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Post by stephen01 on Feb 11, 2022 23:56:37 GMT 1
502 is been used as an example of an old route been resurrected which started off naff on resurrection but is improving. At the minute no operator as brought any brand new routes in to play for a few years but i agree 100% it would be best at the moment to strength localised connections is what's needed so using your example of improving links to Holmfirth with neighbouring villages Brockholes & Honley is one good one South Pennine's 309 could have good potential for Honley to Holmfirth service as it runs 2 trips 6 days a week. South Pennine has started a few. The 348 started in September 2020. The 99 in September 2021. The 348 is a brand new idea granted however the 99 is a tough one to classify as yes it's brand new link introduced as Saturday Only due to local request and does seem well used but it's also just adding to two others. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 23:58:19 GMT 1
To be fair you cannot keep using the 502 as an excuse to recreate old links when the 502 was more of a joining of 2 routes (the 504 + restoring the 2nd bus per hour Denholme > Keighley) than a new service,plus theres many other factors that went into the 502s favour compared to most. Would it be smart when Transdev are wanting improved partnerships with the railways to start up against them? Getting the PTE to work out a way to reduce fares would be a better solution (£6 doesn't sound too bad for a peak time return to be fair) Maybe a Darton style solution where both WYMetro & SY Connect+ tickets are valid from Denby Dale could be the answer,or bringing back the old MetroMaster ticket. As for an hourly service from Holmfirth to Penistone,is there much point when there is very little between them? (from what i can think Hade Edge & Crow Edge are the 2 biggest settlements,neither are hardly big places) You'd be best off improving links from Holmfirth to its nearest stations (Brockholes or Honley would make the most sense) plus introducing a combo ticket - you'd at least have a better chance of gaining passengers compared to running hourly buses over the moors. 502 is been used as an example of an old route been resurrected which started off naff on resurrection but is improving. At the minute no operator as brought any brand new routes in to play for a few years but i agree 100% it would be best at the moment to strength localised connections is what's needed so using your example of improving links to Holmfirth with neighbouring villages Brockholes & Honley is one good one South Pennine's 309 could have good potential for Honley to Holmfirth service as it runs 2 trips 6 days a week. Stotts' H6 could provide better connections if the timetable flowed and ran full circulars First's 310 & 314 currently provide regular Connections between Holmfirth & Honley from early morning to late night with support from 308 & 316 during the day. Now with the inter area daysaver idea , does anyone know if the one CT Plus, Powells & South Pennine works as there's no real common connections with them to flow but could it be built on to say include, First, Stotts & Team Pennine to give more interconnectivity scope. For the Daysaver you mentioned,there is a Holme Valley local ticket valid on First,Team Pennine,Stotts & South Pennine. The idea i was thinking of was more on the line of the Holmefirth Connection ticket First do on the 310/314/316 but for Penistone/Barnsley/Meadowhall/Sheffield,with an improved minibus service such as the 309 acting as the feeder. For Brockholes a return to the old H4/6 that combined into a circular might be the best option. I have some more examples of resurrected routes. These ones aren't really resurrected but the regular service was cut and then reintroduced. 7 between Rawtenstall, Bacup and Todmorden had a regular service 2 decades ago. However, the services were then cut down to 3 buses per day in each direction however regular use cut it up to hourly however it was degraded to 2 hourly as the hourly service was too frequent. However, it still keeps the regular link. As well as this, 402 used to be the only bus between Leeds and Selby which was an infrequent service as the 403 was between Sherburn-in-Elmet and Selby. The service was then made to be regular. But you still have to look at each reasoning why routes was resurrected or improved - The 402/3 has the growth of Sherburn Village,Sherburn Ind Est & East Leeds areas (even then it still ended up getting made fairly infrequent on the Sherburn > Selby leg now its the 164),the expansion of Denholme played in 502's favor as well but for the Homfirth > Penistone or Denby Dale > Barnsley routes,theres nothing that has changed much since the previous attempts at more frequent services - its still mostly open moors with the odd village & the larger populated places as you get closer to Barnsley will probably have Stagecoach tickets (assuming they don't have a car) |
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 12, 2022 0:24:43 GMT 1
502 is been used as an example of an old route been resurrected which started off naff on resurrection but is improving. At the minute no operator as brought any brand new routes in to play for a few years but i agree 100% it would be best at the moment to strength localised connections is what's needed so using your example of improving links to Holmfirth with neighbouring villages Brockholes & Honley is one good one South Pennine's 309 could have good potential for Honley to Holmfirth service as it runs 2 trips 6 days a week. Stotts' H6 could provide better connections if the timetable flowed and ran full circulars First's 310 & 314 currently provide regular Connections between Holmfirth & Honley from early morning to late night with support from 308 & 316 during the day. Now with the inter area daysaver idea , does anyone know if the one CT Plus, Powells & South Pennine works as there's no real common connections with them to flow but could it be built on to say include, First, Stotts & Team Pennine to give more interconnectivity scope. For the Daysaver you mentioned,there is a Holme Valley local ticket valid on First,Team Pennine,Stotts & South Pennine. The idea i was thinking of was more on the line of the Holmefirth Connection ticket First do on the 310/314/316 but for Penistone/Barnsley/Meadowhall/Sheffield,with an improved minibus service such as the 309 acting as the feeder. For Brockholes a return to the old H4/6 that combined into a circular might be the best option. I have some more examples of resurrected routes. These ones aren't really resurrected but the regular service was cut and then reintroduced. 7 between Rawtenstall, Bacup and Todmorden had a regular service 2 decades ago. However, the services were then cut down to 3 buses per day in each direction however regular use cut it up to hourly however it was degraded to 2 hourly as the hourly service was too frequent. However, it still keeps the regular link. As well as this, 402 used to be the only bus between Leeds and Selby which was an infrequent service as the 403 was between Sherburn-in-Elmet and Selby. The service was then made to be regular. But you still have to look at each reasoning why routes was resurrected or improved - The 402/3 has the growth of Sherburn Village,Sherburn Ind Est & East Leeds areas (even then it still ended up getting made fairly infrequent on the Sherburn > Selby leg now its the 164),the expansion of Denholme played in 502's favor as well but for the Homfirth > Penistone or Denby Dale > Barnsley routes,theres nothing that has changed much since the previous attempts at more frequent services - its still mostly open moors with the odd village & the larger populated places as you get closer to Barnsley will probably have Stagecoach tickets (assuming they don't have a car) That's true and it could work. For a time didnt there used to be the 404 that ran Selby-Sherburn-Micklefield |
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Post by joseph on Feb 12, 2022 8:02:35 GMT 1
Another idea could simply be to extend the 24 a short distance to Upper Denby and have it link with the 83 with through ticketing. Both routes are subsidised so it would only take a bit of work from both SYPTE and WYCA in terms of timetable re-casts and a small amount of funding from WYCA the extra mileage into West Yorkshire.
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Post by Username on Feb 12, 2022 9:45:26 GMT 1
For the Daysaver you mentioned,there is a Holme Valley local ticket valid on First,Team Pennine,Stotts & South Pennine. The idea i was thinking of was more on the line of the Holmefirth Connection ticket First do on the 310/314/316 but for Penistone/Barnsley/Meadowhall/Sheffield,with an improved minibus service such as the 309 acting as the feeder. For Brockholes a return to the old H4/6 that combined into a circular might be the best option. But you still have to look at each reasoning why routes was resurrected or improved - The 402/3 has the growth of Sherburn Village,Sherburn Ind Est & East Leeds areas (even then it still ended up getting made fairly infrequent on the Sherburn > Selby leg now its the 164),the expansion of Denholme played in 502's favor as well but for the Homfirth > Penistone or Denby Dale > Barnsley routes,theres nothing that has changed much since the previous attempts at more frequent services - its still mostly open moors with the odd village & the larger populated places as you get closer to Barnsley will probably have Stagecoach tickets (assuming they don't have a car) That's true and it could work. For a time didnt there used to be the 404 that ran Selby-Sherburn-Micklefield Sorry that was my fault that we are off topic! |
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Post by Username on Feb 12, 2022 9:48:16 GMT 1
Another idea could simply be to extend the 24 a short distance to Upper Denby and have it link with the 83 with through ticketing. Both routes are subsidised so it would only take a bit of work from both SYPTE and WYCA in terms of timetable re-casts and a small amount of funding from WYCA the extra mileage into West Yorkshire. Penistone link sorted with if that idea goes through but what about the Denby Dale to Barnsley link for a regular service. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 17, 2022 23:20:23 GMT 1
As well as this, 402 used to be the only bus between Leeds and Selby which was an infrequent service as the 403 was between Sherburn-in-Elmet and Selby. The service was then made to be regular. For a long time, the 402/403 ran a half-hourly service between Selby, Sherburn and Leeds, with the variations meaning that Thorpe Willoughby, Micklefield, Cross Gates and Halton only saw one or other branch and an hourly service. In 2009, the service between Sherburn and Leeds was reduced to hourly, but the service between Selby and Sherburn was maintained at half-hourly. In 2016, the shorts to Sherburn were withdrawn and the service was run hourly throughout. Additional local services between Selby and Thorpe Willoughby were added. In 2020, the 402/403 was replaced with the 64/164, with buses running hourly between Selby and Sherburn, and 2-hourly between Sherburn and Leeds (more frequent between Garforth and Leeds), and the local services to Thorpe Willoughby were cancelled. Over the last 15 years, the route has been progressively run down and down and down, with every major change seeing a reduction in service. Evening and Sunday services have also been lost, although I would imagine that those were subsidised and so their withdrawal is down to NYCC rather than Arriva. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 24, 2022 8:12:57 GMT 1
Yesterday I saw mainly E200-MMC but also an orange Solo on routes 83/84. So maybe some of the older buses such as the Centros have already been withdrawn.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 24, 2022 11:46:55 GMT 1
Yesterday I saw mainly E200-MMC but also an orange Solo on routes 83/84. So maybe some of the older buses such as the Centros have already been withdrawn. The Centros are now on the other side of the Pennines with Rosso |
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Post by leedsbusman on Apr 24, 2022 12:39:57 GMT 1
Yesterday I saw mainly E200-MMC but also an orange Solo on routes 83/84. So maybe some of the older buses such as the Centros have already been withdrawn. All ex YT buses have been withdrawn except 16 Solos, the Versas, Cadet 1224 and Tempos 1405-9. 167/8 188-90, 1235 and 1402 are all that’s in use at Rochdale. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 24, 2022 13:11:14 GMT 1
Yesterday I saw mainly E200-MMC but also an orange Solo on routes 83/84. So maybe some of the older buses such as the Centros have already been withdrawn. All ex YT buses have been withdrawn except 16 Solos, Cadet 1224 and Tempos 1405-9. 167/8 188-90, 1235 and 1402 are all that’s in use at Rochdale. The Cadet and the Solos, except where eventually refurbished, could be replaced by more Mellor Stratas or acquired E200s, either classic or MMC. I expect the refurbished Tempos to remain for quite some time. |
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Post by chas on Apr 24, 2022 13:54:53 GMT 1
Yesterday I saw mainly E200-MMC but also an orange Solo on routes 83/84. So maybe some of the older buses such as the Centros have already been withdrawn. All ex YT buses have been withdrawn except 16 Solos, Cadet 1224 and Tempos 1405-9. 167/8 188-90, 1235 and 1402 are all that’s in use at Rochdale. What about the 2 Versas and the DAF 2201? |
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Post by leedsbusman on Apr 24, 2022 14:51:20 GMT 1
All ex YT buses have been withdrawn except 16 Solos, Cadet 1224 and Tempos 1405-9. 167/8 188-90, 1235 and 1402 are all that’s in use at Rochdale. What about the 2 Versas and the DAF 2201? I forgot about the Versas. The Spectra was withdrawn in February. |
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 24, 2022 20:55:58 GMT 1
What about the 2 Versas and the DAF 2201? I forgot about the Versas. The Spectra was withdrawn in February. Still shown as in service on the WYIS list |
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Post by leedsbusman on Apr 24, 2022 22:42:15 GMT 1
I forgot about the Versas. The Spectra was withdrawn in February. Still shown as in service on the WYIS list WYIS still lists 179, 1409 and 2790 in use as well but all are withdrawn. It also has the long scrapped 706 and 711 still listed. Like anything unofficial it’s fallible as it relies on what people feed it |
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Post by chas on Apr 25, 2022 8:26:40 GMT 1
Still shown as in service on the WYIS list WYIS still lists 179, 1409 and 2790 in use as well but all are withdrawn. It also has the long scrapped 706 and 711 still listed. Like anything unofficial it’s fallible as it relies on what people feed it Then those in the know should email WYIS. |
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