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Post by Username on Feb 13, 2022 0:55:32 GMT 1
I believe that First Huddersfield should takeover the Huddersfield to Hebden Bridge routes as well as the Rishworth 902 service. I am personally not a huge fan of First however, I do believe that the service will recieve a lot more customers if it was with First as there is a wider range of ticket options for a day out. However, the Cragg Vale shorts should stay with TLC and interwork to perform an hourly service along with the first bus journeys.
Also if First Huddersfield takesover the bus routes there will be a higher vehicle variety. TLC does not really have a huge variety apart from just Enviro 200s, Optare Solo SRs and rare occassions 09/10 plate Optare Solos.
Possible a vehicle allocations to the service if First Huddersfield take are Wright Streetlites to start off with as customer levels might not immediately increase. The next possible allocations could be boosted to be a Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban and possibly in the Summer could see a Volvo B7/9TL Gemini. A rare allocation would probably be a Wright Eclipse 2 or Enviro 400 as the Enviros are bad on hills and the Wright Eclipse 2s are mainly on the 372s.
Possible route change: Anything like 58x, 56x or possibly 36x matching up closely with the Lindley corridor, Ripponden and Barkisland routes.
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Post by joseph on Feb 13, 2022 9:33:54 GMT 1
You may have a point about increased custom, but that won't be through custom, just on the common sections with other First routes. The thing is, Metro won't give First these routes unless the price is as low as TLC offer, which will mean First having to do a Transdev and set up a budget operation like Transdev did with the Wharfedale network. The only other way would be for First to bid at a loss or significantly reduced margins, and can't see any point in them doing that unless it was part of an effort to wipe out a competitor, which TLC aren't. Having said that, they were successful with a few tenders such as the 587 recently so I wonder what the price was for them?
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Post by deerfold on Feb 13, 2022 11:25:09 GMT 1
I believe that First Huddersfield should takeover the Huddersfield to Hebden Bridge routes as well as the Rishworth 902 service. I am personally not a huge fan of First however, I do believe that the service will recieve a lot more customers if it was with First as there is a wider range of ticket options for a day out. However, the Cragg Vale shorts should stay with TLC and interwork to perform an hourly service along with the first bus journeys. Also if First Huddersfield takesover the bus routes there will be a higher vehicle variety. TLC does not really have a huge variety apart from just Enviro 200s, Optare Solo SRs and rare occassions 09/10 plate Optare Solos. Possible a vehicle allocations to the service if First Huddersfield take are Wright Streetlites to start off with as customer levels might not immediately increase. The next possible allocations could be boosted to be a Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban and possibly in the Summer could see a Volvo B7/9TL Gemini. A rare allocation would probably be a Wright Eclipse 2 or Enviro 400 as the Enviros are bad on hills and the Wright Eclipse 2s are mainly on the 372s. Possible route change: Anything like 58x, 56x or possibly 36x matching up closely with the Lindley corridor, Ripponden and Barkisland routes. I don't think most customers care about a variety of bus types. They do care if they can't use the same ticket from Cragg Vale into Hebden Bridge as coming back. |
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Post by Username on Feb 13, 2022 13:53:35 GMT 1
I believe that First Huddersfield should takeover the Huddersfield to Hebden Bridge routes as well as the Rishworth 902 service. I am personally not a huge fan of First however, I do believe that the service will recieve a lot more customers if it was with First as there is a wider range of ticket options for a day out. However, the Cragg Vale shorts should stay with TLC and interwork to perform an hourly service along with the first bus journeys. Also if First Huddersfield takesover the bus routes there will be a higher vehicle variety. TLC does not really have a huge variety apart from just Enviro 200s, Optare Solo SRs and rare occassions 09/10 plate Optare Solos. Possible a vehicle allocations to the service if First Huddersfield take are Wright Streetlites to start off with as customer levels might not immediately increase. The next possible allocations could be boosted to be a Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban and possibly in the Summer could see a Volvo B7/9TL Gemini. A rare allocation would probably be a Wright Eclipse 2 or Enviro 400 as the Enviros are bad on hills and the Wright Eclipse 2s are mainly on the 372s. Possible route change: Anything like 58x, 56x or possibly 36x matching up closely with the Lindley corridor, Ripponden and Barkisland routes. I don't think most customers care about a variety of bus types. They do care if they can't use the same ticket from Cragg Vale into Hebden Bridge as coming back. I am not just talking about regular customers though it will bring more customers as first is better at advertising their buses and enthusiast will ride it more if there is a variety. Also I said the Cragg Vale Shorts should be kept with TLC Travel. |
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Post by WYBS on Feb 13, 2022 14:24:30 GMT 1
I don't think most customers care about a variety of bus types. They do care if they can't use the same ticket from Cragg Vale into Hebden Bridge as coming back. I am not just talking about regular customers though it will bring more customers as first is better at advertising their buses and enthusiast will ride it more if there is a variety. Also I said the Cragg Vale Shorts should be kept with TLC Travel. Unfortunately, enthusiasts are the very last thing a major company takes into account when making a commercial decision. I can't imagine First's management team sat round a table in the office talking about making a tender bid cos some enthusiasts would like a Volvo on there. |
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Post by deerfold on Feb 13, 2022 16:18:48 GMT 1
I don't think most customers care about a variety of bus types. They do care if they can't use the same ticket from Cragg Vale into Hebden Bridge as coming back. I am not just talking about regular customers though it will bring more customers as first is better at advertising their buses and enthusiast will ride it more if there is a variety. Also I said the Cragg Vale Shorts should be kept with TLC Travel. The shorts only run a handful of journeys. I read that you said they should stay with TLC. That's why I commented on the interavailability of tickets. Are First really better at advertising? They don't do much that I see. When First last ran the 900/1 I don't remember any advertising except for a bus in a special livery for it. As far as I know, that was specified in the contract - and would make it less likely to run a variety of vehicles. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 17:40:58 GMT 1
I am not just talking about regular customers though it will bring more customers as first is better at advertising their buses and enthusiast will ride it more if there is a variety. Also I said the Cragg Vale Shorts should be kept with TLC Travel. The shorts only run a handful of journeys. I read that you said they should stay with TLC. That's why I commented on the interavailability of tickets. Are First really better at advertising? They don't do much that I see. When First last ran the 900/1 I don't remember any advertising except for a bus in a special livery for it. As far as I know, that was specified in the contract - and would make it less likely to run a variety of vehicles. There used to be abit of variety when First did the 900 when the additional summer journeys was introduced what would sometimes operate with an Eclipse or Dart (one slight correct to the BIB is First never operated the 901,just the 900) Your correct the Metro-connect livery was probably in the contract as i think it was for most 'Connect' routes at the time,unless you was meaning the green Sprinter First used to launch route 900 in the late 90s. I'm not sure there would be massive passenger increases just because First operate the service,First tried their own 2bph between Stainland & Huddersfield before & it didn't work (in fact wasn't that part of the reason for the 901 creation?) - If First won the 901 (providing it was put back to hourly) i wouldn't be surprised if they cut the 537 to only operate between Stainland & Halifax. As for putting DDs on it,they might need to get the council to agree to cutback some of the trees between Barkisland & Stainland first |
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Post by deerfold on Feb 13, 2022 19:19:04 GMT 1
The shorts only run a handful of journeys. I read that you said they should stay with TLC. That's why I commented on the interavailability of tickets. Are First really better at advertising? They don't do much that I see. When First last ran the 900/1 I don't remember any advertising except for a bus in a special livery for it. As far as I know, that was specified in the contract - and would make it less likely to run a variety of vehicles. There used to be abit of variety when First did the 900 when the additional summer journeys was introduced what would sometimes operate with an Eclipse or Dart (one slight correct to the BIB is First never operated the 901,just the 900) Your correct the Metro-connect livery was probably in the contract as i think it was for most 'Connect' routes at the time,unless you was meaning the green Sprinter First used to launch route 900 in the late 90s. I'm not sure there would be massive passenger increases just because First operate the service,First tried their own 2bph between Stainland & Huddersfield before & it didn't work (in fact wasn't that part of the reason for the 901 creation?) - If First won the 901 (providing it was put back to hourly) i wouldn't be surprised if they cut the 537 to only operate between Stainland & Halifax. As for putting DDs on it,they might need to get the council to agree to cutback some of the trees between Barkisland & Stainland first When First ran it the current 901 was a peak only 900X. There were two buses at the same time between Ripponden and Barkisland, then going different routes to Huddersfield. I'd catch the 900/1 far more often if it went back to hourly and went back to connecting with the B3 every hour. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 13, 2022 22:08:53 GMT 1
First are better at advertising their buses? Hardly, I don’t think they’ve done anything to sell their services for decades.
If you want a change on the 900/1, the operator most likely to put in a rival bid next time it is up for tender would be Team Pennine.
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 13, 2022 22:53:59 GMT 1
I don't think most customers care about a variety of bus types. They do care if they can't use the same ticket from Cragg Vale into Hebden Bridge as coming back. I am not just talking about regular customers though it will bring more customers as first is better at advertising their buses and enthusiast will ride it more if there is a variety. Also I said the Cragg Vale Shorts should be kept with TLC Travel. the only adverts First have done are the few brief ones for the Leeds City Network before Christmas both online and tv. No other operators do apart from on Board the vehicles. |
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Post by Username on Feb 14, 2022 18:32:09 GMT 1
I am not just talking about regular customers though it will bring more customers as first is better at advertising their buses and enthusiast will ride it more if there is a variety. Also I said the Cragg Vale Shorts should be kept with TLC Travel. the only adverts First have done are the few brief ones for the Leeds City Network before Christmas both online and tv. No other operators do apart from on Board the vehicles. On their twitter page, First advertise places like Piece Hall and Kingsgate shopping and stuff. They have advertised Hebden Bridge I believe for the 590 and 592 services. |
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 14, 2022 19:04:04 GMT 1
the only adverts First have done are the few brief ones for the Leeds City Network before Christmas both online and tv. No other operators do apart from on Board the vehicles. On their twitter page, First advertise places like Piece Hall and Kingsgate shopping and stuff. They have advertised Hebden Bridge I believe for the 590 and 592 services. that's only if there's any events on at them places but not everyone has social media |
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