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Post by kendall17 on Jan 11, 2023 0:19:18 GMT 1
Taken from cllr Cohen for Alwoodley
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Post by peteleeds on Jan 11, 2023 15:04:17 GMT 1
Does make you wonder would it not be easier to terminate in bus station. 51/52 could come in down side of market and numbers 38/39 via Eastgate. Lot nicer place to interchange as protection from weather isn't best on eastgate
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 11, 2023 16:45:59 GMT 1
Does make you wonder would it not be easier to terminate in bus station. 51/52 could come in down side of market and numbers 38/39 via Eastgate. Lot nicer place to interchange as protection from weather isn't best on eastgate Nicer, yes. Costlier for First though.
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Post by allrounder on Jan 11, 2023 18:25:13 GMT 1
Great idea
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Post by nic on Jan 12, 2023 0:00:25 GMT 1
Does make you wonder would it not be easier to terminate in bus station. 51/52 could come in down side of market and numbers 38/39 via Eastgate. Lot nicer place to interchange as protection from weather isn't best on eastgate Nicer, yes. Costlier for First though. Why costlier? It's literally 30 more seconds and in the bus station. Unless there is a charge for buses in the bus station.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 0:50:24 GMT 1
Nicer, yes. Costlier for First though. Why costlier? It's literally 30 more seconds and in the bus station. Unless there is a charge for buses in the bus station. Yes Metro charge a departure fee (about 60p per departure), also as your suggestion routes 51/2 use York Street to get to the Bus Station, as traffic can be bad on that section it would take alot longer than 30 seconds for most of the day. I Think Eastgate is the best option for the time being, although if/when we start to see routes return to pre-covid frequencies i could see it possibly needing to move again, as that used to be a busy area for buses
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Post by nic on Jan 12, 2023 17:17:50 GMT 1
Why costlier? It's literally 30 more seconds and in the bus station. Unless there is a charge for buses in the bus station. Yes Metro charge a departure fee (about 60p per departure), also as your suggestion routes 51/2 use York Street to get to the Bus Station, as traffic can be bad on that section it would take alot longer than 30 seconds for most of the day. I Think Eastgate is the best option for the time being, although if/when we start to see routes return to pre-covid frequencies i could see it possibly needing to move again, as that used to be a busy area for buses You learn something new everyday. Seems excessive tbh. I'm surprised they have the 6/8 terminate at Leeds bus station tbh but different subject. 30 seconds was a throw away statement as it is approx a minute to walk. If the council, god the useless incapable council, but none the less council and traffic management actually did traffic light flow properly it would work. With correct timings between departures and arrivals (15 minute Frequency, 10 minute dwell in LCBS) it could work. I'm surprised they are not suggesting looping it round the centre the 51/52 and 38/39 over an Eastgate terminus.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 18:10:50 GMT 1
Yes Metro charge a departure fee (about 60p per departure), also as your suggestion routes 51/2 use York Street to get to the Bus Station, as traffic can be bad on that section it would take alot longer than 30 seconds for most of the day. I Think Eastgate is the best option for the time being, although if/when we start to see routes return to pre-covid frequencies i could see it possibly needing to move again, as that used to be a busy area for buses You learn something new everyday. Seems excessive tbh. I'm surprised they have the 6/8 terminate at Leeds bus station tbh but different subject. 30 seconds was a throw away statement as it is approx a minute to walk. If the council, god the useless incapable council, but none the less council and traffic management actually did traffic light flow properly it would work. With correct timings between departures and arrivals (15 minute Frequency, 10 minute dwell in LCBS) it could work. I'm surprised they are not suggesting looping it round the centre the 51/52 and 38/39 over an Eastgate terminus. The prices Leeds (& W Yorks as whole) charge are actually fairly cheap, most other areas charge closer to £1-£1.20 I Agree with you over the poor traffic flow but it's the same across all of the city centre - that's probably why they've not had both routes doing a city centre loop as it would take more drivers/vehicles.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 12, 2023 18:51:29 GMT 1
People in Leeds are very much used to local city buses not using the bus station. If they served the bus station, no doubt it’d depart near empty and then pick up loads on street anyway
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jan 13, 2023 9:09:54 GMT 1
The prices Leeds (& W Yorks as whole) charge are actually fairly cheap, most other areas charge closer to £1-£1.20 I Agree with you over the poor traffic flow but it's the same across all of the city centre - that's probably why they've not had both routes doing a city centre loop as it would take more drivers/vehicles. Not really, 60p is about par for a bus station departure charge generally. Greater Manchester is around 70p so it may be competitive against neighbouring PTEs but it sits around most looking more widely. Even our most expensive charges in the shire counties are still below £1 per departure, the only bus station I have ever seen above that was National Express from Chorlton Street which was charging several pounds per departure a number of years ago (which probably explains why Transdev run from outside) but local authorities don't get that high. It was only a couple of years ago that anything above 50p per departure was considered expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 15:13:28 GMT 1
The prices Leeds (& W Yorks as whole) charge are actually fairly cheap, most other areas charge closer to £1-£1.20 I Agree with you over the poor traffic flow but it's the same across all of the city centre - that's probably why they've not had both routes doing a city centre loop as it would take more drivers/vehicles. Not really, 60p is about par for a bus station departure charge generally. Greater Manchester is around 70p so it may be competitive against neighbouring PTEs but it sits around most looking more widely. Even our most expensive charges in the shire counties are still below £1 per departure, the only bus station I have ever seen above that was National Express from Chorlton Street which was charging several pounds per departure a number of years ago (which probably explains why Transdev run from outside) but local authorities don't get that high. It was only a couple of years ago that anything above 50p per departure was considered expensive. Ah i didn't know about the Greater Manchester prices, the ones i was comparing it against was Preston (85p) Glasgow (£1.05) Exeter (£1.10) Edinburgh (£1.18) Bath (£1.70) - The most expensive one i know about is Bristol at £4.19
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 13, 2023 18:04:56 GMT 1
Kind of off topic but it is so lovely to see first attempt to improve their routes, it has been a while. Not sure what changed in the last couple of months, but I’m really appreciating their increased efforts.
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Post by nic on Jan 13, 2023 18:31:06 GMT 1
Would you call it an improvement on through traffic? They clearly have the data available to hand that indicates that there is quite a number of north-south routings. Otherwise highlighting the fact they will accept through tickets wouldn't of been put within the email body.
To me a good way of improving routes is to have plenty absorption time at either end. I get it is not an efficient use of resource having a bus sat at either end of the route for 10 minutes but that is crucial to maintaining a on time performance. I also get that just because a bus departs on time at terminus delays do happen across the whole route but still firmly believe that is best way to improve performance.
Will this be the first in "improvements" in the cross city routes actually using the city centre as terminus. 2/12/13/3 combo. If anything it's the East to West routes that need looking at - 50/50A, 4, 16.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 17, 2023 9:06:14 GMT 1
It’s a good job Brandon Jones put “he/him”, I’d never have known otherwise.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 17, 2023 9:56:42 GMT 1
It’s a good job Brandon Jones put “he/him”, I’d never have known otherwise. 🙄 narrow-mindedness at it's finest.
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 17, 2023 10:27:38 GMT 1
It’s a good job Brandon Jones put “he/him”, I’d never have known otherwise. 🙄 narrow-mindedness at it's finest. Wokeness is indeed narrow minded!
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Post by stantheman on Jan 17, 2023 11:21:12 GMT 1
Apologies, I didn’t mean to take this thread off topic, I should have known better.
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Post by yorkslad on Jan 17, 2023 22:13:07 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I was more interested in their choice of route numbers!
And, perhaps, some of the routes could do with being chopped up if it improves reliability. The only issues for Leeds would be that it's difficult to do a loop everywhere in the city centre, and it's difficult to turn round in the city centre with the recent changes. I'd certainly look at the 4/4G, 16/16A and 19/19A. Subject for a different thread, perhaps... I'll start one.
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Post by nic on Jan 17, 2023 23:21:15 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I was more interested in their choice of route numbers! And, perhaps, some of the routes could do with being chopped up if it improves reliability. The only issues for Leeds would be that it's difficult to do a loop everywhere in the city centre, and it's difficult to turn round in the city centre with the recent changes. I'd certainly look at the 4/4G, 16/16A and 19/19A. Subject for a different thread, perhaps... I'll start one. You've got the council to thank for that. Idiots lot of them.
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Post by nic on Feb 14, 2023 13:29:30 GMT 1
Any update on this?
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Post by peteleeds on Feb 20, 2023 8:15:43 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I was more interested in their choice of route numbers! And, perhaps, some of the routes could do with being chopped up if it improves reliability. The only issues for Leeds would be that it's difficult to do a loop everywhere in the city centre, and it's difficult to turn round in the city centre with the recent changes. I'd certainly look at the 4/4G, 16/16A and 19/19A. Subject for a different thread, perhaps... I'll start one. Only issue with severing cross city links is some are really useful like serving st james or Chapel allerton hospitals
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Post by ladyreb on Mar 31, 2023 1:11:43 GMT 1
Can’t believe this is happening. What about those people who travel from Moor Allerton to Morley ?? So I now have to catch 2 buses and add more time onto my travel . I’m a shift worker also, so start at 7:30am some days and finish at 9:30pm others. I now have to wait in town at night on my own. I may have to leave my job because of this. My Anxiety is through the roof .
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Post by joseph on Mar 31, 2023 5:32:30 GMT 1
Can’t believe this is happening. What about those people who travel from Moor Allerton to Morley ?? So I now have to catch 2 buses and add more time onto my travel . I’m a shift worker also, so start at 7:30am some days and finish at 9:30pm others. I now have to wait in town at night on my own. I may have to leave my job because of this. My Anxiety is through the roof . No offence but what about those who need to change in town anyway and need the 51/2 to be a lot more reliable so they can make connections for work? I live in Beeston and mostly work in the Richmond Hill area but am frequently assigned to cover elsewhere like everybody else in the company, so my operating area where I am asked to cover also includes Harewood/Alwoodley, Wetherby, Whinmoor/Seacroft, Cross Gates, Chapel Allerton and part of Meanwood. Would love to have a through bus but that would be asking for reliability to suffer. Service 1 which is nearest to my home is so unreliable that I only catch it if I can't be bothered walking down the 99 steps to Elland Road, and I'll only catch a 51/2 if I notice people suddenly start to move for it, even the P&R can be unreliable but it's a dam site better than the 1, 51 and 52!
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Post by ladyreb on Mar 31, 2023 7:28:06 GMT 1
Can’t believe this is happening. What about those people who travel from Moor Allerton to Morley ?? So I now have to catch 2 buses and add more time onto my travel . I’m a shift worker also, so start at 7:30am some days and finish at 9:30pm others. I now have to wait in town at night on my own. I may have to leave my job because of this. My Anxiety is through the roof . No offence but what about those who need to change in town anyway and need the 51/2 to be a lot more reliable so they can make connections for work? I live in Beeston and mostly work in the Richmond Hill area but am frequently assigned to cover elsewhere like everybody else in the company, so my operating area where I am asked to cover also includes Harewood/Alwoodley, Wetherby, Whinmoor/Seacroft, Cross Gates, Chapel Allerton and part of Meanwood. Would love to have a through bus but that would be asking for reliability to suffer. Service 1 which is nearest to my home is so unreliable that I only catch it if I can't be bothered walking down the 99 steps to Elland Road, and I'll only catch a 51/2 if I notice people suddenly start to move for it, even the P&R can be unreliable but it's a dam site better than the 1, 51 and 52! I’m just having a rant Joseph. I’ve been very lucky for the last 10 years with having a direct bus to work. I know it makes the service unreliable, but once I was on it , that was it. I’m worried about being in town alone at 10pm due to an incident happening to me .
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Post by edmundwells on Mar 31, 2023 8:56:53 GMT 1
I’m worried about being in town alone at 10pm due to an incident happening to me . If it helps, both 38/39 and 51/2 will use the same stop at the bottom of Eastgate, and that location is far enough away from any idiots - drunken or otherwise. There'll be others waiting for the bus too.
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