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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 19, 2022 11:59:17 GMT 1
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571 576 636 637
Divert these routes up Sunbridge Road to avoid Jacobs Well roundabout serve the City Centre better.
571 576 via Godwin Street (actually was the original plan after the Centenary Square alterations)
636 637 via Grattan Road both directions
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Post by nic on May 19, 2022 15:28:05 GMT 1
Peak times only - X83 Otley to Leeds- very limited stop.
Drop off/Pick up - All stops until Roundabout, then non stop, dropping off same stops as X84 from Hyde Park Corner. Reverse - All stops pick up same as X84 until University then non stop till Leeds Road in Otley then all stops to Bus station.
Peak hours only.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on May 19, 2022 17:07:57 GMT 1
BRADFORD AREA 571 576 636 637 Divert these routes up Sunbridge Road to avoid Jacobs Well roundabout serve the City Centre better. 571 576 via Godwin Street (actually was the original plan after the Centenary Square alterations) 636 637 via Grattan Road both directions 613 614 were also planned to go via Godwin Street as well
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 19, 2022 18:47:02 GMT 1
BRADFORD AREA 576 Divert these routes up Sunbridge Road to avoid Jacobs Well roundabout serve the City Centre better. 576 via Godwin Street (actually was the original plan after the Centenary Square alterations) 613 614 were also planned to go via Godwin Street as well Not sure about that. I thought the plan was to run 613/614 via Hall Ings, with a bus stop near the Norfolk Gardens Hotel (so retaining a route along Hall Ings)..
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on May 20, 2022 16:10:54 GMT 1
Calder Valley times I would keep the current 15 min frequency at a push and tidy up them running times. Split the daytime service between Halifax & Todmorden via Hebden Bridge ONLY. 589 Rochdale & Burnley via Todmorden half-hourly with departures that leave Todmorden at xx40 running via Mount Lane at Walk Mill. Then through evening services begin when the 589 finishes for the day. Extended running time between Hebden Bridge and Todmorden to take into account the increase of traffic, driver change overs and roadworks in Todmorden. More evenly spaced running time that is not noticeable to passengers, clockface for improved reliability and passenger familiarisation. On xx05 and xx35 arrivals in Todmorden connect with xx10 and xx40 589 departures to Burnley or Rochdale. Reduced time between Halifax and Tuel Lane to avoid waiting at the bus stop blocking the road. 10 Minutes between Mytholmroyd and Hebden Bridge to account for loading and queuing traffic into Hebden - which is why it was there in the first place Return journeys added time between Hebden Bridge and Mytholmroyd for traffic and loading. Time reduced back to the original 8 minutes between Mytholmroyd and Whitty Lane (just past the Top of Tuel Lane) to stop the excessive waiting time on journeys into Halifax. Example; Service 592 Halifax - Todmorden via Hebden Bridge Halifax Town Centre Tuel Lane Top Mytholmroyd Hebden Bridge New Road Eastwood Todmorden Bus Station arr.
Todmorden Bus Station dep. Eastwood Hebden Bridge New Road Mytholmroyd Whitty Lane Halifax Town Centre | 1010 1025 1040 1055 1022 1037 1052 1107 1037 1052 1107 1122 1047 1102 1117 1132 1053 1108 1123 1138 1105 1120 1135 1150
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Service 589 Rochdale - Burnley via Todmorden Rochdale Interchange Smallbridge Library Littleborough Square Walsden Cricket Ground Todmorden Bus Station arr. Todmorden Bus Station dep. Portsmouth Southward Bottom Walk Mill Pike Hill Burnley Bus Station
Burnley Bus Station Pike Hill Walk Mill Southward Bottom Portsmouth Todmorden Bus Station arr. Todmorden Bus Station dep. Walsden Waggon & Horses Littleborough Square Smallbridge Library Rochdale Interchange | 1025 1055 1032 1102 1042 1112 1055 1125 1105 1135 1110 1140 1125 1155 1200 1130 1137 1207 1145 1215
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Jun 2, 2022 21:49:32 GMT 1
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Turn it into an Express Service - X8
All stops Halifax to Farsley Dawsons Corner and then limited stop conditions and via Stanningley By pass and into Leeds Like Current X6. ( add New buses introduced for Emissions Zone )
reintroduce the old 15 route but could call it ( 17 )
But run between Owlcotes - Dawsons Corner - Via current 508 route into Leeds.
5/5A I’d like to see ran up Torre Road ( the previous 37A did this on a evening/Sunday - added the Lupton Av / Harehills Lane section )
But 5/5A can run straight from Torre Road onto York Road , and omit the Lupton avenue section. Results, not much changes. York roads still served by other routes. Gives Torre Road a 10 min bus service.
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Post by Username on Jun 3, 2022 22:14:13 GMT 1
508 Turn it into an Express Service - X8 All stops Halifax to Farsley Dawsons Corner and then limited stop conditions and via Stanningley By pass and into Leeds Like Current X6. ( add New buses introduced for Emissions Zone ) reintroduce the old 15 route but could call it ( 17 ) But run between Owlcotes - Dawsons Corner - Via current 508 route into Leeds. 5/5A I’d like to see ran up Torre Road ( the previous 37A did this on a evening/Sunday - added the Lupton Av / Harehills Lane section ) But 5/5A can run straight from Torre Road onto York Road , and omit the Lupton avenue section. Results, not much changes. York roads still served by other routes. Gives Torre Road a 10 min bus service. I would do something similar, keep the 508 but make it every 30 minutes and then the X8 every hour to bring back the every 20 minutes service.
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Post by Username on Jun 3, 2022 22:23:58 GMT 1
I would exstend the 586 towards Oldham Central Bus Station and Manchester on Sundays.
The bus service will run every hour to Rishworth then every 2 hours to Oldham and serving some estates around Oldham like Sholver to gain more customers along the route. The bus can take the faster route in to Sholver. Also buses will be time coordinated so that buses have a small wait to allow buses to come down from Rishworth New Road at Rishworth Turning Circle.
I would also renumber 579 to 585 to match the corridor.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 4, 2022 9:36:42 GMT 1
I would exstend the 586 towards Oldham Central Bus Station and Manchester on Sundays. The bus service will run every hour to Rishworth then every 2 hours to Oldham and serving some estates around Oldham like Sholver to gain more customers along the route. The bus can take the faster route in to Sholver. Also buses will be time coordinated so that buses have a small wait to allow buses to come down from Rishworth New Road at Rishworth Turning Circle. Are the buses serving Commons before carrying on to Oldham? Solver already has a good service to Oldham and Manchester every 20 minutes (reduced from every 10 pre Covid). I can't see a bus every two hours making much difference to them. I used to catch that bus to work for 3 months and sadly most of them carried fresh air across the Pennines. It was busiest at the weekend. But I'm not sure a two-hourly service would attract many. I would also renumber 579 to 585 to match the corridor. And the 577?
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Post by Username on Jun 5, 2022 10:01:38 GMT 1
I would exstend the 586 towards Oldham Central Bus Station and Manchester on Sundays. The bus service will run every hour to Rishworth then every 2 hours to Oldham and serving some estates around Oldham like Sholver to gain more customers along the route. The bus can take the faster route in to Sholver. Also buses will be time coordinated so that buses have a small wait to allow buses to come down from Rishworth New Road at Rishworth Turning Circle. Are the buses serving Commons before carrying on to Oldham? Solver already has a good service to Oldham and Manchester every 20 minutes (reduced from every 10 pre Covid). I can't see a bus every two hours making much difference to them. I used to catch that bus to work for 3 months and sadly most of them carried fresh air across the Pennines. It was busiest at the weekend. But I'm not sure a two-hourly service would attract many. I would also renumber 579 to 585 to match the corridor. And the 577? I would keep the 577 as it is as it does a similar route between Halifax and Sowerby Bridge as the 574. Same reason I will keep 561/2 as it is because of the 563.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 5, 2022 20:00:37 GMT 1
Revive the full-length 184. I think it could have a temporary bit of success especially during the cost of living crisis. Transdev operating the route would be amazing. Pretty sure they don't mind thinner profit margins and would most likely have it as one of their premium routes.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 5, 2022 20:35:25 GMT 1
Are the buses serving Commons before carrying on to Oldham? Solver already has a good service to Oldham and Manchester every 20 minutes (reduced from every 10 pre Covid). I can't see a bus every two hours making much difference to them. I used to catch that bus to work for 3 months and sadly most of them carried fresh air across the Pennines. It was busiest at the weekend. But I'm not sure a two-hourly service would attract many. And the 577? I would keep the 577 as it is as it does a similar route between Halifax and Sowerby Bridge as the 574. Same reason I will keep 561/2 as it is because of the 563. But would you renumber it?
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jun 6, 2022 11:44:07 GMT 1
Increase to every 20 minutes between Halifax and Todmorden on Sundays and have the 589 running hourly between Burnley & Rochdale via Todmorden. Used to be every 15 minutes between Halifax and Hebden from April to September.
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Post by Username on Jun 25, 2022 23:00:38 GMT 1
I would cut the 571 into seperate services as nobody travels the full length from Bradford to Halifax. I would get First Bradford to run a new set of services 683/684/685 combined to run half hourly with Mon-Sat Daytimes as 683/685 on Sundays and evenings with 684. Service 571 will be cut to run Halifax to Lightcliffe Whinney Hill like the bus does in evenings via the usual route of Brighouse and Southowram. Service 683 will run hourly on Mon-Sat Daytimes from Bradford Interchange to Osdal Top and then follow the 681 into Shelf to provide a journey 15 minutes in between two 681s and then it will change for Coley, Hipperholme and then Lighcliffe Whinney Hill.
Service 684 will run Sundays and Evenings Between Bradford and Coley via Wibsey Park Rd and Shelf. Service 685 will run All week hourly between Brighouse and Bradford. The service will run down the 571 route to Shelf and then serve Coley, Hipperholme and then direct along the A644 to Brighouse. Service 684 will run hourly on Sundays
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 0:18:07 GMT 1
I would cut the 571 into seperate services as nobody travels the full length from Bradford to Halifax. I would get First Bradford to run a new set of services 683/684/685 combined to run half hourly with Mon-Sat Daytimes as 683/685 on Sundays and evenings with 684. Service 571 will be cut to run Halifax to Lightcliffe Whinney Hill like the bus does in evenings via the usual route of Brighouse and Southowram. Service 683 will run hourly on Mon-Sat Daytimes from Bradford Interchange to Osdal Top and then follow the 681 into Shelf to provide a journey 15 minutes in between two 681s and then it will change for Coley, Hipperholme and then Lighcliffe Whinney Hill. Service 684 will run Sundays and Evenings Between Bradford and Coley via Wibsey Park Rd and Shelf. Service 685 will run All week hourly between Brighouse and Bradford. The service will run down the 571 route to Shelf and then serve Coley, Hipperholme and then direct along the A644 to Brighouse. Service 684 will run hourly on Sundays Seems like alot of messing about with hardly any service improvements,looking at the timetable its actually 1 minute slower going the 681 route into Bradford compared to the 571 from Shelf,whilst Coley seems a random place to terminate on Sundays. I'm guessing whilst nobody travels end to end you do get overlapping cross Brighouse flows (Southowram to Hipperholme or Bradford for example) plus its most operationally convenient way to run the route as the 571 currently uses 3 buses,to run an Hourly Halifax > Lightcliffe then an Hourly Brighouse > Wibsey > Bradford pushes it upto 4,so it wouldn't end up cutting any costs either. Would you want to cut the various slow routes from Huddersfield to Halifax because theres the 503? One option to split the services whilst at least keeping the PVR the same would be taking the 613 out of Buttershaw & after Woodside it stays on the main road into Shelf & onto Hipperholme & Brighouse.
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Post by Username on Jun 26, 2022 8:32:34 GMT 1
I would cut the 571 into seperate services as nobody travels the full length from Bradford to Halifax. I would get First Bradford to run a new set of services 683/684/685 combined to run half hourly with Mon-Sat Daytimes as 683/685 on Sundays and evenings with 684. Service 571 will be cut to run Halifax to Lightcliffe Whinney Hill like the bus does in evenings via the usual route of Brighouse and Southowram. Service 683 will run hourly on Mon-Sat Daytimes from Bradford Interchange to Osdal Top and then follow the 681 into Shelf to provide a journey 15 minutes in between two 681s and then it will change for Coley, Hipperholme and then Lighcliffe Whinney Hill. Service 684 will run Sundays and Evenings Between Bradford and Coley via Wibsey Park Rd and Shelf. Service 685 will run All week hourly between Brighouse and Bradford. The service will run down the 571 route to Shelf and then serve Coley, Hipperholme and then direct along the A644 to Brighouse. Service 684 will run hourly on Sundays Seems like alot of messing about with hardly any service improvements,looking at the timetable its actually 1 minute slower going the 681 route into Bradford compared to the 571 from Shelf,whilst Coley seems a random place to terminate on Sundays. I'm guessing whilst nobody travels end to end you do get overlapping cross Brighouse flows (Southowram to Hipperholme or Bradford for example) plus its most operationally convenient way to run the route as the 571 currently uses 3 buses,to run an Hourly Halifax > Lightcliffe then an Hourly Brighouse > Wibsey > Bradford pushes it upto 4,so it wouldn't end up cutting any costs either. Would you want to cut the various slow routes from Huddersfield to Halifax because theres the 503? One option to split the services whilst at least keeping the PVR the same would be taking the 613 out of Buttershaw & after Woodside it stays on the main road into Shelf & onto Hipperholme & Brighouse. I wouldn't cut Huddersfield as there are alot of people who use the 549 from end to end or Huddersfield to Hipperholme, I don't see anyone doing Southowram to Bradford. Also these are timetable changes I would do not anyone else.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jun 26, 2022 9:19:44 GMT 1
Run the 613,614 as a circular service instead of terminating at Buttershaw & changing numbers .From Shipley 613 present route to Great Horton Road, Then Bartle Lane, Hollybank Road,Hollingwood Lane, Horton Bank Top, Cooper Lane,Halifax Road,Woodside,Halifax Road,ST Pauls Avenue,ST Helena Road Wibsey Roundabout,Moore Ave & Great Horton Road, 614 to run in the other direction
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Post by Username on Jun 26, 2022 9:56:15 GMT 1
I noticed the Rye Lane local buses 20/21 with Team Pennine change numbers at Rye Lane terminus. I think what would be a better solution will be to make the services circular.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 12:40:21 GMT 1
Seems like alot of messing about with hardly any service improvements,looking at the timetable its actually 1 minute slower going the 681 route into Bradford compared to the 571 from Shelf,whilst Coley seems a random place to terminate on Sundays. I'm guessing whilst nobody travels end to end you do get overlapping cross Brighouse flows (Southowram to Hipperholme or Bradford for example) plus its most operationally convenient way to run the route as the 571 currently uses 3 buses,to run an Hourly Halifax > Lightcliffe then an Hourly Brighouse > Wibsey > Bradford pushes it upto 4,so it wouldn't end up cutting any costs either. Would you want to cut the various slow routes from Huddersfield to Halifax because theres the 503? One option to split the services whilst at least keeping the PVR the same would be taking the 613 out of Buttershaw & after Woodside it stays on the main road into Shelf & onto Hipperholme & Brighouse. I wouldn't cut Huddersfield as there are alot of people who use the 549 from end to end or Huddersfield to Hipperholme, I don't see anyone doing Southowram to Bradford. Also these are timetable changes I would do not anyone else. I Have seen a few cross Brighouse journeys when i've been on the 571,i just wondered what was the objective you was looking to do with the changes you suggested as you don't get an improvement for either the passenger or the company?
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Post by Burnside on Jun 26, 2022 15:51:26 GMT 1
Looking back at the changes made in Keighley last month, most of them make sense, such as merging the K13, K17 & K19 into the K4.
As far as withdrawing the K10, diverting the 67 via Spring Bank was pretty much the only option to retain an hourly service up there, unless they rerouted 1xK9 per hour and numbered it K8.
The change I would have made, however, would have been to leave the K14-16 virtually as was, with the exception of routing the K16 via Harewood Road and Goose Cote Lane in place of the K10.
With the K15 rerouted, Hanworth and Harewood Rd are only served in one direction. Taking the K16 off Oakworth Road wouldn't be a huge issue as it is served by the K7 multiple times per hour and by doing it my way, passengers on the K15 from Hainworth wouldn't have to go all the way round via Oakworth to reach Keighley and people for Harewood Rd/Goose Cote Ln wouldn't have to via Hainworth or get a K9 and walk up from Bracken Bank or down from Oakworth Road off a K7.
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Post by Username on Jun 26, 2022 17:22:05 GMT 1
I would improve some Team Pennine Local Services in Halifax maybe a brand called "Handy Halifax" or something like that. I would also run them in partnership with Metro:
H1/H2 will replace the 20/21 services and run as circulars down Hanson and Pellon Lane so H1 runs clockwise and H2 anti-lockwise. H3 replaces the 22 with a service frequency brought back to every 20 minutes. H4 replaces the 524 and will terminate at Mixenden instead of Wainstalls to allow the 512 to run via Wainstalls every half hour. As well as this there will also be on extra bus an hour running circular around Ovenden Way and Nursery Lane. H6 replaces the 526 to Hungerhill and Shelf with all journeys serving Round Hill Estate. H8 is a new service which will introduce faster journeys up to Southowram via Southowram Bank every hour. H10 replaces the 532 however the service will run around to the entrance of Crossley Heath School on Free School Lane to gain extra passengers. I would also make the 574 half hourly between Halifax and Kershaw Estate.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jun 26, 2022 17:49:23 GMT 1
Run the 613,614 as a circular service instead of terminating at Buttershaw & changing numbers .From Shipley 613 present route to Great Horton Road, Then Bartle Lane, Hollybank Road,Hollingwood Lane, Horton Bank Top, Cooper Lane,Halifax Road,Woodside,Halifax Road,ST Pauls Avenue,ST Helena Road Wibsey Roundabout,Moore Ave & Great Horton Road, 614 to run in the other direction Thought it already ran as a circular service? It was advertised as such when first started and I've caught it from Horton Bank Top all the way to Horsfall Stadium.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 26, 2022 17:49:43 GMT 1
I would improve some Team Pennine Local Services in Halifax maybe a brand called "Handy Halifax" or something like that. I would also run them in partnership with Metro: H1/H2 will replace the 20/21 services and run as circulars down Hanson and Pellon Lane so H1 runs clockwise and H2 anti-lockwise. H3 replaces the 22 with a service frequency brought back to every 20 minutes. H4 replaces the 524 and will terminate at Mixenden instead of Wainstalls to allow the 512 to run via Wainstalls every half hour. As well as this there will also be on extra bus an hour running circular around Ovenden Way and Nursery Lane. H6 replaces the 526 to Hungerhill and Shelf with all journeys serving Round Hill Estate. H8 is a new service which will introduce faster journeys up to Southowram via Southowram Bank every hour. H10 replaces the 532 however the service will run around to the entrance of Crossley Heath School on Free School Lane to gain extra passengers. I would also make the 574 half hourly between Halifax and Kershaw Estate. that's already been suggested but the route numbers can easily be confused with the Holmfirth Locals.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 12:40:16 GMT 1
One change i've thought of a couple of times (mostly for selfish reasons to try & make my local route more reliable) is to swap the Coastliner/Cityzap routes,so the routes to the coast would take the fast route from Leeds to York before continuing onto Malton/Whitby/Scarborough alongside a new Leeds > Seacroft > Tadcaster > York 'local' service (probs would need a different brand to replace Cityzap)
People from Leeds get a faster journey to the coast,whilst people living between the 2 cities should see a more reliable service (especially during Summer Months)
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Post by Username on Jun 27, 2022 18:20:33 GMT 1
One change i've thought of a couple of times (mostly for selfish reasons to try & make my local route more reliable) is to swap the Coastliner/Cityzap routes,so the routes to the coast would take the fast route from Leeds to York before continuing onto Malton/Whitby/Scarborough alongside a new Leeds > Seacroft > Tadcaster > York 'local' service (probs would need a different brand to replace Cityzap) People from Leeds get a faster journey to the coast,whilst people living between the 2 cities should see a more reliable service (especially during Summer Months) Why does CityZap serve the M1 anyways, there is no point. Running the service fast through Seacroft would be quicker.
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