Leeds City Transport Timetable 1964

[kenh]

Just got a November 1964 LCT timetable.  I will attempt to do what www.buseireann.ie did for the 1978 timetable.  
For starters, this book contains only LCT services, so far less services than the Metro timetable had.
All the times are in am/pm format.

1. Lawnswood - Beeston Every 10 minutes, every 5 minutes Headingley - Beeston.  Last buses from Leeds about 11pm, 11:30 on Saturdays.
2. Dewsbury Rd - Moortown. every 5 minutes.
2 Circular. Dewsbury Rd - Moortown - Roundhay every 10 minutes.
3. Moortown - Roundhay - Briggate - Middleton(Thorpe Ln) Every 10 minutes, with extras Harehills to Middleton arms giving a central section freq of 5 mins.
3 Circular. 2 tables for this. Briggate - Moortown - Cornex. and Briggate - Middleton Arms - Cornex.  both basic freq 10 mins.
4. Crossgates - Horsforth. every 10 minutes in the morning to Kirkstall, 30 mins to Horsforth "Fleece" 7.5 and 30 minutes in the afternoons
5. Swinegate - Beeston. Morning rush hour, lunchtimes and evening rush hour only. No weekend service
6. Roundhay - Belle Isle. Every 10 minutes.  With the 3 giving a 5 minute frequency between Roundhay and the city centre.
7. Hunslet - North Lane. runs via Infirmary St. Every 10 minutes 
8. Meanwood - Cottingley. Every 15 minutes
9. Ring Road. Selby Rd - Bradford Rd. No Stanningley bypass then. Nice pic of an AEC reliant OPO bus in Charles Roe advert on back cover with 9 Ring Road on destination.
11. Swinnow - Gipton Every 20 mins Swinnow - Gipton and every 11 minutes Greenthorpe - Gipton
12*. Cornex - Middleton(Thorpe Lane). Via Rex cinema.  every 10 mins to Middleton Arms, 20 to Thorpe Lane
12 Circular*. Cornex - Middleton Arms - Briggate Every 20 minutes. out via Rex, back via Swan
14. Halton (Irwin Approach) - Half Mile Lane. 10 minutes in the morning, 7.5 in the afternoon.
15. Whingate (Traveller's Rest) - Seacroft (South Parkway). every 20 mins
16. Whingate (Traveller's Rest) - Seacroft (North Parkway). every 20 mins
** 15 and 16 combine to give 10 min freq Whingate - Coldcotes.
16 City Square - Seacroft(Coal Rd).  Rush hours M-F only. 

More tomorrow. please ask questions.


* denotes services with limited stop conditions. Passengers wishing to alight before a specific stop will not be carried. Rush hours...
LCT buses had a light up panel which said 'limited' when operating limited services. One at the front, one on the rear entrance.
 

[kenh]

I should have said that route numbers under 20 were tram numbers. When trams were stopped, the buses took on the old numbers.

At the back of the book are fare tables. They actually give more routing information than the timetables. So, for instance, service 1 has 13 fare stages including the termini. But only 5 timing points in the timetable.
Max fare is 1/- all the way on the 9. But taking a 34/35 all the way round from Bus Station to Bus Station is only 10d.

23* Central Bus Station - Intake Every 30 minutes. Out via Kirkstall, then over the river up to the Stanningley area. And Angela Griffin the actress (Cutting it, Coronation St and Lewis) went to Intake School.
24* Central Bus Station - Swarcliffe  every 30 minutes.
28* Central Bus Station - Long Causeway.  Hourly. Nothing on sunday mornings!
29 Infirmary street - Middleton(Thorpe Lane)  30 minutes mornings, 20 minutes afternoons.  fare table has Elland Rd and Cross Flatts Park so not sure how routed.
30* Central Bus Station - Ireland Wood 30 minutes mornings, 20 minutes afternoons.
31 City Square - Gledhow. This went via Harehills. Hourly. no evening service. Irregular service on Saturdays. Nothing on Sundays
31 Brackenwood - New Farnley  Half hourly but with a jump to 15 minute frequency for an hour at lunchtime
* I am told the 31 used to go to Gledhow but was diverted to Brackenwood Estate.  I was surprised to see two routes sharing the 31 number.  Think the Gledhow got its own number later.  Buseirann has it as 69 in 1980.
32 Moortown - Pudsey  already extended to Moortown fire station from Carr Manor.  Every 30 minutes.  along Stonegate Rd to Stainbeck Ave, Potternewton lane, then down Scott Hall Rd.  Used to use this when I worked near City Sq rather than trail across to the bus stn to get a 70
33* Central Bus Station - Cookridge. Every 20 Mins.
34* & 35*.  Bus Stn - Alwoodley - Bus Stn. Every 30 Mins.  35 went up King Lane, across Alwoodley Lane, then back down Harrogate Rd.  34 did the reverse. These were supposed to be the longest routes in Leeds. 10d Bus Stn - Bus Stn fare!  47 minutes.
36* Central Bus Stn - Tinshill. 20 mins. 
28, 30, 33 and 36 combined to quite a frequency up Headingley Lane/Otley road.  And there was the 1 as well!
37* & 43*  Central Bus Stn - Shadwell.  37 went straight up Shadwell Ln. 43 nipped round the Ring Road and up Birchwood Hill. Hourly. most terminated at Gateland Lane but 3 a day went on to Strickland Avenue. 
 43 used to be Bus Station - Carr Manor but they then extended 32 from the City Centre to Carr Manor and canned the 43. 
38 Moortown -Whitkirk Every half hour.  Lidgett lane, Oakwood Clock, Oakwood Lane, then past Seacroft Hosp to Crossgates.  
39* Central Bus Stn -Whitkirk. Every 20 mins. Limited stop conditions apply all day, not just rush hour.


More tomorrow...

* denotes services with limited stop conditions. Passengers wishing to alight before a specific stop will not be carried. Rush hours...
LCT buses had a light up panel which said 'limited' when operating limited services. One at the front, one on the rear entrance.

[joseph]

I think the 29 is what the 75 is today between Leeds and Middleton with the Elland Road timing point being where the church is at the bottom of Cemetery Road.

[kenh]

Nov 21, 2020 18:41:48 GMT 1 joseph said:

I think the 29 is what the 75 is today between Leeds and Middleton with the Elland Road timing point being where the church is at the bottom of Cemetery Road.

One task i have in my 'when bored' list is to make a spreadsheet of leeds bus numbers routes based on the 1964 timetable, www.buseireann.ie's list and current services.  Should while away the long winter evenings!


Service 29 fare stages.  Infirmary St, Queen St, Armley Rd, Willoughby Mount, Elland Road, Cross Flatts Park, Jessamine Avenue, Rex Cinema, Golf House, Middleton Arms, Acre Square.  all the way!

The in fare table has Sissons Place as the start point...  No idea where Acre Sq is.

[kenh]

Todays Installment
40* Central Bus Station - Stanks. Hourly in the mornings, half hourly afternoons. There is a WYRCC 40 to Stanks in the 1966 timetable.
41* Central Bus Station - Colton. Hourly in the mornings, half hourly afternoons. some short workings to Whitkirk church in rush hours.
42/66 Harehills - Lower Wortley/Leysholme Estate. 10 mins in the morning, 5 mins Harehills-Eastgatem 7.5 mins Eastgate - Lwr Wortley/Leysholme Est. unhelpful timetable, has a row for Lower Wortley or Leysholme Est, but you have to guess the destination. but there is a separate 66 timetable later. Busy bus for St James' Hosp.
44 Halton Moor - Stanningley. Every 20 mins, but short workings Halton Moor - Shaw Ln in the afternoon giving a 10 minute frequency. Early and late working to and from Shaw Lane show its a Headingly garage route.
45 Seacroft(North Parkway) - Wortley. 'The little bus' No comment about pay as you enter, so the 'standee' AEC Reliances still in use. Every 30 mins, with some Meanwood-Wortley extras at lunchtimes.

More later this afternoon.

[kenh]

Next exciting bit
46 Bramley(Town end) - Bell Isle/Middleton. Another one that didnt go into town. Every 20 minutes Bramley-Belle Isle. 5 extensions to Middleton in M-F rush hours. 2 separate tables.
47 Central Bus Station - Old Farnley. hourly mornings, half hourly afternoons.
49 Hyde Park - Old Farnley. town centre avoider. every 30 mins.
50 Gipton(Courtier Hotel) - Horsforth. This went via Burley and Hawksworth. 20 mins in morning, 15 afternoon.
52, 53 Morley - Meanwood. Both every 30 mins giving a core combines frequency of 15 minutes. and the 8 follows much of the same route. they follow a loop round Morley, and 52 goes 1 way round the the 53 the other.
54 Rodley - Halton Moor. 20 mins mornings, 15 afternoons.
55. Leeds(Sovereign St) - Bruntcliffe. Joint with Yorkshre Woolen. nothing after morning rush till lunchtimw, then hourly till evening rush. Last bus from leeds at 9 45pm which is early compared to other routes. Why LCT ran this when Bruntcliffe is well outside Leeds City boundary I dont know. Sovreign St is where all the TW services went from. Grim place to catch a bus back then!
56 Central Bus Station - North Lane. This wended its way through the streets of Burley and Hyde Park, much as the 56 does today. Every 15 minutes till lunchtime then every 10 afternoons.
57 and 59. Hyde Park Circulars. 30 minutes mornings, 20 afternoons.
58 and 60. Hyde Park Circulars, but different route. same freq and 57/59
61 and 62. East End Park Circulars 20 minutes, with a blast of 10 minute frequency over lunchtimes.
63 and 64. South Accommodation Road Circulars. Every 20 minutes.
Its easy to wonder today why these circular routes were provided. But in the 60's they served some dense housing and some areas of small businesses. Then they drove huge road improvements, slum clearance through, and the small factories closed. I need to plot the exact routes these buses took later.
65 Leeds(Central Bus Station) - Pudsey 20 minutes morning, 15 afternoons. why does the table say Leeds(Central Bus station) rather then just Central Bus Station? Because Pudsey was a separate borough to Leeds?
66 Harehills - Leysholme Estate. Surely this was covered in the joint 42/66 timetable earlier? But here is a table with just the 66's. Every 30 minutes.
67 Central Bus Station - Seacroft(Monkswood Gate). Every 15 minutes. Never caught one but I think they did Mabgate, Cherry Row, Dolly Lane, Gledhow Rd to get to Roundhay Rd.
68 Central Bus Station - Foundry Lane. Every 15 minutes. so 7.5 min freq with the 67 - they shared much of the route. Foundry lane because they used to mine iron ore and smelt it in Gipton.
69* Central Bus Station - Moortown. Every 30 mins. Well not actually Moortown as this went to Cramner Bank, a fair step from Moortown Corner. This was to be stopped quite soon as the 8 was extended from Moortown to Cramner Bank via Tongue Lane.
70* Central Bus Station - Primley Park Every 30 mins. Thankfully (for me) this had been diverted via Carr Manor Estate some years earlier, so I probably caught more 70's than any other bus.

There are another 5 services to do tomorrow, and then the hospital and night services. Yes there were buses to all over Leeds in the wee small hours. All gone now, but that is progress.

[joseph]

Re the 63 and 64, just to add a bit more info about the area they served, houses were cleared but for many years a lot of the land on the Cross Green side of the river was left undeveloped, with just Frank Dane scrap yard and a few other industrial companies occupying land. Coming up from Hunslet, the road and land improvements seemed to stop at the old green bridge with that being single lane. I still remember a transport café on a lay by next to the bridge on the Cross Green side. For quite some time though up until the mid 80s, I remember areas on the 63/4 was still served quite frequently by, what would have been then, a replacement combining the 61, 62, 63 and 64 but just using the 61 and 62 numbers.

[Bradford Traveller]

65 Leeds(Central Bus Station) - Pudsey 20 minutes morning, 15 afternoons. why does the table say Leeds(Central Bus station) rather then just Central Bus Station? Because Pudsey was a separate borough to Leeds?

Pudsey wasn't part of Leeds until 1974. Fiercely independent, it resisted inroads by both Bradford and Leeds, until local government reorganization saw it moved into Leeds en masse.

[Bradford Traveller]

32 Moortown - Pudsey already extended to Moortown fire station from Carr Manor. Every 30 minutes. along Stonegate Rd to Stainbeck Ave, Potternewton lane, then down Scott Hall Rd. Used to use this when I worked near City Sq rather than trail across to the bus stn to get a 70.

Don't know where the North Leeds starting point was but may have changed later as I remember my grandparents traveling out to a pub at the terminus.
Between Leeds and Pudsey, not sure of the route, but think it was similar to the present-day 4/4G.
At the Pudsey end, buses extended and turned round at the Waterloo pub, residence of child star Peter Firth (Double Deckers).

The 65 ran via Stanningley to Pudsey, somewhere in the town centre.

There was also a Ledgard bus from Leeds to Bradford via Fulneck and Waterloo.

[kenh]

Nov 22, 2020 19:10:25 GMT 1 Bradford Traveller said:

32 Moortown - Pudsey already extended to Moortown fire station from Carr Manor. Every 30 minutes. along Stonegate Rd to Stainbeck Ave, Potternewton lane, then down Scott Hall Rd. Used to use this when I worked near City Sq rather than trail across to the bus stn to get a 70.

Don't know where the North Leeds starting point was but may have changed later as I remember my grandparents traveling out to a pub at the terminus.
Between Leeds and Pudsey, not sure of the route, but think it was similar to the present-day 4/4G.
At the Pudsey end, buses extended and turned round at the Waterloo pub, residence of child star Peter Firth (Double Deckers).

The 65 ran via Stanningley to Pudsey, somewhere in the town centre.

There was also a Ledgard bus from Leeds to Bradford via Fulneck and Waterloo.

There were no pubs anywhere near the 32 Carr Manor terminus.  Its where I lived as a teenager
When it was extended to the fire station it wasnt far from the Chained Bull. 1/3 mile.  M&S food store is where the chained bull was

 

[kenh]

Nov 22, 2020 18:06:32 GMT 1 Bradford Traveller said:

65 Leeds(Central Bus Station) - Pudsey 20 minutes morning, 15 afternoons. why does the table say Leeds(Central Bus station) rather then just Central Bus Station? Because Pudsey was a separate borough to Leeds?

Pudsey wasn't part of Leeds until 1974. Fiercely independent, it resisted inroads by both Bradford and Leeds, until local government reorganization saw it moved into Leeds en masse.

Yes. the 72 is headed as Leeds(Infirmary Street), so the out of Leeds argument stacks up.  

[kenh]

Home strait.

71. Greenthorpe - Headingly. Rush hours only so only 5 a day. Via Kirkstall. terminated at the bus garage.
72* Leeds(Infirmary Street) - Bradford. Joint with Bradford City Transport. Not sure when this went to the Bus station but definitely remember Bradford blue buses in the Bus Station. Half hourly in the mornings, 20 minutes afternoons. Limited stop conditions apply for journies from Bradford as well as journies from Leeds. Timed to do it in 35 minutes, but now its 50.
73 Greenthorpe - Moor Grange. a run through West Leeds. every hour. says pay as you enter buses so assume the little AEC Reliances.
74 Belle Isle - Moor Grange. this runs via town and Burley Rd. Every 15 minutes.
77 Gipton (Coldcotes Circus) - Bramley. 20 minutes Morninng, 15 Afternoon. Fare stages at Eastgate and town hall so a Headrow bus, not City Sq
100 1 bus a week to Meanwood Park Hospital on Saturdays.
101 1 bus a day in the afternoons to Cookridge and Ida Hospital, and an evening bus on Weds, Sats and Suns.
140 1 evening bus a day to Killingbeck Hospital, with afternoon buses Wednesdays, Sats and Sundays.
One has to sympathise with people making these journies, visiting very sick patients. Meanwood was a mental hospital, Cookridge and Ida was a convalescent hospital and a centre for cancer treatments, and Killingbeck had morphed from a TB sanatorium into a specialist centre for chest and heart disease. They were the Yorkshire centre for heart transplants.

Night buses. 3-4 buses down the main arterial routes. One just before midnight (remember the day routes stopped at 11pm) So for example, up Chapeltown Road/Harrogate road there were buses from Infirmary st at 11:45pm, 12:30am, 1:30, 3:30 and 4:10. after midnight it was double the day fare. I used to get the 1:30 one after a night on the sauce in the mid 70's and it was often full and standing. No night buses in Leeds now.
There is an odd 2:00am from Infirmary St that goes up Headingley Lane to Shaw lane, then seems to follow the 44 route to the Shaftesbury Cinema, then strikes off to Whitkirk. But not Saturdays.

There there are the fare tables. There is a fare from Briggate on the 2 circular, up Chapletown road, Street lane, then down Roundhay Road to Briggate, then down to Middleton, all for 10d. Its a shilling all the way on the Ring Road from Whitkirk to Stanningley. 10d all the way from Moortown to Pudsey on the 32, its 10d Bus Station to Bus Station via Alwoodley on the 34/35. And 11d Leeds to Bradford on the 72.
But most fares that people actually bought are between 5d and 7d. Kids fares were half, rounded up to the nearest 1d. From home to town on the 70 its 6d. but I remember it being 5d and 3d half, so they must have gone up a little before 1964. All fares were whole pennies, no ha'pennies. Minimum adult fare is 2d for 1 stage.
(For the younger ones, a shilling is 5p in new money. there were 12 pennies in a shilling. So 6d is 2.5pence)

[yorkslad]

Nov 22, 2020 13:18:55 GMT 1 kenh said:

Nov 21, 2020 18:41:48 GMT 1 joseph said:

I think the 29 is what the 75 is today between Leeds and Middleton with the Elland Road timing point being where the church is at the bottom of Cemetery Road.

One task i have in my 'when bored' list is to make a spreadsheet of leeds bus numbers routes based on the 1964 timetable, www.buseireann.ie's list and current services.  Should while away the long winter evenings!


Service 29 fare stages.  Infirmary St, Queen St, Armley Rd, Willoughby Mount, Elland Road, Cross Flatts Park, Jessamine Avenue, Rex Cinema, Golf House, Middleton Arms, Acre Square.  all the way!

The in fare table has Sissons Place as the start point...  No idea where Acre Sq is.

I'd had a similar idea. I have LCT timetables from 1959, 1964, 1967 and 1974, plus the Metro timetable from 1977 (I think). Interesting to see how many routes cores remain unchanged since the 1930s (42, 49 (was 41 (was 77)), 50, 86 (was 46)), which ones have been renumbered but broadly the same (7s) and which ones are wholly different.

That 29 is broadly the current 74, I think. Outbound via Infirmary Street, Westgate, Spence Lane to Holbeck, Beeston Road, Old Lane, etc. Inbound it turned at Spence Lane onto Wellington Street, Queen Street, Park Place, Quebec Street to City Square and Infirmary Street. I have a couple of maps; they have the route descriptions on the reverse. I'll see what I can do

[leeds rider]

Nov 22, 2020 13:18:55 GMT 1 kenh said:

Service 29 fare stages.  Infirmary St, Queen St, Armley Rd, Willoughby Mount, Elland Road, Cross Flatts Park, Jessamine Avenue, Rex Cinema, Golf House, Middleton Arms, Acre Square.  all the way!

The in fare table has Sissons Place as the start point...  No idea where Acre Sq is.

According to Google Maps, there is still an Acre Square just off Thorpe Road, and 75s stop at the end of it - although the stops are labelled Thorpe Road Acre Road - so not far from Sissons Place.

[kenh]

Nov 24, 2020 17:06:18 GMT 1 yorkslad said:

Nov 22, 2020 13:18:55 GMT 1 kenh said:

One task i have in my 'when bored' list is to make a spreadsheet of leeds bus numbers routes based on the 1964 timetable, www.buseireann.ie's list and current services.  Should while away the long winter evenings!


Service 29 fare stages.  Infirmary St, Queen St, Armley Rd, Willoughby Mount, Elland Road, Cross Flatts Park, Jessamine Avenue, Rex Cinema, Golf House, Middleton Arms, Acre Square.  all the way!

The in fare table has Sissons Place as the start point...  No idea where Acre Sq is.

I'd had a similar idea. I have LCT timetables from 1959, 1964, 1967 and 1974, plus the Metro timetable from 1977 (I think). Interesting to see how many routes cores remain unchanged since the 1930s (42, 49 (was 41 (was 77)), 50, 86 (was 46)), which ones have been renumbered but broadly the same (7s) and which ones are wholly different.

That 29 is broadly the current 74, I think. Outbound via Infirmary Street, Westgate, Spence Lane to Holbeck, Beeston Road, Old Lane, etc. Inbound it turned at Spence Lane onto Wellington Street, Queen Street, Park Place, Quebec Street to City Square and Infirmary Street. I have a couple of maps; they have the route descriptions on the reverse. I'll see what I can do

I have scanned my 1964 TT and sent it to timetableworld.com so everyone can see it.  Should be online in 2-3 weeks at their next release.  I'll post on this thread when its visible.  

Ones I thought were the same were
1. Lawnswood - Beeston
2. Chapeltown Rd/harrogate Rd
9. Ring road
40 still goes to Stanks.  cross city now rather than Bus Station in 1964, and extended to Seacroft Town Centre.
50 west of the centre is the same. completely different round Seacroft
52 and 53. basically the current 51/52.  Extensions up Tongue Lane and Stonegate rd are newer, but the core Meanwood-Morley thing is the same.  Bit of a diversion round Little London to replace one of the inner circulars.
56. to North St through Hyde Park.
7. was 70, then 71
7A. was 35
7S. was 37
91, was 44
 

Comparisons south of the river will be hard because of the road changes because of the motorways driven through the area. Good luck with that.  Dont forget the fare tables to help with routing.

[kenh]

this timetable is now online.
timetableworld.com/ttw-viewer?token=aa9d18a0-8cc2-4976-8abb-9d6d6fa016c4

I'll get it indexed ASAP.

Edit - its indexed....

[Steve Macz403]

The 67/68 routing via Mabgate, Cherry Row, Dolly lane to Roundhay Road is interesting. Hard to think a route would have ran every 7.5 mins on this section today. I would think Roundhay road and st James sections were covered both by their routes.

I’ve seen some photo history of earliest MCW Metrobuses with 67 on the blinds. Even some AEC regents along Easterly Road too.

The Harehills to Monkswood section is basically today’s 49 routing.

[kenh]

Dec 3, 2020 23:39:48 GMT 1 Steve Macz403 said:

The 67/68 routing via Mabgate, Cherry Row, Dolly lane to Roundhay Road is interesting. Hard to think a route would have ran every 7.5 mins on this section today. I would think Roundhay road and st James sections were covered both by their routes.

I’ve seen some photo history of earliest MCW Metrobuses with 67 on the blinds. Even some AEC regents along Easterly Road too.

The Harehills to Monkswood section is basically today’s 49 routing.

I remember then exiting the Regent St/York Road roundabout to go down Mabgate behind the Yorkshire bank (now a tyre place). When they started building the regent St flyover and closed Mabgate they did Regent Street and did a right into Skinner Lane.

[steve440]

Nov 22, 2020 13:42:10 GMT 1 kenh said:

Todays Installment
40* Central Bus Station - Stanks. Hourly in the mornings, half hourly afternoons. There is a WYRCC 40 to Stanks in the 1966 timetable.
41* Central Bus Station - Colton. Hourly in the mornings, half hourly afternoons. some short workings to Whitkirk church in rush hours.
42/66 Harehills - Lower Wortley/Leysholme Estate. 10 mins in the morning, 5 mins Harehills-Eastgatem 7.5 mins Eastgate - Lwr Wortley/Leysholme Est. unhelpful timetable, has a row for Lower Wortley or Leysholme Est, but you have to guess the destination. but there is a separate 66 timetable later. Busy bus for St James' Hosp.
44 Halton Moor - Stanningley. Every 20 mins, but short workings Halton Moor - Shaw Ln in the afternoon giving a 10 minute frequency. Early and late working to and from Shaw Lane show its a Headingly garage route.
45 Seacroft(North Parkway) - Wortley. 'The little bus' No comment about pay as you enter, so the 'standee' AEC Reliances still in use. Every 30 mins, with some Meanwood-Wortley extras at lunchtimes.

More later this afternoon.

The 44 route was worked jointly by Headingley and Torre Road No.1 garages. From my memory I think through journeys to Stanningley were all worked by Headingley. See my post on Leeds in 1967 travelwestyorks.proboards.com/thread/6051/leeds-city-transport-1967

The 45 was converted to OMO 30/4/67 using mainly AEC Swifts

I have a 1967 route map which details all the roads taken by various routes but it would take too long to reproduce here. Maybe another day.