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Post by stephen01 on Jan 16, 2021 17:13:39 GMT 1
www.transdevbus.co.uk/flyer/flyer-taking-otley-21-februaryOn 21 February FLYER A3 will be upgraded to provide a new link from Otley to Pool and Leeds Bradford Airport – continuing along the current route to Shipley and Bradford. It means that customers in Otley have a bus every hour, direct to Shipley and Bradford 7 days a week, as well as a new-look link to Pool and the airport We’ll be adding a full FLYER A3 timetable here shortly. Here’s how buses will be running: Monday to Saturday – Buses will run hourly between Otley, Leeds Bradford Airport and Bradford from 7.20am to around 11pm. Earlier buses will still run between Bradford and the airport from 6am. Sunday - Buses will run hourly between Otley, Leeds Bradford Airport and Bradford from 9.45am to around 11pm. Earlier buses will still run between Bradford and the airport from 7am. Some times on FLYER A2 – Bradford-Guiseley-Yeadon-Leeds Bradford Airport-Harrogate – will be changing on 21 February too. A small number of departure times are changing, and the first trip from Bradford Monday-Saturday is extended to run all the way through to Harrogate rather than finishin at the airport. We’ll link a new A2 timetable here shortly. one that you've missed off is that the 784's changes this week will now be permanent too.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 16, 2021 20:18:53 GMT 1
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 16, 2021 20:37:13 GMT 1
i think its so the MPDs can either do schools or Keighley locals that ir transfer them to Burnley or Rosso with the rest.
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Post by Burnside on Jan 16, 2021 23:49:48 GMT 1
With the 962 being rerouted in Ilkley via Albany Walk and Wells Walk (the route it used when Connexions ran it), I wonder if they are planning on using a Solo? Reason being Albany Walk usually has parked cars on both sides of the road right the way along and when Connexions ran the 962 it could be a hell of a squeeze with a slimline Solo, let alone a full width one. Could possibly be an idea to put 2 of the Merc Sprinter's on it and put bigger buses on, say the K17 & K19 which don't use roads requiring something so tiny.
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Post by dlspotter on Jan 16, 2021 23:52:00 GMT 1
I know that the 784 running just to Ilkley will probably be more convenient for them however I think that's practically them just giving customers to Connexions in my opinion. The fact that the number of Transdev buses per hour from Ilkley to Otley is being cut from three buses per hour Monday-Saturday to just one is going to mean buses will become busier (not ideal in times of social distancing). Anyone on a Transdev ticket and probably the few people traveling Otley to Skipton are going to be taking up seats on the capacity-limited 962 (given the small bus sizes)
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Post by dlspotter on Jan 16, 2021 23:54:40 GMT 1
Also, I know this is quite irrelevant and possibly the wrong time to bring this up, but having read on other threads that First may be dissolved into Metro with them dividing routes between operators or possibly operating services themselves, I would've thought Transdev would've took over the 33/34, which would give them almost dominance in Otley (except the X84, which they may also take over in the circumstances), as well as Yeadon and Guiseley (except the 27) and for most of Kirkstall Rd.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 17, 2021 0:09:08 GMT 1
I know that the 784 running just to Ilkley will probably be more convenient for them however I think that's practically them just giving customers to Connexions in my opinion. The fact that the number of Transdev buses per hour from Ilkley to Otley is being cut from three buses per hour Monday-Saturday to just one is going to mean buses will become busier (not ideal in times of social distancing). Anyone on a Transdev ticket and probably the few people traveling Otley to Skipton are going to be taking up seats on the capacity-limited 962 (given the small bus sizes) Bear in mind the X84 still runs every 30 mins between Otley and Ilkley. When the 784 was created, it overlapped with the X84 and ended up providing a more frequent service over these two points than ever before, which was probably not sustainable.
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Post by js12345678910 on Jan 17, 2021 0:09:17 GMT 1
Also, I know this is quite irrelevant and possibly the wrong time to bring this up, but having read on other threads that First may be dissolved into Metro with them dividing routes between operators or possibly operating services themselves, I would've thought Transdev would've took over the 33/34, which would give them almost dominance in Otley (except the X84, which they may also take over in the circumstances), as well as Yeadon and Guiseley (except the 27) and for most of Kirkstall Rd. That is very interesting. May I ask where you have heard that? And if there was any timescales attached?
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Post by dlspotter on Jan 17, 2021 0:13:12 GMT 1
Also, I know this is quite irrelevant and possibly the wrong time to bring this up, but having read on other threads that First may be dissolved into Metro with them dividing routes between operators or possibly operating services themselves, I would've thought Transdev would've took over the 33/34, which would give them almost dominance in Otley (except the X84, which they may also take over in the circumstances), as well as Yeadon and Guiseley (except the 27) and for most of Kirkstall Rd. That is very interesting. May I ask where you have heard that? And if there was any timescales attached? Some mention of some First Group operations being split up/sold off, entirely a theory as to if the West Yorkshire operation would be I think it's definitely a case of if rather than when, at least for now... travelwestyorks.proboards.com/thread/5938/first-bus-sale-impact-operation
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 17, 2021 0:32:48 GMT 1
That is very interesting. May I ask where you have heard that? And if there was any timescales attached? Some mention of some First Group operations being split up/sold off, entirely a theory as to if the West Yorkshire operation would be I think it's definitely a case of if rather than when, at least for now... travelwestyorks.proboards.com/thread/5938/first-bus-sale-impact-operation I think you could be right because lately all the newer buses have been shipped when the brand new buses have arrived and when the Scanias and 02 reg eclipses have been retired this last 2 years they've been replaced with 05/55/06 reg eclipses again approaching there "sell-by" dates. People thought that when the e400s from Bramley transferred to Halifax the ALX400s would be retired but only a handful of older ones have been with some of the 06 reg Geminis going down South and same for one or 2 of the 55 reg eclipses that had not so long since come up from Somerset. Huddersfield are in the same boat too really as some of their older ALX400s were replaced with the 04 reg Geminis from Leeds.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 17, 2021 1:52:38 GMT 1
That thread is almost 2 years old and the ideas within were dismissed even then. Anyway, back to February service changes...
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 17, 2021 12:24:26 GMT 1
I know that the 784 running just to Ilkley will probably be more convenient for them however I think that's practically them just giving customers to Connexions in my opinion. The fact that the number of Transdev buses per hour from Ilkley to Otley is being cut from three buses per hour Monday-Saturday to just one is going to mean buses will become busier (not ideal in times of social distancing). Anyone on a Transdev ticket and probably the few people traveling Otley to Skipton are going to be taking up seats on the capacity-limited 962 (given the small bus sizes) I don't think there will be any shortage of options for passengers travelling between Otley and Ilkley – the First X84 runs every half-hour, the Connexions X52 runs every hour (although with a reduced at the moment), all of which are booked to use double-deckers – so plenty of capacity and no need for passengers to trouble the 962 going all round the houses.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 17, 2021 15:03:59 GMT 1
Blazefield Keighley news item tells customers from Ilkley to Otley (and assuming that it's also directed at passengers from Skipton and Keighley) that they can catch the 962 for their journey. Does that mean that they're not expecting many. I must admit I don't know what routes run from Ilkley to Otley. I was intending going from Keighley to Otley, then on to Skipton (for work) but that's not really feasible with connections (pun intended).
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jan 17, 2021 15:23:16 GMT 1
With the 962 being rerouted in Ilkley via Albany Walk and Wells Walk (the route it used when Connexions ran it), I wonder if they are planning on using a Solo? Reason being Albany Walk usually has parked cars on both sides of the road right the way along and when Connexions ran the 962 it could be a hell of a squeeze with a slimline Solo, let alone a full width one. Could possibly be an idea to put 2 of the Merc Sprinter's on it and put bigger buses on, say the K17 & K19 which don't use roads requiring something so tiny. The route can be done in a full size bus, which happened on occasions. I never had any problems driving the 961 under ConneXions.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 17, 2021 16:07:58 GMT 1
I must admit I don't know what routes run from Ilkley to Otley. Its well served - Mon-Sat daytime First Leeds X84 half hourly at -15 and -45 minutes and Connexions x52 hourly at -25 minutes. From Otley X84 at the same mins pass the hour and the X52 on the hour (subject to traffic issue en route from Leeds / Harrogate)
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 17, 2021 18:12:54 GMT 1
Blazefield Keighley news item tells customers from Ilkley to Otley (and assuming that it's also directed at passengers from Skipton and Keighley) that they can catch the 962 for their journey. Does that mean that they're not expecting many. I must admit I don't know what routes run from Ilkley to Otley. I was intending going from Keighley to Otley, then on to Skipton (for work) but that's not really feasible with connections (pun intended). Transdev are trying to direct passengers to their other services rather than lose them to other operators, even though it isn't in the passengers' best interests. The 962 takes 40–45 minutes between Otley and Ilkley, as it runs all round the houses via Menston, and it runs Monday to Saturday off-peak only (first journey starts at 0900). The First X84 takes 20–25 minutes, runs every 30 minutes seven days a week (hourly in the evenings) including a full peak-time service starting at 0545 from Ilkley and 0645 from Otley. There's also the Connexions X52, which like the 962 is only hourly, Monday to Saturday daytime, but does at least run on the same faster route as the X84. The only reason I can see for using the 962 to travel between Otley and Ilkley is if you have a Transdev network ticket and you don't want to pay the £3 or so to use the direct First or Connexions bus.
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Post by jdodger08 on Jan 17, 2021 19:52:12 GMT 1
They should have extended the a3 onto Ilkley
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 21, 2021 19:10:12 GMT 1
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 21, 2021 22:01:10 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Jan 22, 2021 12:07:49 GMT 1
Is there an echo in here?
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 22, 2021 17:29:19 GMT 1
Otley to Bradfield in an hour. Won't it be quicker by choo choo?
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Post by joseph on Jan 22, 2021 17:55:51 GMT 1
Otley to Bradfield in an hour. Won't it be quicker by choo choo? Bradfield? If a bus can do that distance in an hour then I won't be travelling, bus of death lol. Otley to Bradford in an hour sounds ok, so long as the price is right. I think Transdev are trying to capture both savvy bus users like me through the A3, and those not bothered about money by way of the Otley to Menston station bus connecting to Bradford trains from there.
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Post by dlspotter on Jan 22, 2021 18:09:52 GMT 1
I suppose for many it'll come down to convenience. Also, if you're coming from Otley center, I can pretty much guarantee it would be cheaper to buy a return from Bradford than to buy a single to Menston and a train ticket. Perhaps they've found people like to change from the A2/A3 to the existing 62 link to Otley.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 22, 2021 18:19:35 GMT 1
And a lot of leisure travellers travelling to Otley for a nice cup of tea, aren’t time sensitive, so will welcome the new link, even if it does go the long way round.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 22, 2021 20:31:16 GMT 1
Otley to Bradfield in an hour. Won't it be quicker by choo choo? Bradfield? If a bus can do that distance in an hour then I won't be travelling, bus of death lol. Otley to Bradford in an hour sounds ok, so long as the price is right. I think Transdev are trying to capture both savvy bus users like me through the A3, and those not bothered about money by way of the Otley to Menston station bus connecting to Bradford trains from there. Plus, like many bus routes, it's serving all sorts of intermediate markets. For Pool to Bradford it'll be pretty quick - they'll now have 2 buses an hour. They've also kept all the links the 62 provided through subsidy, whilst providing direct services to Menston station from the Otley estates - a shame there isn't a connection from the last train from Leeds too. I'll miss the direct link on the 62 to Otley that I've got used to, but it wasn't as big a draw as Harrogate was. I do wonder why the A3 takes a whole 12 minutes longer going towards Bradford.
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