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Post by peppy89 on Jan 5, 2023 21:49:49 GMT 1
Haha that goes to show how much metro know as first south yorkshire hasn't operated the 30 for about 10 years or more lol its operated by tm travel, its strange how the 30 in West yorkshire is under contract to metro yet they don't know nothing about it yet they paying for the service l, it's laughable
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Post by Tom on Jan 10, 2023 15:25:22 GMT 1
I was working around there, and I was there for a good 2 hours, and an ex. CTPlus Gemini was sat there when I got there, and when I left, in the same spot. I did wonder if it was actually going to move. from the looks of this thread, it sounds like it didn't.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 10, 2023 18:48:15 GMT 1
What are the identities of these Gemini’s they’ve got. I thought they only had Presidents
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Post by Mr D Roebuck-Johnson on Jan 12, 2023 14:26:06 GMT 1
Sent metro 14 examples of the bus not operating last week. Their response
“Thank you for contacting the Combined Authority regarding service 30.
We are not aware of any issues with this service on the dates you mention, but if you can provide further details, we can pass this on to the operator for them to reply to you directly.
The 30 service is a tendered service, and it is funded by the developers of the Horsforth Vale Clarient Development.
We cannot help you further on this occasion.
Kind Regards
On behalf of Bus Services West Yorkshire Combined Authority
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What further details do they need !!!!!!!
Honestly this organisation is as bad as A+A !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 15:15:41 GMT 1
Least that confirms what i said a couple of pages ago over the funding of the service - Why should Metro care when they don't pay for it? Of course the development company don't care, they just need to fund the service, not oversee that it actually runs.
On the 'plus side' (depending on how you look at it) these types of services with S106 funding normally get withdrawn once the funding pot runs out,so give it a few more years & you won't need to worry about it anyway.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 12, 2023 16:10:32 GMT 1
It might be time to complain to the Traffic Commissioner. Pass them your list of trips that haven't run and keep keeping a list.
Disappointing that Metro are taking that attitude - I'd understand it if it was one trip, but not when it seems to be most journeys.
I might also suggest talking to local media, councillors and your MP.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 12, 2023 21:21:02 GMT 1
Ll Of course the development company don't care, they just need to fund the service, not oversee that it actually runs. If I was paying something for a service (whether I was forced to fund it or not) I'd still want value for money. I'd send them an email to see if they're interested first.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 21:58:58 GMT 1
Ll Of course the development company don't care, they just need to fund the service, not oversee that it actually runs. If I was paying something for a service (whether I was forced to fund it or not) I'd still want value for money. I'd send them an email to see if they're interested first. It Depends how you define 'value for money', for the developers it more than likely would of been to tick a box in getting the plans approved at the lowest cost rather than making sure they are providing a reliable service.
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Post by daveshipley on Jan 15, 2023 21:46:21 GMT 1
There’s a picture in buses magazine of the 30 with a decker.
Was running that day 😂
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Post by WYBS on Jan 15, 2023 21:54:56 GMT 1
There’s a picture in buses magazine of the 30 with a decker. Was running that day 😂 Is it my photo of a red president going up out of Calverley by any chance? I sent it off to them a while back but received no response. I don't usually buy the magazine.
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Post by daveshipley on Jan 15, 2023 22:37:01 GMT 1
No mate it’s not that one.
Does anyone know where the depot is nowadays ? Apparently they have a bus or two living in Leeds now ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 22:50:37 GMT 1
No mate it’s not that one. Does anyone know where the depot is nowadays ? Apparently they have a bus or two living in Leeds now ? Their licence shows 3 vehicles at Marshall St in Holbeck, the licence has also been curtailed (reducing how many buses they can operate) - Wonder if that is connected to the recent missing services? www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/523253
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Post by WYBS on Jan 15, 2023 23:18:49 GMT 1
No mate it’s not that one. Does anyone know where the depot is nowadays ? Apparently they have a bus or two living in Leeds now ? Their licence shows 3 vehicles at Marshall St in Holbeck, the licence has also been curtailed (reducing how many buses they can operate) - Wonder if that is connected to the recent missing services? www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/523253I have seen Presidents from the 30 running dead back towards York on the new East Leeds Orbital Route, so I'm not convinced they run that service from Holbeck.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 16, 2023 13:27:16 GMT 1
The other operating centre on that licence is to the south-west of Harrogate and no where near York (or Broroughbridge)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 16, 2023 13:42:30 GMT 1
I have seen Presidents from the 30 running dead back towards York on the new East Leeds Orbital Route, so I'm not convinced they run that service from Holbeck. They run school services at Boston Spa, Harrogate, Garforth and Tadcaster the off peak day board interworks with a school The all day one probably shouldn't but according to this thread probably does
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 21:56:46 GMT 1
It isn't, they weren't called up on S.26 at the public inquiry - it was only for S.28 (usually maintenance issues) I Was meaning the reduction in how many vehicles they can operate could be one of the reasons why there is missing services on route 30 due to other work that needs covering with less vehicles.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 20, 2023 11:39:30 GMT 1
It isn't, they weren't called up on S.26 at the public inquiry - it was only for S.28 (usually maintenance issues) I Was meaning the reduction in how many vehicles they can operate could be one of the reasons why there is missing services on route 30 due to other work that needs covering with less vehicles. It shouldn't. If the Traffic Commissioner requires fewer buses on the license and that's not enough to run all their services, they'd be expected to deregister some or be back in front of them very shortly afterwards.
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Post by roilshead on Jan 22, 2023 23:32:39 GMT 1
I'm going to give the 30 another go this coming Wednesday, off-peak (as they seem to be the only journeys run, with one bus between schools I presume) - I'll let the forum know of my experience.
I've written to "Buses" to point out that the photographer was bloody lucky to capture one of their vehicles or had camped out for some time given their history of non-operation, to highlight their interesting approach to customer relations, and contact with the TC.
Is this the future for marginal services? As larger and higher quality operators walk away from low margin contracts and tendering authorities find themselves increasingly strapped for cash is it going to become a case of "beggars can't be choosers" where poor quality "operators" (and I use that word in its broadest meaning, as that's one thing A&A seem to be particularly poor it) are the only players and options?
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Post by WYBS on Jan 22, 2023 23:46:49 GMT 1
I'm going to give the 30 another go this coming Wednesday, off-peak (as they seem to be the only journeys run, with one bus between schools I presume) - I'll let the forum know of my experience. I've written to "Buses" to point out that the photographer was bloody lucky to capture one of their vehicles or had camped out for some time given their history of non-operation, to highlight their interesting approach to customer relations, and contact with the TC. Is this the future for marginal services? As larger and higher quality operators walk away from low margin contracts and tendering authorities find themselves increasingly strapped for cash is it going to become a case of "beggars can't be choosers" where poor quality "operators" (and I use that word in its broadest meaning, as that's one thing A&A seem to be particularly poor it) are the only players and options? I think it mostly has to do with it (seemingly) being funded by the private developer; with Metro having very littlw knowledge of its existence, as proved by this thread. If it was a properly tendered Metro route then maybe there would be more of a fuss when journeys don't run and there would be more consequences to be feared by the operator. Just a thought.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 23, 2023 11:38:24 GMT 1
I'm going to give the 30 another go this coming Wednesday, off-peak (as they seem to be the only journeys run, with one bus between schools I presume) - I'll let the forum know of my experience. I've written to "Buses" to point out that the photographer was bloody lucky to capture one of their vehicles or had camped out for some time given their history of non-operation, to highlight their interesting approach to customer relations, and contact with the TC. Is this the future for marginal services? As larger and higher quality operators walk away from low margin contracts and tendering authorities find themselves increasingly strapped for cash is it going to become a case of "beggars can't be choosers" where poor quality "operators" (and I use that word in its broadest meaning, as that's one thing A&A seem to be particularly poor it) are the only players and options? I think it mostly has to do with it (seemingly) being funded by the private developer; with Metro having very little knowledge of its existence, as proved by this thread. If it was a properly tendered Metro route then maybe there would be more of a fuss when journeys don't run and there would be more consequences to be feared by the operator. Just a thought. As the organisation responsible for encouraging the use of public transport as well as funding it, I'd expect them to be interested in any services, whether they're funding them or not. They don't have many powers, but they can talk to them and, if needed, refer them to the Traffic Commissioner. If passengers are put off using buses, it's often not just one service they stop using.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2023 17:45:06 GMT 1
I think it mostly has to do with it (seemingly) being funded by the private developer; with Metro having very little knowledge of its existence, as proved by this thread. If it was a properly tendered Metro route then maybe there would be more of a fuss when journeys don't run and there would be more consequences to be feared by the operator. Just a thought. As the organisation responsible for encouraging the use of public transport as well as funding it, I'd expect them to be interested in any services, whether they're funding them or not. They don't have many powers, but they can talk to them and, if needed, refer them to the Traffic Commissioner. If passengers are put off using buses, it's often not just one service they stop using. To be fair to Metro/WYCA,at a time where the larger companies are missing 100s of journeys on main routes across the county plus train companies also cancelling journeys, I think they would be opening themselves upto criticism if they decided to focus on the missing journeys of a little used former minibus route where most journeys are barely 15 mins long.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 23, 2023 18:32:08 GMT 1
As the organisation responsible for encouraging the use of public transport as well as funding it, I'd expect them to be interested in any services, whether they're funding them or not. They don't have many powers, but they can talk to them and, if needed, refer them to the Traffic Commissioner. If passengers are put off using buses, it's often not just one service they stop using. To be fair to Metro/WYCA,at a time where the larger companies are missing 100s of journeys on main routes across the county plus train companies also cancelling journeys, I think they would be opening themselves upto criticism if they decided to focus on the missing journeys of a little used former minibus route where most journeys are barely 15 mins long. I'd suggest they should record all those that are reported to them, not focussing on anyone. And, whilst it's annoying when you've to wait 15 minutes when a trip is missed on a major route, it's less annoying than a route not running at all, with no notice.
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Post by roilshead on Jan 25, 2023 20:38:37 GMT 1
Well, 12:57 from Troy to Pudsey didn't run today. Another e-mail to Metro . . .
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Post by o539 on Jan 30, 2023 15:02:45 GMT 1
I had a walk and wait around on 27/01/23 to see if the service was running, however I don't think there was any buses at all as no services between 15:10 and 16:30 turned up.
I can understand the bus being late as the traffic around Fink hill and the ring road is honestly horrendous, that area is a massive bottleneck for the service. And I can understand the problems that the tight timetable might cause as it does not account for any lateness or the horrendous traffic, since the rest time of the bus at each terminus is only a few minutes, which is not enough to ensure a punctual service by any means.
However, all of that does not excuse the complete lack of services that is happening on such a frequent basis, as many of you have already said. When the service restarted with A&A I expected better, particularly as it is a private operator.
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