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Post by stephen01 on Aug 7, 2021 13:17:16 GMT 1
Wonder what service the E200MMC's will be used on when they arrive Depends on what depot they go too.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 7, 2021 13:20:56 GMT 1
1719 and either a commander/cadet or a versa. Yes that is correct. They might even use the Versas for service 502. I personally don't think that the 502 will have a brand name I think it will just be a route number on the brand just like the 1s in Harrogate & Blackburn, 6&7, the7 and your464. true enough. I also can't see the current Holmfirth routes been just one route; back to 2 or 3 yeah but there's no real need for the A variants on 436 & 437.
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Post by leeds rider on Aug 7, 2021 14:23:12 GMT 1
My guess for the September 2021 changes is that Team Pennine may double the frequency on certain routes. New services: 262 Huddersfield to Kirkheaton, may even continue to Mirfield and Brighouse because the Mirfield and Brighouse passengers have been left stranded. My guess is that service 21 will go back to doing the Highroadwell instead of Rye Lane. 20 will probably get reintroduced to a bus every 15 minutes. E4 Brighouse to Barkisland might be exstended to Ripponden as South Pennine Community Transport had alot of feedback saying they should do that. I think it's safe to say that you are incorrect about the 262 - here's the registration:
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 7, 2021 14:43:50 GMT 1
My guess for the September 2021 changes is that Team Pennine may double the frequency on certain routes. New services: 262 Huddersfield to Kirkheaton, may even continue to Mirfield and Brighouse because the Mirfield and Brighouse passengers have been left stranded. My guess is that service 21 will go back to doing the Highroadwell instead of Rye Lane. 20 will probably get reintroduced to a bus every 15 minutes. E4 Brighouse to Barkisland might be exstended to Ripponden as South Pennine Community Transport had alot of feedback saying they should do that. The 262 is running as the Huddersfield-Kirkheaton shorts. The Mirfield link HASN'T been lost as it's covered by 261 HOWEVER Team Pennine would be best of extending the 262 through to Dewsbury again as when Tiger/Centrebus ran the 262 to Dewsbury the 262 ran every 15 Mins with the full route been every 30 mins and same for the shorts, when Tiger reroruted the 262 to Brighouse the frequency dropped to 2 buses every 30 mins on the full route and 1 on the shorts.
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Post by leedsbusman on Aug 7, 2021 18:49:46 GMT 1
Blimey a few getting carried away with their imagination here! As someone mentioned before the Halifax changes are almost all due to the Halifax Bus Station project which sees most daytime services move to new termini.
The only other changes are the closure of the gap in the 20 and 21in the pm and revision of 533/4 to run as a single route via Shibden Valley both ways. The 502 is expected to change later in the year to address poor co-ordination with both the common sections with the 67 and the 526.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 7, 2021 22:59:27 GMT 1
Blimey a few getting carried away with their imagination here! As someone mentioned before the Halifax changes are almost all due to the Halifax Bus Station project which sees most daytime services move to new termini. The only other changes are the closure of the gap in the 20 and 21in the pm and revision of 533/4 to run as a single route via Shibden Valley both ways. The 502 is expected to change later in the year to address poor co-ordination with both the common sections with the 67 and the 526. AFIK I don't think September 2021 is when bus station is shutting down. I think that's for the October changes, It's a gradual shut down
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Post by leedsbusman on Aug 8, 2021 0:02:03 GMT 1
Blimey a few getting carried away with their imagination here! As someone mentioned before the Halifax changes are almost all due to the Halifax Bus Station project which sees most daytime services move to new termini. The only other changes are the closure of the gap in the 20 and 21in the pm and revision of 533/4 to run as a single route via Shibden Valley both ways. The 502 is expected to change later in the year to address poor co-ordination with both the common sections with the 67 and the 526. AFIK I don't think September 2021 is when bus station is shutting down. I think that's for the October changes, No it’s September.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 8, 2021 8:25:13 GMT 1
Has this been confirmed? I don't think it will be X1 it might just be shortened down to 35. The registration has them becoming the X1. Why do you not think that's what's going to happen?
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Post by joseph on Aug 8, 2021 10:20:11 GMT 1
What'll happen (hopefully, I'm on my hands and knees praying) is the X1 will run direct along the main road, not turning off through Shepley or every 2 hours through Shat and Clayton West villages, Clayton West being is only a short walk from the main road anyway. Every time I've used the service through Shat, it's never picked a soul up, same too for Shepley. This is a service which has real potential as it links a major city with a scenic Pennine destination, and with joint ticketing with South Pennine that opens up even more destinations otherwise difficult to reach from Wakefield. Other buses like the D1 serve all those villages with stops on the main road so changes can be done there.
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 8, 2021 10:47:29 GMT 1
Given this is down as a variation that includes "Excursion or Tour" as well as "Normal Stopping" it could be the "X1" is additional to the existing and is a Sunday / Bank Holiday leisure variant
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 8, 2021 11:01:37 GMT 1
Given this is down as a variation that includes "Excursion or Tour" as well as "Normal Stopping" it could be the "X1" is additional to the existing and is a Sunday / Bank Holiday leisure variant We'll have to wait for the full information coming out but looking at the current timetables with the via points listed it seems like X1 is going to be a combination of 436, 436A, 437 & 437A as the 435 doesn't serve Clayton West but the other 4 listed do
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Post by leedsbusman on Aug 8, 2021 13:43:05 GMT 1
If it's September it should post info about stuff now. They will be adding some temporary stops around Halifax Town Centre. Some on Winding Road. It is 5th September trust me as all the services have been registered. There won’t be any temporary stops or any additional stops on Winding Road. Appreciate your enthusiasm, but always better to wait for facts rather than state things which will happen if it’s just a guess on your part :-)
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Post by 77syk7 on Aug 8, 2021 14:07:14 GMT 1
Moving areas - I am surprised to see the 533/4 Northowram circular run by Transdev reverting back to running hourly up the Shibden Valley according to the above notes. This would be the original route (ie 533) before the circulars. For those who are less familiar with the area - the 533 follows the main A58 road for about a mile to Stump Cross and then takes a left turn up Kell Lane / Brow Lane to climb one of the most scenic miles in the network, then sharp right up Cave Hill to pass the rural environs of Northowram, before travelling on the 'main road' through the village to terminate at Stephen Close at the far end by the 'Windmill Tavern'. Kell Lane and Brow Lane are narrow roads with numerous parked cars making progress difficult - maybe this route is set for the new Merc Strata minibuses. Another hazard is the difficult right turn at the bottom of Kell Lane coming back into Halifax where the bus has to cross two lane of queuing traffic on the busiest 'A road' in Calderdale. anyway, we will see what happens, as long as the hourly daytime frequency is maintained, I will not grumble!
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Post by leeds rider on Aug 8, 2021 14:40:33 GMT 1
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Post by moorside on Aug 9, 2021 0:30:43 GMT 1
Moving areas - I am surprised to see the 533/4 Northowram circular run by Transdev reverting back to running hourly up the Shibden Valley according to the above notes. This would be the original route (ie 533) before the circulars. For those who are less familiar with the area - the 533 follows the main A58 road for about a mile to Stump Cross and then takes a left turn up Kell Lane / Brow Lane to climb one of the most scenic miles in the network, then sharp right up Cave Hill to pass the rural environs of Northowram, before travelling on the 'main road' through the village to terminate at Stephen Close at the far end by the 'Windmill Tavern'. Kell Lane and Brow Lane are narrow roads with numerous parked cars making progress difficult - maybe this route is set for the new Merc Strata minibuses. Another hazard is the difficult right turn at the bottom of Kell Lane coming back into Halifax where the bus has to cross two lane of queuing traffic on the busiest 'A road' in Calderdale. anyway, we will see what happens, as long as the hourly daytime frequency is maintained, I will not grumble! I was surprised to see this too, not least because a few years back Brow Lane was closed following the collapse of a retaining wall, and buses operated between Northowram and Halifax via Bradford Road in both directions. Kell Lane and the Shibden Valley route was left without any service for a long period of time, over a year IIRC. One of the Councillors asked when the road was going to be repaired, and it was deemed not to be a priority; and when he said that local residents were finding it increasingly difficult with no bus service, he was told that only one person had complained about the lack of a bus service!
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Post by leedsbusman on Aug 9, 2021 11:24:52 GMT 1
www.yourvoice.westyorks-ca.gov.uk/HBS Read the next step bit it says: Temporary arrangements will include using existing town centre bus stops or, where this is not possible, providing temporary bus stops near the bus station. I do my research mate. Sorry but it doesn’t say there will be temporary bus stops on Winding Road which is what I was correcting. It also says it temporary stops will be provided where it is not possible to use existing stops. All services are being accommodated at existing stops or on six stands in the current bus station which will be retained during construction. As a result of this no temporary bus stops are needed.
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Post by glennh2 on Aug 9, 2021 15:52:25 GMT 1
That link hasn't been updated for over a year but the Sept 5th changes mention Market Street, Albion Street and Wards End which I think gives a clue to where some of the services are going from
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 9, 2021 16:55:58 GMT 1
Transdev have announced the September changes to Team Pennine www.transdevbus.co.uk/teampennine/making-buses-better-septemberNew "Kirkheaton Quick" service 262 Services 319 & 360 branded "HuddsQuick" Services 435/436/437 rebranded as "Holmfirth Explorer" X1 New route on service 533/534 Minor changes on services 20, 21 & 324
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Post by joseph on Aug 9, 2021 17:07:57 GMT 1
Holmfirth Explorer? They wern't half right there, wasn't expecting it to be a combination of ALL the variations! Not so sure I'd number it X1 as that makes it sound like an express bus, which it clearly isn't.
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Post by tinrocket on Aug 9, 2021 17:20:42 GMT 1
What'll happen (hopefully, I'm on my hands and knees praying) is the X1 will run direct along the main road, not turning off through Shepley or every 2 hours through Shat and Clayton West villages, Clayton West being is only a short walk from the main road anyway. Every time I've used the service through Shat, it's never picked a soul up, same too for Shepley. This is a service which has real potential as it links a major city with a scenic Pennine destination, and with joint ticketing with South Pennine that opens up even more destinations otherwise difficult to reach from Wakefield. Other buses like the D1 serve all those villages with stops on the main road so changes can be done there. Shat = Skelmanthorpe?
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Post by deerfold on Aug 9, 2021 18:17:16 GMT 1
What'll happen (hopefully, I'm on my hands and knees praying) is the X1 will run direct along the main road, not turning off through Shepley or every 2 hours through Shat and Clayton West villages, Clayton West being is only a short walk from the main road anyway. Every time I've used the service through Shat, it's never picked a soul up, same too for Shepley. This is a service which has real potential as it links a major city with a scenic Pennine destination, and with joint ticketing with South Pennine that opens up even more destinations otherwise difficult to reach from Wakefield. Other buses like the D1 serve all those villages with stops on the main road so changes can be done there. Shat = Skelmanthorpe?
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Post by joseph on Aug 9, 2021 18:26:47 GMT 1
What'll happen (hopefully, I'm on my hands and knees praying) is the X1 will run direct along the main road, not turning off through Shepley or every 2 hours through Shat and Clayton West villages, Clayton West being is only a short walk from the main road anyway. Every time I've used the service through Shat, it's never picked a soul up, same too for Shepley. This is a service which has real potential as it links a major city with a scenic Pennine destination, and with joint ticketing with South Pennine that opens up even more destinations otherwise difficult to reach from Wakefield. Other buses like the D1 serve all those villages with stops on the main road so changes can be done there. Shat = Skelmanthorpe? Thought everyone from Yorkshire knew where Shat is lol, for those wondering why it's called Shat, it's got something to do with slate mining in the area years ago, slate blocks were shattered by the miners so that I believe is how the name came about.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 9, 2021 18:36:53 GMT 1
Holmfirth Explorer? They wern't half right there, wasn't expecting it to be a combination of ALL the variations! Not so sure I'd number it X1 as that makes it sound like an express bus, which it clearly isn't. Deffo and i'd say looking at the timetable Monday-Saturday it could be tight. Deffo agree bad move choosing X1 as it can be mistook for an express service when it clearly isn't. I'd have gone for HW1 as it's connecting Holmfirth & Wakefield.
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Post by LukePA on Aug 9, 2021 18:43:15 GMT 1
Think the X is more for Explorer rather than Express. Should certainly attract more passengers with a nice and simple timetable and a lot less confusion. Certainly looking forward to seeing the branded Tempos arrive back in the next few weeks.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 9, 2021 18:51:35 GMT 1
Think the X is more for Explorer rather than Express. Should certainly attract more passengers with a nice and simple timetable and a lot less confusion. Certainly looking forward to seeing the branded Tempos arrive back in the next few weeks. Could be or it could be e200MMCs for X1 and Tempos on the 324 & Huddsquick 319 & 360
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