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Post by Transdev 1 on Aug 3, 2023 19:55:31 GMT 1
2 burnley wizz double deckers at waterloo team pennine anyone know why...couldn't get the fleet numbers. They are to replace 2721 and 2723 school buses in Elland.
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Post by rs on Aug 3, 2023 19:56:32 GMT 1
I was talking to a flyer driver today and apparently there was a suggestion that flyer take on the x98/99 as a low cost unit. The idea was thrown out by flyer management as they don’t hardly have enough drivers as it is to operate A1-3 Sounds like x98/99 is now a burden which no one wants ! It was always questionable taking on a failing route from another operator, then putting the highest spec most expensive buses in the fleet on there, and then planning yet another new brand for them. It was seen as many as an ego boosting exercise by the former CEO and also an attempt to get one over on another operator who were willing to take the services on. The new management have a lot of financial losses to overcome and are probably now making the decision that should have been made from day 1 with the X98/99.
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 3, 2023 20:08:50 GMT 1
I was talking to a flyer driver today and apparently there was a suggestion that flyer take on the x98/99 as a low cost unit. The idea was thrown out by flyer management as they don’t hardly have enough drivers as it is to operate A1-3 Sounds like x98/99 is now a burden which no one wants ! It was always questionable taking on a failing route from another operator, then putting the highest spec most expensive buses in the fleet on there, and then planning yet another new brand for them. It was seen as many as an ego boosting exercise by the former CEO and also an attempt to get one over on another operator who were willing to take the services on. Presumably that would have been no evenings or Sundays service and possibly reduced level of service on a schoolday afternoon. There is some logic at throwing better buses, not sure they are of higher spec compared to the 36, at a failing service as they can result in improved custom. The service becoming an option to operate coincided with the Cityzap becoming unviable so it would have been odder if the Enviros were not so transferred; sufficient buses with a readily adopted livery.
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Post by burtonsa02 on Aug 3, 2023 22:04:06 GMT 1
2 burnley wizz double deckers at waterloo team pennine anyone know why...couldn't get the fleet numbers. They are to replace 2721 and 2723 school buses in Elland. How come if you don't mind me asking? Just thought they maybe would have kept one of either 2721 or 2723 as 2745 has been withdrawn by April so they are/were short of a decker at Waterloo unless I'm wrong
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 3, 2023 22:58:18 GMT 1
They are to replace 2721 and 2723 school buses in Elland. How come if you don't mind me asking? Just thought they maybe would have kept one of either 2721 or 2723 as 2745 has been withdrawn by April so they are/were short of a decker at Waterloo unless I'm wrong plus president 2725 is currently in Scrap corner at Waterloo.
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Post by Username on Aug 4, 2023 8:19:34 GMT 1
They are to replace 2721 and 2723 school buses in Elland. How come if you don't mind me asking? Just thought they maybe would have kept one of either 2721 or 2723 as 2745 has been withdrawn by April so they are/were short of a decker at Waterloo unless I'm wrong I remember Pendle Wizz had 3 allocated vehicles so maybe the third is due to transfer over at some point to replace 2745.
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Post by gledhill56 on Aug 4, 2023 9:22:53 GMT 1
How come if you don't mind me asking? Just thought they maybe would have kept one of either 2721 or 2723 as 2745 has been withdrawn by April so they are/were short of a decker at Waterloo unless I'm wrong I remember Pendle Wizz had 3 allocated vehicles so maybe the third is due to transfer over at some point to replace 2745. Someone has been fast to edit bustimes as per usual and fleet numbers 2751-2753 (PJ05ZVX/Y/Z) are now down as Team Pennine vehicles.
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Post by Username on Aug 5, 2023 13:48:42 GMT 1
1760 - 1766 have received temporary vinyl for Irwell Line until they are repainted in the latter.
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Post by rs on Aug 5, 2023 15:30:59 GMT 1
1760 - 1766 have received temporary vinyl for Irwell Line until they are repainted in the latter. Were these Centros acquired for school services for Rosso originally, or am I misremembering? Also the end of an era at Queensgate, as the last two B10BLEs were withdrawn from public service yesterday.
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Post by Username on Aug 5, 2023 16:19:37 GMT 1
1760 - 1766 have received temporary vinyl for Irwell Line until they are repainted in the latter. Were these Centros acquired for school services for Rosso originally, or am I misremembering? Also the end of an era at Queensgate, as the last two B10BLEs were withdrawn from public service yesterday. Yes these were purchased for School services with Rosso but it seems the new CEO is making loads of fleet changes. The current Irwell Lines are off to Keighley to run school routes replacing the B10BLEs that they currently have as those are really old, older than all the Blackburn + Burnley ones I believe. One of them I'm sure had an T reg. Also ex Nottingham 769 and 770 are also due for Burnley at some point don't know what the replacements are. Some more MMCs are to arrive for Transdev Burnley due to Mainline M3/4/5/6 suffering from capacity issues as well as 2751/2/3 heading for Waterloo from Burnley. So Burnley is having a lot of fleet movements.
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Post by leedsbusman on Aug 5, 2023 18:08:32 GMT 1
Were these Centros acquired for school services for Rosso originally, or am I misremembering? Also the end of an era at Queensgate, as the last two B10BLEs were withdrawn from public service yesterday. Yes these were purchased for School services with Rosso but it seems the new CEO is making loads of fleet changes. The current Irwell Lines are off to Keighley to run school routes replacing the B10BLEs that they currently have as those are really old, older than all the Blackburn + Burnley ones I believe. One of them I'm sure had an T reg. Also ex Nottingham 769 and 770 are also due for Burnley at some point don't know what the replacements are. Some more MMCs are to arrive for Transdev Burnley due to Mainline M3/4/5/6 suffering from capacity issues as well as 2751/2/3 heading for Waterloo from Burnley. So Burnley is having a lot of fleet movements. As I understand from someone in the know. Rochdale had 12 bus workings finish in July on the expiry of school contracts. This is releasing 769 and 770 to replace 167/8 on college contracts; 1761-6 for Irwell Line; 1722/3 for Keighley schools and 2425/6 for Blackburn. The Centros allow the Irwell Line to be Euro 6 as required to enter the franchised area. One (1727 I think) is staying at Burnley as 1602's replacement, the other five going to Keighley as WYCA has ended some Primary School workings due to budget issues so the belted B10s can be replaced by B7s. The opportunity has been taken to remove the three oddities, Scania 1602, B7 3607 and Trident 2806. 2752/3 are for Elland, 2746 should move to Waterloo. 2751 is for Keighley.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 5, 2023 19:00:50 GMT 1
I hope these are the ex Witchway examples returning to Burnley rather than the ex City Zap examples moving there. All of the ex-Witchway ones are still at Burnley. The X98/X99 has been using the Cityzap ones. Maintenance wise it must beneficial having them grouped togther at the same depot, excepting 2019 at Malton/York. I just hope it remains easy to track down an ex CityZap E400 on route X98 or X99 now that the allocation is being diluted.
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Post by Username on Aug 5, 2023 19:00:56 GMT 1
Yes these were purchased for School services with Rosso but it seems the new CEO is making loads of fleet changes. The current Irwell Lines are off to Keighley to run school routes replacing the B10BLEs that they currently have as those are really old, older than all the Blackburn + Burnley ones I believe. One of them I'm sure had an T reg. Also ex Nottingham 769 and 770 are also due for Burnley at some point don't know what the replacements are. Some more MMCs are to arrive for Transdev Burnley due to Mainline M3/4/5/6 suffering from capacity issues as well as 2751/2/3 heading for Waterloo from Burnley. So Burnley is having a lot of fleet movements. As I understand from someone in the know. Rochdale had 12 bus workings finish in July on the expiry of school contracts. This is releasing 769 and 770 to replace 167/8 on college contracts; 1761-6 for Irwell Line; 1722/3 for Keighley schools and 2425/6 for Blackburn. The Centros allow the Irwell Line to be Euro 6 as required to enter the franchised area. One (1727 I think) is staying at Burnley as 1602's replacement, the other five going to Keighley as WYCA has ended some Primary School workings due to budget issues so the belted B10s can be replaced by B7s. The opportunity has been taken to remove the three oddities, Scania 1602, B7 3607 and Trident 2806. 2752/3 are for Elland, 2746 should move to Waterloo. 2751 is for Keighley. Are solos 167/8 due to go anywhere?
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 5, 2023 19:07:14 GMT 1
All of the ex-Witchway ones are still at Burnley. The X98/X99 has been using the Cityzap ones. Maintenance wise it must beneficial having them grouped togther at the same depot, excepting 2019 at Malton/York. I just hope it remains easy to track down an ex CityZap E400 on route X98 or X99 now that the allocation is being diluted. all 4 are off to Burnley.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 5, 2023 19:15:40 GMT 1
I just hope it remains easy to track down an ex CityZap E400 on route X98 or X99 now that the allocation is being diluted. all 4 are off to Burnley. Are these for route M6? I have heard some journeys being overcrowded since the Versas took over from double-decks on the previous Pendle Wizz route covering this section. Their loss from routes X98/99 appears to have finally tipped the balance against a Leeds trip this year.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 5, 2023 19:23:11 GMT 1
all 4 are off to Burnley. Are these for route M6? I have heard some journeys being overcrowded since the Versas took over from double-decks on the previous Pendle Wizz route covering this section. Their loss from routes X98/99 appears to have finally tipped the balance against a Leeds trip this year. yep. The M2-M6 have all got trips requiring deckers now but having them at Burnley would also mean they can be used on Witchway as well. This way some of the Versas can also free up some of the Last Renowns in service too.
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Post by leedsbusman on Aug 5, 2023 21:12:34 GMT 1
all 4 are off to Burnley. Are these for route M6? I have heard some journeys being overcrowded since the Versas took over from double-decks on the previous Pendle Wizz route covering this section. Their loss from routes X98/99 appears to have finally tipped the balance against a Leeds trip this year. They are for Mainline which will include M6, but also M3, M4 and M5 trips according to where the need is most. I understand there will be five double deck boards up from two currently.
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Post by leedsbusman on Aug 5, 2023 21:15:27 GMT 1
As I understand from someone in the know. Rochdale had 12 bus workings finish in July on the expiry of school contracts. This is releasing 769 and 770 to replace 167/8 on college contracts; 1761-6 for Irwell Line; 1722/3 for Keighley schools and 2425/6 for Blackburn. The Centros allow the Irwell Line to be Euro 6 as required to enter the franchised area. One (1727 I think) is staying at Burnley as 1602's replacement, the other five going to Keighley as WYCA has ended some Primary School workings due to budget issues so the belted B10s can be replaced by B7s. The opportunity has been taken to remove the three oddities, Scania 1602, B7 3607 and Trident 2806. 2752/3 are for Elland, 2746 should move to Waterloo. 2751 is for Keighley. Are solos 167/8 due to go anywhere? Barnsley bound I expect
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Post by Username on Aug 5, 2023 21:42:41 GMT 1
Are solos 167/8 due to go anywhere? Barnsley bound I expect Would be a waste, they were refurbished less than 2 years ago. Why can't they use them at Keighley for when PVR increases over September on K2/3 and K7?
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Post by leedsbusman on Aug 5, 2023 22:07:30 GMT 1
Would be a waste, they were refurbished less than 2 years ago. Why can't they use them at Keighley for when PVR increases over September on K2/3 and K7? I expect they have served their purpose now and can’t imagine Keighley would welcome two 16 year old Solos.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 5, 2023 22:08:04 GMT 1
Yes these were purchased for School services with Rosso but it seems the new CEO is making loads of fleet changes. The current Irwell Lines are off to Keighley to run school routes replacing the B10BLEs that they currently have as those are really old, older than all the Blackburn + Burnley ones I believe. One of them I'm sure had an T reg. Also ex Nottingham 769 and 770 are also due for Burnley at some point don't know what the replacements are. Some more MMCs are to arrive for Transdev Burnley due to Mainline M3/4/5/6 suffering from capacity issues as well as 2751/2/3 heading for Waterloo from Burnley. So Burnley is having a lot of fleet movements. As I understand from someone in the know. Rochdale had 12 bus workings finish in July on the expiry of school contracts. This is releasing 769 and 770 to replace 167/8 on college contracts; 1761-6 for Irwell Line; 1722/3 for Keighley schools and 2425/6 for Blackburn. The Centros allow the Irwell Line to be Euro 6 as required to enter the franchised area. One (1727 I think) is staying at Burnley as 1602's replacement, the other five going to Keighley as WYCA has ended some Primary School workings due to budget issues so the belted B10s can be replaced by B7s. The opportunity has been taken to remove the three oddities, Scania 1602, B7 3607 and Trident 2806. 2752/3 are for Elland, 2746 should move to Waterloo. 2751 is for Keighley. That all makes sense. More sense than the idea that it’s just ‘the new CEO’ making changes for the sake of it
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 5, 2023 22:12:24 GMT 1
What a silly decision... The so called upgrade is a bus on the exact same chassis, which is a couple years newer, without a refurbishment, and seems to be going into the exact same livery?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2023 22:30:18 GMT 1
What a silly decision... The so called upgrade is a bus on the exact same chassis, which is a couple years newer, without a refurbishment, and seems to be going into the exact same livery? But is an upgrade on emissions what is the main thing to enter Manchester without being fined (It's been said on other forums once Franchising begins the fines will be for every trip rather than daily). Saves them paying fines or the cost of upgrading the current Eclipses whilst Keighley can then remove it's Renowns using the Eclipses, seems a fairly smart decision.
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 5, 2023 23:08:25 GMT 1
What a silly decision... The so called upgrade is a bus on the exact same chassis, which is a couple years newer, without a refurbishment, and seems to be going into the exact same livery? But is an upgrade on emissions what is the main thing to enter Manchester without being fined (It's been said on other forums once Franchising begins the fines will be for every trip rather than daily). Saves them paying fines or the cost of upgrading the current Eclipses whilst Keighley can then remove it's Renowns using the Eclipses, seems a fairly smart decision. Branding means far more than a livery, it extends to the interior design, onboard features, and the overall passenger experience. In my view, the new vehicles are a massive decline in the brand's quality, which was solid. This decline could have been averted through retrofitting the existing vehicles. The lack of harmony between the exterior and interior colors is what is massively disappointing, as that unity is a cornerstone of a strong and successful brand identity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2023 23:33:58 GMT 1
But is an upgrade on emissions what is the main thing to enter Manchester without being fined (It's been said on other forums once Franchising begins the fines will be for every trip rather than daily). Saves them paying fines or the cost of upgrading the current Eclipses whilst Keighley can then remove it's Renowns using the Eclipses, seems a fairly smart decision. Branding means far more than a livery, it extends to the interior design, onboard features, and the overall passenger experience. In my view, the new vehicles are a massive decline in the brand's quality, which was solid. This decline could have been averted through retrofitting the existing vehicles. The lack of harmony between the exterior and interior colors is what is massively disappointing, as that unity is a cornerstone of a strong and successful brand identity. Once the branding is applied will there be much difference? I'd assume they will gain some sort of interior branding when they get repainted so the only difference would be USBs & headrests (possibly WIFI as well but cannot say for certain). If the Eclipses are to be used only on Schools in Keighley they could possibly move the USBs over to the Centros & I Wouldn't say the headrests are that important. Retrofitting costs around 16K per bus so when they are looking to save money you can see why they avoided that solution, to be honest I'm a little surprised the Centros are getting repainted rather than the Irwell Line brand being dropped.
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