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Post by WYBS on Apr 24, 2022 18:31:31 GMT 1
In Huddersfield yesterday I saw that some though not all 13-reg Eclipses that have been repainted now have dark blue instead of pink grabrails. I hope the same is true with Halifax examples. Not painted the buses had a full refurbishment. Also at this point I am convinced that the 37687, and 37690-37698 refurbishment is just a waste of money, you would think to put USB ports for First Halifax and Huddersfields busiest route and they don't even have route branding so I literally see no point. One of them I travelled on still had First Leeds branding inside, despite being 'refurbished' the previous week.
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Post by DW1 on Apr 30, 2022 14:15:23 GMT 1
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Post by mattb7tl on Apr 30, 2022 19:18:15 GMT 1
That's a super odd choice? I guess that's a hint we're not getting new buses for a while
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Post by arriva1606 on Apr 30, 2022 21:10:28 GMT 1
And they didn't change the destination system
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Post by WYBS on May 3, 2022 14:50:44 GMT 1
Streetlite 63284 is the first single deck to be painted into the new Bradford livery.
Photos on 'Firstbus Enthusiasts' Facebook group.
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Post by jus363 on May 3, 2022 16:05:43 GMT 1
And they didn't change the destination system Not sure the paint team at hunslet park would change the destination screen, Think that would be up to the maintenance team at Huddersfield IF it was broken ?
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Post by Username on May 3, 2022 20:38:10 GMT 1
This proves Halifax and Huddersfield are in denial with First Bus. Why waste money on refurbishing elderly vehicles as the CEO of First West Yorks said he will refurbish the buses for Halifax. They have a shorter life span than new buses might as well by new ones and I am sure that it is cheaper to buy new ones anyways.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 21:37:28 GMT 1
This proves Halifax and Huddersfield are in denial with First Bus. Why waste money on refurbishing elderly vehicles as the CEO of First West Yorks said he will refurbish the buses for Halifax. They have a shorter life span than new buses might as well by new ones and I am sure that it is cheaper to buy new ones anyways. To be fair the Hudds Gemini has not been refurbished,its only had an exterior repaint & Halifax has had a batch of refurbished B9TLs arrive as well. I'm not sure what you mean by it be cheaper to buy new ones,repainting or refurbishing a bus compared to buying new is much cheaper (£5-10K for a repaint?,around 20-50K for a full refurbishment depending how much you do v £120-150K for a new SD,180K+ for a new DD) especially for the likes of Hudds & Halifax that are hardly major profit makers. Over the lack of USB Ports,it could be First are finding out in Leeds they are probably more trouble than their worth with them being damaged considering some of the areas they operate through (also note that the brand new Streetdecks up in Aberdeen lack USB Ports as well)
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on May 3, 2022 21:47:35 GMT 1
This proves Halifax and Huddersfield are in denial with First Bus. Why waste money on refurbishing elderly vehicles as the CEO of First West Yorks said he will refurbish the buses for Halifax. They have a shorter life span than new buses might as well by new ones and I am sure that it is cheaper to buy new ones anyways. To be fair the Hudds Gemini has not been refurbished,its only had an exterior repaint & Halifax has had a batch of refurbished B9TLs arrive as well. I'm not sure what you mean by it be cheaper to buy new ones,repainting or refurbishing a bus compared to buying new is much cheaper (£5-10K for a repaint?,around 20-50K for a full refurbishment depending how much you do v £120-150K for a new SD,180K+ for a new DD) especially for the likes of Hudds & Halifax that are hardly major profit makers. Over the lack of USB Ports,it could be First are finding out in Leeds they are probably more trouble than their worth with them being damaged considering some of the areas they operate through (also note that the brand new Streetdecks up in Aberdeen lack USB Ports as well) As it stands Leeds, Halifax & Todmorden are the only depots making money. Huddersfield has always been less profitable primarily due to the sort of routes they operate
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Post by mattb7tl on May 3, 2022 22:02:08 GMT 1
To be fair the Hudds Gemini has not been refurbished,its only had an exterior repaint & Halifax has had a batch of refurbished B9TLs arrive as well. I'm not sure what you mean by it be cheaper to buy new ones,repainting or refurbishing a bus compared to buying new is much cheaper (£5-10K for a repaint?,around 20-50K for a full refurbishment depending how much you do v £120-150K for a new SD,180K+ for a new DD) especially for the likes of Hudds & Halifax that are hardly major profit makers. Over the lack of USB Ports,it could be First are finding out in Leeds they are probably more trouble than their worth with them being damaged considering some of the areas they operate through (also note that the brand new Streetdecks up in Aberdeen lack USB Ports as well) As it stands Leeds, Halifax & Todmorden are the only depots making money. Huddersfield has always been less profitable primarily due to the sort of routes they operate That's super interesting! Do you know what routes are causing Huddersfield to be less profitable? I'm guessing it might be the Colne/Holme Valley routes?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 3, 2022 22:35:34 GMT 1
I can’t see how Huddersfield doesn’t make money - The 301/302, 306, 328, 370/1/2 are all busy, and that’s before you get to the X63 that seems to be permanently well loaded
Of course now with lower volumes due to COVID who knows what the current situation is, even the 2/3/12/13 in Leeds is probably much lighter loaded now
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 23:09:52 GMT 1
As it stands Leeds, Halifax & Todmorden are the only depots making money. Huddersfield has always been less profitable primarily due to the sort of routes they operate That's super interesting! Do you know what routes are causing Huddersfield to be less profitable? I'm guessing it might be the Colne/Holme Valley routes? I can’t see how Huddersfield doesn’t make money - The 301/302, 306, 328, 370/1/2 are all busy, and that’s before you get to the X63 that seems to be permanently well loaded Of course now with lower volumes due to COVID who knows what the current situation is, even the 2/3/12/13 in Leeds is probably much lighter loaded now I'm guessing the likes of 323,327,342,358 are marginal at best,328 & 372 whilst having high loads also see frequent vandalism (Bradley,Crosland Moor & Almondbury not being the best areas of Huddersfield) what i think is one of the reasons any new stock has always been single deckers & will affect profitability of the route. Theres also the fact that out of all the towns/city centres First have their operations in,Huddersfield probably is the worst off overall for footfall won't be helping either. Another thing affecting it is also how many passes v fair paying passengers there is,plus the cheaper Under 19s fares introduced more recently so whilst a bus being full,it being profitable is a different thing.
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Post by Username on May 6, 2022 16:38:59 GMT 1
To be fair the Hudds Gemini has not been refurbished,its only had an exterior repaint & Halifax has had a batch of refurbished B9TLs arrive as well. I'm not sure what you mean by it be cheaper to buy new ones,repainting or refurbishing a bus compared to buying new is much cheaper (£5-10K for a repaint?,around 20-50K for a full refurbishment depending how much you do v £120-150K for a new SD,180K+ for a new DD) especially for the likes of Hudds & Halifax that are hardly major profit makers. Over the lack of USB Ports,it could be First are finding out in Leeds they are probably more trouble than their worth with them being damaged considering some of the areas they operate through (also note that the brand new Streetdecks up in Aberdeen lack USB Ports as well) As it stands Leeds, Halifax & Todmorden are the only depots making money. Huddersfield has always been less profitable primarily due to the sort of routes they operate If Halifax makes alot of money surely they should buy new buses.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on May 7, 2022 2:55:22 GMT 1
As it stands Leeds, Halifax & Todmorden are the only depots making money. Huddersfield has always been less profitable primarily due to the sort of routes they operate If Halifax makes alot of money surely they should buy new buses. Not as simple as that. Local depots have very little to no input of new buses. Besides, Halifax doesn't need new buses. Also don't forget Halifax is largely a single decker depot and there's no real new full size single deck on the market (yet to see a substantial fleet of StreetHawks & Eclipse 3s), only the 503, 576 and 508 at a push need deckers every other route can be run comfortably with full size single decks and Streetlites on Siddal/Norton Tower & Commons/571.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on May 7, 2022 6:46:37 GMT 1
If Halifax makes alot of money surely they should buy new buses. Not as simple as that. Local depots have very little to no input of new buses. Besides, Halifax doesn't need new buses. Also don't forget Halifax is largely a single decker depot and there's no real new full size single deck on the market (yet to see a substantial fleet of StreetHawks & Eclipse 3s), only the 503, 576 and 508 at a push need deckers every other route can be run comfortably with full size single decks and Streetlites on Siddal/Norton Tower & Commons/571. There been at least two B7RLEs on the 576 every this week
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Post by Username on May 7, 2022 11:21:08 GMT 1
If Halifax makes alot of money surely they should buy new buses. Not as simple as that. Local depots have very little to no input of new buses. Besides, Halifax doesn't need new buses. Also don't forget Halifax is largely a single decker depot and there's no real new full size single deck on the market (yet to see a substantial fleet of StreetHawks & Eclipse 3s), only the 503, 576 and 508 at a push need deckers every other route can be run comfortably with full size single decks and Streetlites on Siddal/Norton Tower & Commons/571. Really, everytime I seem to ride the 571, there are people standing, the majority of the time. Also Illingworths get quite full nowadays which is why Streetlites are no longer a common allocation. Some bus routes such as 548/9 get heavy ammounts of passengers but just can't run double deckers because of low bridges.
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Post by mattb7tl on May 7, 2022 14:15:34 GMT 1
Not as simple as that. Local depots have very little to no input of new buses. Besides, Halifax doesn't need new buses. Also don't forget Halifax is largely a single decker depot and there's no real new full size single deck on the market (yet to see a substantial fleet of StreetHawks & Eclipse 3s), only the 503, 576 and 508 at a push need deckers every other route can be run comfortably with full size single decks and Streetlites on Siddal/Norton Tower & Commons/571. Really, everytime I seem to ride the 571, there are people standing, the majority of the time. Also Illingworths get quite full nowadays which is why Streetlites are no longer a common allocation. Some bus routes such as 548/9 get heavy ammounts of passengers but just can't run double deckers because of low bridges. First is extremely weird with allocations. Over in Huddersfield, they genuinely put single decker's on busy urban routes and double decker's on rural routes that are empty almost all the time? I will never be able to understand the way first decides to allocate vehicles
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on May 7, 2022 15:18:11 GMT 1
Not as simple as that. Local depots have very little to no input of new buses. Besides, Halifax doesn't need new buses. Also don't forget Halifax is largely a single decker depot and there's no real new full size single deck on the market (yet to see a substantial fleet of StreetHawks & Eclipse 3s), only the 503, 576 and 508 at a push need deckers every other route can be run comfortably with full size single decks and Streetlites on Siddal/Norton Tower & Commons/571. Really, everytime I seem to ride the 571, there are people standing, the majority of the time. Also Illingworths get quite full nowadays which is why Streetlites are no longer a common allocation. Some bus routes such as 548/9 get heavy ammounts of passengers but just can't run double deckers because of low bridges. Going to have to correct you a bit there, the Illingworths can get anything that goes now there's no branding - same as before the Streetlites arrived. Allocation is dependant mostly on the controller in the morning. Physically you can fit a decker under the bridge but it's unsafe due to the blind corner on the other side and again, doesn't really warrant a decker as a single deck can accommodate them easily. Anyway - let's get back on topic of repaints.
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Post by WYBS on May 7, 2022 16:49:05 GMT 1
Really, everytime I seem to ride the 571, there are people standing, the majority of the time. Also Illingworths get quite full nowadays which is why Streetlites are no longer a common allocation. Some bus routes such as 548/9 get heavy ammounts of passengers but just can't run double deckers because of low bridges. First is extremely weird with allocations. Over in Huddersfield, they genuinely put single decker's on busy urban routes and double decker's on rural routes that are empty almost all the time? I will never be able to understand the way first decides to allocate vehicles Can sometimes be to do with certain routes going on/ coming off of school workings. One of 308s for example (14:20 Ex Huddersfield) used to go onto a school route once it got to Holmfirth, not sure if it still does. That's a route that definitely doesn't need deckers, and to be fair now gets more of a variety as it interworks with other routes.
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Post by jus363 on May 8, 2022 16:13:37 GMT 1
First Huddersfield 37038 into HD connect livery, Think this is also a transfer from Bradford
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Post by ricardoat4 on May 10, 2022 16:33:03 GMT 1
Second Bradford Streetlite done 63286
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 11, 2022 21:25:19 GMT 1
Second Bradford Streetlite done 63286 I wonder if they are planning on repainting the X6 streetdecks, or at least take the branding off, seeing as they aren’t used on the X6 anymore
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Post by dlspotter on May 12, 2022 0:01:07 GMT 1
Second Bradford Streetlite done 63286 I wonder if they are planning on repainting the X6 streetdecks, or at least take the branding off, seeing as they aren’t used on the X6 anymore I feel they could be well used on the X63 (unless they don't comply with the CAZ but I feel they would), but I remember there was a discussion not too long ago about using them on the X63 because they don't have guidewheels
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Post by mattb7tl on May 12, 2022 10:38:20 GMT 1
I wonder if they are planning on repainting the X6 streetdecks, or at least take the branding off, seeing as they aren’t used on the X6 anymore I feel they could be well used on the X63 (unless they don't comply with the CAZ but I feel they would), but I remember there was a discussion not too long ago about using them on the X63 because they don't have guidewheels I would love for this to happen! However, I remember hearing something about streetdecks as a whole being unable to go on guideways completely?
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Post by jus363 on May 12, 2022 11:53:40 GMT 1
I wonder if they are planning on repainting the X6 streetdecks, or at least take the branding off, seeing as they aren’t used on the X6 anymore I feel they could be well used on the X63 (unless they don't comply with the CAZ but I feel they would), but I remember there was a discussion not too long ago about using them on the X63 because they don't have guidewheels Isn't the X63 run by Huddersfield now?
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