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Post by joseph on Nov 21, 2020 18:39:29 GMT 1
I've been using the 435/6/7 group of services for a number of years and always thought they interworked with the 231/2 at Wakefield, however I've noticed on a few occasions recently that the 231/2 seems to interwork with itself in Wakefield. I've also seen the 435/6 parked up every time I've entered the bus station, going by the timetable, am I right that the 435/6/7 don't interwork with anything and drivers have a 1 hour break? Seems strange, especially as driver changeovers happen at Shepley so within easy reach of the depot, say 20 mins by road using the change over van.
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 21, 2020 19:05:05 GMT 1
I've been using the 435/6/7 group of services for a number of years and always thought they interworked with the 231/2 at Wakefield, however I've noticed on a few occasions recently that the 231/2 seems to interwork with itself in Wakefield. I've also seen the 435/6 parked up every time I've entered the bus station, going by the timetable, am I right that the 435/6/7 don't interwork with anything and drivers have a 1 hour break? Seems strange, especially as driver changeovers happen at Shepley so within easy reach of the depot, say 20 mins by road using the change over van. From what i've seen their is one of the duties that starts in Wakefield for about 0830ish comes off a 231. The 231 & 232 interwork with each other Wakefield side and then 233 at Huddersfield. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 21, 2020 19:23:01 GMT 1
Yes the 435/6/7 running time is just over an hour each way so it can’t be run with 2 buses and hence is run with 3 with a near hour layover at the Wakefield end
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Post by joseph on Nov 23, 2020 8:20:34 GMT 1
That does seem like a massive waste of resources, so basically Metro are paying for a third vehicle and driver to sit about in Wakefield for an hour for much of the service period when all they needed to do was cut the route a bit. Clayton West village for example isn't too far from the main road at both ends, and I know every time I've used them services via the village centre they've hardly picked up a soul. Shepley is another village that could be cut out, or at least have the frequency cut, as again loadings are very low in my experience, and that's at different times of the day and week. You'd think that at the very least, Metro would make use of the third vehicle to do a short working on a local service, say the hospital shuttle?
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Post by mutty on Nov 23, 2020 17:10:47 GMT 1
That does seem like a massive waste of resources, so basically Metro are paying for a third vehicle and driver to sit about in Wakefield for an hour for much of the service period when all they needed to do was cut the route a bit. Clayton West village for example isn't too far from the main road at both ends, and I know every time I've used them services via the village centre they've hardly picked up a soul. Shepley is another village that could be cut out, or at least have the frequency cut, as again loadings are very low in my experience, and that's at different times of the day and week. You'd think that at the very least, Metro would make use of the third vehicle to do a short working on a local service, say the hospital shuttle? The drivers have their official break when driving this service - so it’s not as if they get to sit around for nowt, they’d be sat having their dinner/ tea etc anyway |
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Post by joseph on Nov 23, 2020 20:29:01 GMT 1
That does seem like a massive waste of resources, so basically Metro are paying for a third vehicle and driver to sit about in Wakefield for an hour for much of the service period when all they needed to do was cut the route a bit. Clayton West village for example isn't too far from the main road at both ends, and I know every time I've used them services via the village centre they've hardly picked up a soul. Shepley is another village that could be cut out, or at least have the frequency cut, as again loadings are very low in my experience, and that's at different times of the day and week. You'd think that at the very least, Metro would make use of the third vehicle to do a short working on a local service, say the hospital shuttle? The drivers have their official break when driving this service - so it’s not as if they get to sit around for nowt, they’d be sat having their dinner/ tea etc anyway Well that's a lot of breaks bearing in mind most hours have the 1 hour layover, with some drivers having their lunch or tea break in the morning by the sounds of it lol |
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Post by jst on Nov 23, 2020 20:54:36 GMT 1
If you trimmed parts of the route off to get it under an hour not only do you cut off paying customers you also increase risk of being an unreliable service. You can't run a reliable service with two minute turnarounds at each end all day just to save a bus.
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Post by joseph on Nov 23, 2020 23:40:46 GMT 1
Every time I've been on board, the wait time at Shepley can be as much as 5 mins, and same too at Clayton West. I recently had one wait time three times at three locations, including for a good period in Scisset. Sticking to the main road, together with a tighter timetable, would see more than a couple of minutes shaved off. At the moment it's very close to under an hour in reality with early arrivals at both Wakefield and Holmfirth, even with the slow Tempo's they have lol.
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 24, 2020 0:23:21 GMT 1
Every time I've been on board, the wait time at Shepley can be as much as 5 mins, and same too at Clayton West. I recently had one wait time three times at three locations, including for a good period in Scisset. Sticking to the main road, together with a tighter timetable, would see more than a couple of minutes shaved off. At the moment it's very close to under an hour in reality with early arrivals at both Wakefield and Holmfirth, even with the slow Tempo's they have lol. what you've got to remember is that it wont just be Metro (in this instance) or the Operator that agrees the timetables/routing you've also got Parish Councils still in most areas (along all this route group) that also have a say. If you actually look at the times for each of the routes in the group (now 5 if you include the "A" trips on 436 & 437 sector) some take longer to get from a - b with the 437 taking longest as it covers a combination of 435 & 436 (a slow route you could say) so the extra breaks (hour either end as apparant here) are required to help keep drivers with legal hours. Remember as well that driver change overs are done at Scissett (could even be Denby Dale as that would make sense if drivers used bus to travel up instead of crew vehicle and no shuttle as that's served by 83, 84, 84A & 233 which all serve the Depot at Waterloo). Now i've had a look at current timetable and it takes just over an hour to run Wakefield to Holmfirth with 437/437A taking the longest at 70 mins. It shows there's an approx turnaround between one arrival and the next departure at Holmfirth side. As previously mentioned however Monday-Saturday on a morning about 0800-0830 there's a trip on 435 & 231 each that interworks with each at Wakefield end. |
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Post by joseph on Nov 24, 2020 8:05:22 GMT 1
I always thought driver change overs were done at Shepley as they've always happened there when I've been on, the change driver drives a van or car from the depot to Shepley with the current driver taking that back to the depot, although I must admit I haven't been on a journey where a driver change has took place over the past few months though.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 19, 2021 21:45:14 GMT 1
Does anyone know when Tiger have stopped 231 & 232 interworking with 233.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 19, 2021 22:25:34 GMT 1
The 231/232 are running a reduced hourly service, so I presume since then
Tiger Huddersfield are still running a reduced service on weekdays even though most operators have gone back to normal since the schools reopened
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 20, 2021 0:45:41 GMT 1
The 231/232 are running a reduced hourly service, so I presume since then Tiger Huddersfield are still running a reduced service on weekdays even though most operators have gone back to normal since the schools reopened well it makes sense to leave 231 & 232 to interwork together and have 233 on its own in general |
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