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Post by kendall17 on Aug 29, 2022 19:13:41 GMT 1
How reliable is the bustimes info? Reason I ask is you've gone from 86/87 making changes to allow school runs to full cancellation within a month. Will we see new registrations in a few days like we sometimes do? It's pretty reliable, it mentions on any timetable that it comes from open bus data from the DfT. So we can see new registrations days later as seen previously. Not saying it's likely, but is possible.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 29, 2022 19:19:13 GMT 1
How reliable is the bustimes info? Reason I ask is you've gone from 86/87 making changes to allow school runs to full cancellation within a month. Will we see new registrations in a few days like we sometimes do? it's direct from the op licence
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Post by kommie123 on Aug 29, 2022 19:22:56 GMT 1
Is there a link to all these changes. I notice that the 64 says Middleton to Aberford.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 29, 2022 19:27:14 GMT 1
How reliable is the bustimes info? Reason I ask is you've gone from 86/87 making changes to allow school runs to full cancellation within a month. Will we see new registrations in a few days like we sometimes do? It's pretty reliable, it mentions on any timetable that it comes from open bus data from the DfT. The list of registration changes doesn’t come from there though, it comes from the traffic commissioners. There is no way of knowing if the person inputting the registrations went home on Friday with a clear desk or with a stack of registrations still to input
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 29, 2022 19:28:35 GMT 1
I did wonder upthread if the First deregistrations were because they thought the Bus Recovery Grant was ending. But even if they all get reinstated it's interesting to see what commercial routes they think they could get away with sacrificing, such as all of the Cottingley (Leeds) services.
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Post by peter44 on Aug 29, 2022 19:51:50 GMT 1
If Transdev are hinting on twitter about taking on the X98/99, then it certainly seems likely that these changes are going ahead.
Many other operators across the country are going ahead with severe cuts in October despite the funding extension being announced
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Post by joseph on Aug 29, 2022 20:06:29 GMT 1
Do operators legally have to go ahead with any changes once they notify the TC or can they withdraw the change? Noticed recently the Trans Peak was set for withdrawal from Derby to Matlock then suddenly got reinstated overnight once some cash was found by local councils to keep it running.
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Post by jonny182 on Aug 29, 2022 20:50:56 GMT 1
I really hope these are just rumours! Every single bus route that I rely on for work and appointments are withdrawn from this list! Does anyone know for sure whether or not this is just a mistake with someone mistyping or missing out the route registration/changes for October? Changes now on BusTimes for First First Leeds 11/11A: Withdrawn 14: Revised timetable and route (X14 withdrawn) 15: Timetable Changes 19/19A: Revised route and amended timetable 27: Revised timetable with new route 27A covering the section of withdrawn 33 between Rawden Crossroads and Guiseley 33: Revised to operate between Leeds and Horsforth only - the section between Rawden Crossroads and Guiseley will be covered by new route 27A and 34, timetable changes 46/47/47A: Withdrawn 55/55C: Withdrawn 64: Withdrawn 74: Will terminate at Middleton Sharp House 75: Terminus moved to Sharp House to cover withdrawn section of 74 and timetable changes 86/87: Withdrawn X26/X27: Withdrawn X84: Withdrawn between Otley and Ilkley 85: Withdrawn 91: Timetable Change X98/99: Withdrawn First Huddersfield 181: Timetable Changes 183: Will terminate at Marsden Fall Lane 185: Timetable Changes 186: Withdrawn 308: Withdrawn between Bradshaw Road and (it says Honley but I assume means Holmfirth) 310: Timetable Changes 314: Timetable Changes 323: Withdrawn 324: Minor timetable revision 327/327A/360: Withdrawn 342: Withdrawn 356: Revised timetable 387: Timetable Changes First Halifax 508: Revised route and timetable 509-513: 509/513 withdrawn, 510/11/12: Timetable Change and Re-route 521/22/23: Revised timetable 539: Withdrawn 540/1/2: 540 is a new route, 541 withdrawn, 542 amended route and timetable 548: Withdrawn 549: Timetable amendments 571: Withdrawn 586: Timetable Revision First Bradford: 256: First journeys withdrawn (presumably re-contracted) 610: Withdrawn 611: Withdrawn 612/13/14: Timetable and route changes 615: Withdrawn 616/619: Withdrawn 630: Timetable Changes 633: Timetable Changes 671: Withdrawn 686: Timetable Changes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 21:08:07 GMT 1
I really hope these are just rumours! Every single bus route that I rely on for work and appointments are withdrawn from this list! Does anyone know for sure whether or not this is just a mistake with someone mistyping or missing out the route registration/changes for October? Changes now on BusTimes for First First Leeds 11/11A: Withdrawn 14: Revised timetable and route (X14 withdrawn) 15: Timetable Changes 19/19A: Revised route and amended timetable 27: Revised timetable with new route 27A covering the section of withdrawn 33 between Rawden Crossroads and Guiseley 33: Revised to operate between Leeds and Horsforth only - the section between Rawden Crossroads and Guiseley will be covered by new route 27A and 34, timetable changes 46/47/47A: Withdrawn 55/55C: Withdrawn 64: Withdrawn 74: Will terminate at Middleton Sharp House 75: Terminus moved to Sharp House to cover withdrawn section of 74 and timetable changes 86/87: Withdrawn X26/X27: Withdrawn X84: Withdrawn between Otley and Ilkley 85: Withdrawn 91: Timetable Change X98/99: Withdrawn First Huddersfield 181: Timetable Changes 183: Will terminate at Marsden Fall Lane 185: Timetable Changes 186: Withdrawn 308: Withdrawn between Bradshaw Road and (it says Honley but I assume means Holmfirth) 310: Timetable Changes 314: Timetable Changes 323: Withdrawn 324: Minor timetable revision 327/327A/360: Withdrawn 342: Withdrawn 356: Revised timetable 387: Timetable Changes First Halifax 508: Revised route and timetable 509-513: 509/513 withdrawn, 510/11/12: Timetable Change and Re-route 521/22/23: Revised timetable 539: Withdrawn 540/1/2: 540 is a new route, 541 withdrawn, 542 amended route and timetable 548: Withdrawn 549: Timetable amendments 571: Withdrawn 586: Timetable Revision First Bradford: 256: First journeys withdrawn (presumably re-contracted) 610: Withdrawn 611: Withdrawn 612/13/14: Timetable and route changes 615: Withdrawn 616/619: Withdrawn 630: Timetable Changes 633: Timetable Changes 671: Withdrawn 686: Timetable Changes Currently the ones showing as withdrawn will be - but theres a chance now that government funding has been extended they will remain (or another operator takes them over like X98/9) until at least March. Until operators & metro confirm whats going ahead its basically a case of wait & see.
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Post by Username on Aug 29, 2022 21:11:40 GMT 1
With the 571 going hopefully it will mean more buses & drivers to cover duties on the 576 as the services on that route have been suffered badly from late running & cancelled runs recently I always been of the opinion that Eldwick would be better serve by a minibus service running between there & Bingley instead of having a through bus to Bradford. Maybe Transdev could provide a Eldwick to Bingley service to link up with the 60,622,662,680 & train services. If the 571 goes they need to find a way to serve Stoney Lane estates, Whinney Hill and Southowram from both Halifax and Brighouse If the 548 goes there is no service round the estates at Rastrick The 549 might just get rerouted to serve some estates so it would make sense as having them run as two services are completely pointless.
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Post by peteleeds on Aug 29, 2022 21:24:06 GMT 1
A lot of the first leeds ones were part tendered by wyca. So i think this must have something to do with it.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 29, 2022 21:40:51 GMT 1
If the 571 goes they need to find a way to serve Stoney Lane estates, Whinney Hill and Southowram from both Halifax and Brighouse If the 548 goes there is no service round the estates at Rastrick The 549 might just get rerouted to serve some estates so it would make sense as having them run as two services are completely pointless. There are route variations between Hipperholme and Brighouse and beyond Brighouse they're completely different. Why would you not run them as two different services?
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Post by deerfold on Aug 29, 2022 21:42:50 GMT 1
I really hope these are just rumours! Every single bus route that I rely on for work and appointments are withdrawn from this list! Does anyone know for sure whether or not this is just a mistake with someone mistyping or missing out the route registration/changes for October? Changes now on BusTimes for First First Leeds 11/11A: Withdrawn 14: Revised timetable and route (X14 withdrawn) 15: Timetable Changes 19/19A: Revised route and amended timetable 27: Revised timetable with new route 27A covering the section of withdrawn 33 between Rawden Crossroads and Guiseley 33: Revised to operate between Leeds and Horsforth only - the section between Rawden Crossroads and Guiseley will be covered by new route 27A and 34, timetable changes 46/47/47A: Withdrawn 55/55C: Withdrawn 64: Withdrawn 74: Will terminate at Middleton Sharp House 75: Terminus moved to Sharp House to cover withdrawn section of 74 and timetable changes 86/87: Withdrawn X26/X27: Withdrawn X84: Withdrawn between Otley and Ilkley 85: Withdrawn 91: Timetable Change X98/99: Withdrawn First Huddersfield 181: Timetable Changes 183: Will terminate at Marsden Fall Lane 185: Timetable Changes 186: Withdrawn 308: Withdrawn between Bradshaw Road and (it says Honley but I assume means Holmfirth) 310: Timetable Changes 314: Timetable Changes 323: Withdrawn 324: Minor timetable revision 327/327A/360: Withdrawn 342: Withdrawn 356: Revised timetable 387: Timetable Changes First Halifax 508: Revised route and timetable 509-513: 509/513 withdrawn, 510/11/12: Timetable Change and Re-route 521/22/23: Revised timetable 539: Withdrawn 540/1/2: 540 is a new route, 541 withdrawn, 542 amended route and timetable 548: Withdrawn 549: Timetable amendments 571: Withdrawn 586: Timetable Revision First Bradford: 256: First journeys withdrawn (presumably re-contracted) 610: Withdrawn 611: Withdrawn 612/13/14: Timetable and route changes 615: Withdrawn 616/619: Withdrawn 630: Timetable Changes 633: Timetable Changes 671: Withdrawn 686: Timetable Changes They're not just rumours, they're all changes that have been registered. However, sometimes companies will deregister a route and then reregister it, so not all the withdrawn ones have to stay that way. Route and timetable changes are unlikely to change unless the company changes their mind.
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Post by jonny182 on Aug 29, 2022 21:42:57 GMT 1
Thanks cp2012, deerfold. I really hope these are just rumours! Every single bus route that I rely on for work and appointments are withdrawn from this list! Does anyone know for sure whether or not this is just a mistake with someone mistyping or missing out the route registration/changes for October? Currently the ones showing as withdrawn will be - but theres a chance now that government funding has been extended they will remain (or another operator takes them over like X98/9) until at least March. Until operators & metro confirm whats going ahead its basically a case of wait & see.
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 29, 2022 22:22:26 GMT 1
A lot of the first leeds ones were part tendered by wyca. So i think this must have something to do with it. If they're part-tendered, wouldn't the tendered parts still be running?
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Aug 30, 2022 7:42:27 GMT 1
Do operators legally have to go ahead with any changes once they notify the TC or can they withdraw the change? Noticed recently the Trans Peak was set for withdrawal from Derby to Matlock then suddenly got reinstated overnight once some cash was found by local councils to keep it running. The current operator, or any other operator who wants to, can submit a replacement registration to reinstate a service under short-notice rules if they wish should circumstances change & a different decision may be reached. Whilst there is no guarantee short-notice applications will be approved it is almost unheard of for a straight replacement to be refused. As others have said the announcement that BRG funding was continuing for another 6 months was made the same day that was the last chance to submit registrations for a 2nd October change and there was no suggestion an extension was actually in the offing (to councils or operators) so things would have been sent off before they knew they didn't need to. In theory an operator could phone up the Licensing Office and tell them to cancel a submission, if you could make the decision quickly (& were going to withdraw all the changes which is unlikely as this funding isn't permanent so some changes will probably happen anyway) you could get in front of the processing cycle. Having spoken to our contact in the Licensing Office they were a couple of weeks behind in processing but normal full notice applications flow through fairly automatically (particularly for the big groups who are probably on electronic submissions) but short-notice applications, whatever the reason or submission method, needs to be referred to the Traffic Commissioner and so needs extra processing and so take much longer to pass through the system. I'm not sure what West Yorks are like on decision making currently but we do sometimes find we have to submit full cancellations to meet statutory registration deadlines (42-day notice to the Licensing Office) as the local authority have not been able to make a decision on extra funding in the 28-day consultation they have had, we don't expect the service to actually be withdrawn but if we don't submit the cancellation a decision may never be reached to provide the extra cash.
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Post by Tom on Aug 30, 2022 15:38:56 GMT 1
HBC have confirmed they are taking over the X98/X99 in some form with Sky Class buses. Sound's exciting!
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 30, 2022 15:54:19 GMT 1
Back to the future as the West Yorkshire Road Car Company ran Leeds–Wetherby direct (was 39/39A then various other numbers 798/799) when they had bases in Leeds/Wetherby.
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Post by mk2mcw on Aug 30, 2022 16:10:31 GMT 1
Back to the future as Blazefield ran Leeds–Wetherby when they had a base in Leeds. blazefield didn’t run X98/99 as it was still west Yorks road car
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Post by deerfold on Aug 30, 2022 16:15:48 GMT 1
Back to the future as Blazefield ran Leeds–Wetherby when they had a base in Leeds. Are you thinking of the current 7?
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Post by nic on Aug 30, 2022 16:22:10 GMT 1
I wonder if they'll be able to increase passenger usage on these services? Like they did with the 36. Interesting times ahead.
No railway competition, direct route, quick to Leeds. Some clever marketing and reliability and I think this could happen.
I've always though a quicker route would be beneficial for the route (up easterly road direct) but then that would require the 49 to be diverted up Roundhay Road/Wetherby Road as the 49A every 20 minutes? Or just divert the 50A or 50 up that way to maintain a service. That means working with First to make this happen.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 30, 2022 18:09:10 GMT 1
I don’t think First have ever thrown any marketing at this route, so there may be room for growth if Transdev actually promote it, which they will of course do
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Post by joseph on Aug 30, 2022 18:11:22 GMT 1
HBC have confirmed they are taking over the X98/X99 in some form with Sky Class buses. Sound's exciting! Unless they put security guards on school timed buses, they may well regret putting posh buses on this route, Wetherby High pupils from the likes of Seacroft and Chapletown boarding the afternoon X98/9 from Wetherby are very well known for not behaving. Can't see the buses staying very Sky Classy for long lol.
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Post by nic on Aug 30, 2022 20:59:01 GMT 1
HBC have confirmed they are taking over the X98/X99 in some form with Sky Class buses. Sound's exciting! Unless they put security guards on school timed buses, they may well regret putting posh buses on this route, Wetherby High pupils from the likes of Seacroft and Chapletown boarding the afternoon X98/9 from Wetherby are very well known for not behaving. Can't see the buses staying very Sky Classy for long lol. 2 solutions to the problems. School buses from Wetherby high to Seacroft and Chapletown or put one of the less high spec/invested vehicles on the route to do the journey then turn it into a peak service on the 7. Meanwhile the vehicle booked, goes empty into Leeds to pick up where it left off.
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Post by Username on Aug 30, 2022 21:25:17 GMT 1
HBC have confirmed they are taking over the X98/X99 in some form with Sky Class buses. Sound's exciting! Unless they put security guards on school timed buses, they may well regret putting posh buses on this route, Wetherby High pupils from the likes of Seacroft and Chapletown boarding the afternoon X98/9 from Wetherby are very well known for not behaving. Can't see the buses staying very Sky Classy for long lol. How bout just run it as a seperate route? Like WH1?
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