 2023 12:35:39 GMT 1
Seems that there are some improved local services in Ripon from Sunday although the new North Yorkshire Council isn't that much improved on the old NYCC for information; at least you do not now need to dowload a pdf only to find its not changed. Dales & District are listed along with the council minibus fleet and Saturday journeys are to be introduced. www.northyorks.gov.uk/roads-parking-and-travel/public-transport/bus-service-changes-and-newsRS1 to the western suburbs gets a new route "with additional journeys every half hour" and theire is new RS4 to North Bridge. Those twin bastions of incompetence, North Yorkshire Council and Dales & District, strike again. NYC has only just this week updated its "forthcoming changes" page after a two month wait, less than a week before a raft of changes and after several changes that hadn't been announced in the last update. Neither NYC nor D&D have produced timetables for the new services, but then we would never expect them to actually promote their buses or try to encourage people to use them – fortunately Bustimes has got the gen. - RS1 to Bishopton now run by D&D, increased to hourly Monday to Saturday including peak times (but minus one journey at lunch time) and with an extended route around Bishopton
- RS1 extended beyond the bus station to the new M&S with two journeys per hour, on a 20/40 split
- D&D now running weekday journeys on the RS2 at 0740 and 1735. NYC off-peak timetable unchanged but now also runs on Saturday
- RS3 timetable unchanged but now also runs on Saturday
- New NYC RS4 running three times a day to Ure Bank, Monday to Saturday off-peak
It's all slightly odd, the addition of Saturday journeys is very welcome, but the changes to the RS1 in particular have the whiff of S106 funding to me and I can't see them being maintained beyond that – especially the journey to M&S, which is less than half a mile from the bus station. But because the bus coming in from Bishopton sits and waits in the bus station for 8 minutes before continuing to M&S, and at least as long on the way back, it would be quicker for most people to walk – I really don't see there being any demand for 2 buses per hour between the bus station and M&S! The RS4 looks like it is just filling in time where the bus currently does a loop on the RS1 but won't be needed for that any more.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 12, 2023 17:18:02 GMT 1
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 12, 2023 18:54:52 GMT 1
Question is are they going to bother putting any bus stops and timetable cases up - its a dark art in Ripon knowing there is a bus along a road away from Transdevs routes and even more so where it is actually going to stop. There is an old United flag which might be served by the RS1 on the Kirkby Road (Google streetscene link would not work)
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 12, 2023 19:22:34 GMT 1
NYC are touting it as good news, even though as far as I can see they have got square root of sod all to do with it, it's all developer S106 and the city council who have put the money up for it. Slightly worrying that, according to the article, "Ripon City Council has been working on the plans for five years" ... what have they been doing for 5 years, washing cars at the weekend to raise the money? NYC have excelled themselves today, tweeting about it with #Rippon (sic), and on the linked web page it says "The timetables will be live from Monday next week (17 April)" as though that it is something to be proud of when they've had 6 weeks since the routes were registered to produce timetables before the launch but they just couldn't be bothered.
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 12, 2023 19:25:56 GMT 1
Question is are they going to bother putting any bus stops and timetable cases up - its a dark art in Ripon knowing there is a bus along a road away from Transdevs routes and even more so where it is actually going to stop. There is an old United flag which might be served by the RS1 on the Kirkby Road (Google streetscene link would not work) No point in putting any infrastructure in place, the routes will be a faint memory in 25 months after the S106 funding has run out. They've never bothered with flags for any of the Ripon city services before – although there are registered stops, it appears to run on a hail-and-ride basis, assuming you can divine which roads it runs along, which they won't tell you anywhere – so unlikely they will do anything remotely useful or constructive now.
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 12, 2023 20:23:16 GMT 1
Not sure on the accuracy of the bustimes info - the RS1 is meant to be serving a new housing development not the middle of nowhere en route to the (closed?) Army Barracks which the listed Chatham Road timing point would imply.
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 12, 2023 21:19:33 GMT 1
Not sure on the accuracy of the bustimes info - the RS1 is meant to be serving a new housing development not the middle of nowhere en route to the (closed?) Army Barracks which the listed Chatham Road timing point would imply. Seems reasonable to me. The new housing development is off Clotherholme Road – but it doesn't look like it would be particularly suitable to run a bus through the estate, so running on the road past the estate and then turning round at that crossroads is probably the best option.
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Post by joseph on Apr 13, 2023 10:00:04 GMT 1
Metro seem to have created a change for the 61/A in Leeds for some strange reason. In the changing times book it states the 61 will have an extra journey from Hunslet at 08.20, and on the timetable they've deleted the 08.16 61A adding in this so called extra 61 at 08.20. I was a bit confused when they announced in the booklet that an 08.20 journey would be operating with the 08.16 not withdrawn, so with Yorkshire Travel not mentioning anything I recon Metro have bizzarly got this one very wrong!
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Post by selbybus on Apr 13, 2023 17:57:10 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 21:13:57 GMT 1
Metro seem to have created a change for the 61/A in Leeds for some strange reason. In the changing times book it states the 61 will have an extra journey from Hunslet at 08.20, and on the timetable they've deleted the 08.16 61A adding in this so called extra 61 at 08.20. I was a bit confused when they announced in the booklet that an 08.20 journey would be operating with the 08.16 not withdrawn, so with Yorkshire Travel not mentioning anything I recon Metro have bizzarly got this one very wrong! It is an extra 61 as it didn’t previously run as a 61 so hardly wrong is it?
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 15, 2023 10:33:52 GMT 1
Cannot find any trace of a timetable change but have seen Connexions X52s following the new 36 from Leeds route to Harrogate Bus Station.
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Post by WYBS on Apr 15, 2023 10:57:54 GMT 1
Cannot find any trace of a timetable change but have seen Connexions X52s following the new 36 from Leeds route to Harrogate Bus Station. I can't find a service change that states that the 923 officially no longer serves Scarcroft; but you'll be hard pressed to board one there.
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Post by SF07 on Apr 17, 2023 17:22:34 GMT 1
Nexus Move's journey to/from Marsden on the 184 will be re-routed to run via the new First WY route between Standedge and Marsden Peel Street via Hard End instead of along the A62 from tonight (17 April). PC0004977/8 Registered (Short notice) NEXUS MOVE LTD Route: Oldham Bus Station to Marsden, Peel Street via Grotton Service number: 184 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 16 Apr 2023 Vary route. bustimes.org/services/184-oldham-marsden
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 20, 2023 20:50:26 GMT 1
Well it might not have been released until the day of the change but at least North Yorkshire Council have made a more significant piece of publicity than North Yorkshire County Council ever managed with a nicely produced leaflet for the Ripon city services. northyorkstravel.info/timetable/RSapr23.pdfMaybe some reference to other services could have been incorporated - the RS4 route being duplicated overall by Transdev 23, Reliance 70 and Dales & District 159.
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Post by rossbailey on Apr 29, 2023 10:26:07 GMT 1
Can't see the 508 lasting much longer, since the April service changes I've seen it numerous times running virtually empty weekday daytime on the Stanningley Bypass into and out off Leeds following the X6 or X11
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Post by mattb7tl on Apr 29, 2023 11:12:42 GMT 1
Can't see the 508 lasting much longer, since the April service changes I've seen it numerous times running virtually empty weekday daytime on the Stanningley Bypass into and out off Leeds following the X6 or X11 Agreed. However, there’s a large petition with hundreds of people signing for the original route to return. I feel like the route may just end up changing operators rather than disappearing all together. It would be a great route for a certain independent company that has been eating up their cut routes
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Post by Username on Apr 29, 2023 12:42:31 GMT 1
Can't see the 508 lasting much longer, since the April service changes I've seen it numerous times running virtually empty weekday daytime on the Stanningley Bypass into and out off Leeds following the X6 or X11 Agreed. However, there’s a large petition with hundreds of people signing for the original route to return. I feel like the route may just end up changing operators rather than disappearing all together. It would be a great route for a certain independent company that has been eating up their cut routes Would like to see Team Pennine get this and bring back the half hourly frequency. Maybe they can time it to leave Leeds every 15 minutes combined with the Aireline.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 30, 2023 9:37:19 GMT 1
Agreed. However, there’s a large petition with hundreds of people signing for the original route to return. I feel like the route may just end up changing operators rather than disappearing all together. It would be a great route for a certain independent company that has been eating up their cut routes Would like to see Team Pennine get this and bring back the half hourly frequency. Maybe they can time it to leave Leeds every 15 minutes combined with the Aireline. Not going to happen
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Post by steve440 on Apr 30, 2023 9:53:29 GMT 1
Would like to see Team Pennine get this and bring back the half hourly frequency. Maybe they can time it to leave Leeds every 15 minutes combined with the Aireline. Not going to happen Team Pennine are not in a position to take anything off anybody, more likely to be the other way around.
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Post by mattb7tl on Apr 30, 2023 10:53:51 GMT 1
Team Pennine are not in a position to take anything off anybody, more likely to be the other way around. I don’t know about that I mean when that statement came about with them losing money. The only depot was York. The CEO vanishing is strange but they wouldn’t pass up on a good opportunity. I was more referring to Yorkshire Buses, it would be nice to see them gain a more hefty bus route.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 30, 2023 12:00:11 GMT 1
Team Pennine are not in a position to take anything off anybody, more likely to be the other way around. Exactly but there still seems to be this reputation among some enthusiasts that Transdev are going to come in and launch new services especially one that need lots of resource On the topic of the 508 allegedly running empty, does that mean nobody uses it from the Halifax and Bradford side towards Leeds anymore, as those passengers would still be travelling whatever route it goes after Dawsons Corner
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Post by WYBS on Apr 30, 2023 13:20:52 GMT 1
Team Pennine are not in a position to take anything off anybody, more likely to be the other way around. Exactly but there still seems to be this reputation among some enthusiasts that Transdev are going to come in and launch new services especially one that need lots of resource On the topic of the 508 allegedly running empty, does that mean nobody uses it from the Halifax and Bradford side towards Leeds anymore, as those passengers would still be travelling whatever route it goes after Dawsons Corner In all the years I've used the 508, I have always noticed that there really aren't that many people who use it between Halifax and Dawsons Corner into Leeds. Most of the passengers boarded between Dawsons Corner and Leeds (Farsley, Intake, Leeds & Bradford Road and Kirkstall).
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 11:19:49 GMT 1
Exactly but there still seems to be this reputation among some enthusiasts that Transdev are going to come in and launch new services especially one that need lots of resource On the topic of the 508 allegedly running empty, does that mean nobody uses it from the Halifax and Bradford side towards Leeds anymore, as those passengers would still be travelling whatever route it goes after Dawsons Corner In all the years I've used the 508, I have always noticed that there really aren't that many people who use it between Halifax and Dawsons Corner into Leeds. Most of the passengers boarded between Dawsons Corner and Leeds (Farsley, Intake, Leeds & Bradford Road and Kirkstall). Whilst it's not ideal only one road is not served on the 508 by another bus or route from Dawsons Corner all the way into Leeds, arguably Kirkstall Road is over-bussed anyways, Dawsons Corner and Bradford Road there is the 72, at Farsley the 16, the 60 then covers the rest apart from Calverly Lane which is the only road without a bus along it of some description.
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