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Post by Burnside on Mar 8, 2017 14:56:53 GMT 1
Northern conductors who are members of the RMT union are walking out for 24hrs on Monday. Northern claim to be able to run 40% of the usual service but those lines that do have a service will have later first trains than normal and will have their last trains around 6pm. Notable changes to normal is that Ilkley and Skipton to Leeds retains the roughly half hourly frequency (but with late start and early finish), while Ilkley/Skipton to Bradford services start later, finish earlier and only run hourly (with a couple of 2 hour gaps in between). Leeds - Armathwaite and Leeds - Lancaster/Morecambe/Heysham trains will not run. Leeds to Man Vic looks to be hourly Leeds to Hebden Bridge via Bradford and hourly Leeds to Rochdale via Brighouse, with separate Man Vic to Rochdale and Man Vic to Todmorden trains, while York to Blackpool North is running as two separate services York to Bradford Interchange and Blackpool North to Burnley Central (all stops, incorporating part of the Blackpool South to Colne service). www.northernrailway.co.uk/industrial-action |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 8, 2017 18:19:58 GMT 1
Since you posted that they've also now laid on some special bus services including Barnsley to Denby Dale.
Also rail ticket holders can use Arriva and Yorkshire Tiger buses for free
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Post by northerner on Mar 8, 2017 20:38:16 GMT 1
Also rail ticket holders can use Arriva and Yorkshire Tiger buses for free Good to see common sense being used, but with places like Pontefract and Glasshoughton seeing no trains on Monday routes like the 410 could be overcrowded. Transdev Keighley are running additional 760 journeys but it seems no capacity increase for the 66 or 662 |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 8, 2017 20:43:58 GMT 1
Also rail ticket holders can use Arriva and Yorkshire Tiger buses for free Good to see common sense being used, but with places like Pontefract and Glasshoughton seeing no trains on Monday routes like the 410 could be overcrowded. Transdev Keighley are running additional 760 journeys but it seems no capacity increase for the 66 or 662 The Keighley to Bradford trains aren't usually very busy - I suspect the 662 has enough capacity to absorb those who switch. And there's other buses to Bradford from Bingley, Saltaire and Shipley. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 8, 2017 20:53:03 GMT 1
They are also providing extra buses on the X43 and X41, and by the sounds of it extra duplicate buses on the 36 in the afternoon if required.
Of course it's not as if Transdev have millions of spare buses, or even drivers in the morning peak to increase capacity on all flows, especially as Northern effect all their operations both sides of the Pennines.
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Post by northerner on Mar 8, 2017 22:22:53 GMT 1
Good to see common sense being used, but with places like Pontefract and Glasshoughton seeing no trains on Monday routes like the 410 could be overcrowded. Transdev Keighley are running additional 760 journeys but it seems no capacity increase for the 66 or 662 The Keighley to Bradford trains aren't usually very busy - I suspect the 662 has enough capacity to absorb those who switch. And there's other buses to Bradford from Bingley, Saltaire and Shipley. The morning peak journeys in to Bradford are often well loaded though, and as Transdev have pointed out there are no trains before 7am/after 7pm so it was more these times where I was thinking additional capacity could be provided. The 66 could be interesting too, as the Versa's are often busy. Might make more sense to take the Presidents off the 697s for the 66, I'm sure one day of Dalesway branded buses on the 697 would cause no harm! |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 8, 2017 23:50:39 GMT 1
The Keighley to Bradford trains aren't usually very busy - I suspect the 662 has enough capacity to absorb those who switch. And there's other buses to Bradford from Bingley, Saltaire and Shipley. The morning peak journeys in to Bradford are often well loaded though, and as Transdev have pointed out there are no trains before 7am/after 7pm so it was more these times where I was thinking additional capacity could be provided. The 66 could be interesting too, as the Versa's are often busy. Might make more sense to take the Presidents off the 697s for the 66, I'm sure one day of Dalesway branded buses on the 697 would cause no harm! It wouldn't surprise me to find deckers on the route on Monday. I'd check, but I'm in London that day (fortunately travelling down on the Sunday). |
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Post by SF07 on Mar 9, 2017 22:21:45 GMT 1
Northern are also saying that tickets will be valid on the Metrolink in Greater Manchester with TfGM saying that extra capacity will be added on the Eccles, East Didsbury, Ashton and Rochdale/Oldham lines. Doesn't appear to be any services on the Huddersfield-Manchester line via Slaithwaite & Marsden, so could imagine that the 181, 183, 184 and 185 services being busier between Marsden and Huddersfield to connect with TransPennine Express to Leeds, Dewsbury, Stalybridge and Manchester, unless anyone fancies a slower journey through Saddleworth on the 184 to/from Oldham & Manchester. beta.tfgm.com/industrial-action |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 9, 2017 23:24:50 GMT 1
Of course a large number of rail users do own cars so will opt to use them on Monday particularly when the bus/trains that are running involves a complicated slow journey.
First haven't announced any extra X6's or 72's, let's hope the latter doesn't throw out any single decks.
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Post by northerner on Mar 10, 2017 20:00:58 GMT 1
Of course a large number of rail users do own cars so will opt to use them on Monday particularly when the bus/trains that are running involves a complicated slow journey. Indeed, although for those who work where car parking is limited it's not always an option Where I work we received an email today asking people (not just those who commute by train) to consider working from home or alternative office sites where possible, or to make use of flexible working agreements. Given the info has been out for some time, and has been well publicised I can't see the strike causing too many problems on Monday |
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Post by gooderson1 on Mar 10, 2017 21:45:31 GMT 1
When I lived in Kent it was a short trip into London and then travel on the Docklands Light Railway which operates without a driver but uses a train captain. I have visited Singapore which operates a metro system without drivers or guards. Kuala Lumpar in Malaysia operates a driver only system. All these systems appear to operate without any problems. The disputes around the UK appears to be an operation by the RMT "to save our jobs at all costs" . I now await stick from everybody for my comments.
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Post by davopazza on Mar 10, 2017 21:55:01 GMT 1
When I lived in Kent it was a short trip into London and then travel on the Docklands Light Railway which operates without a driver but uses a train captain. I have visited Singapore which operates a metro system without drivers or guards. Kuala Lumpar in Malaysia operates a driver only system. All these systems appear to operate without any problems. The disputes around the UK appears to be an operation by the RMT "to save our jobs at all costs" . I now await stick from everybody for my comments. I will proberbly receive the same but I agree. I have collegues in the South who have has first had experience of the Southern dispute. One of them have turned down job offers as they find the services so unreliable now and know of other who have had adverse effects. Even to the point where they can't get into the office due to the sheer amount of traffic on the roads. It appears to me that DOO is coming and it's not going to be stopped. If the same thing is going to happen to Northern as it has done Southern it's going to be interesting and affect a lot more people then just rail users. I do think it's great that Arriva bus is helping out by giving the free travel. I read a comment somewhere that maybe the monopoly is not a bad thing. |
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 10, 2017 23:26:12 GMT 1
They are also providing extra buses on the X43 and X41, and by the sounds of it extra duplicate buses on the 36 in the afternoon if required. Of course it's not as if Transdev have millions of spare buses. 12 deckers, ignoring Olympians, are currently spare; the recently displaced Coastliner vehicles 411-417 & 419 (unless they have gone back off lease), plus 439 and 440, and Presidents 2702 and 2705 . There are also the displaced Unibus B10BLEs along with a variety of other B10s and B7s albeit most are for disposal and may not be service ready. |
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Mar 11, 2017 11:55:25 GMT 1
They are also providing extra buses on the X43 and X41, and by the sounds of it extra duplicate buses on the 36 in the afternoon if required. Of course it's not as if Transdev have millions of spare buses. 12 deckers, ignoring Olympians, are currently spare; the recently displaced Coastliner vehicles 411-417 & 419 (unless they have gone back off lease), plus 439 and 440, and Presidents 2702 and 2705 . There are also the displaced Unibus B10BLEs along with a variety of other B10s and B7s albeit most are for disposal and may not be service ready. Maybe bus companies should have reserve fleets of recently withdrawn vehicles kept for about a year before disposal to cover for strikes by rail companies & other occasions where there could be short term high demand for travel , but will probably never happen as A, the companies would want to dispose of redundant assets asap & get something for them & B, they would need extra drivers to cover the extra services. |
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Post by northerner on Mar 11, 2017 12:57:45 GMT 1
How often would there be the demand though? I suspect finding drivers wouldn't be too difficult as there would likely be volunteers for overtime
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Post by SF07 on Mar 12, 2017 15:46:20 GMT 1
South Pennine CT are allowing anyone with train tickets between Marsden and Slaithwaite to travel on the 938 for free tomorrow. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 12, 2017 23:47:38 GMT 1
Nice gesture, but I can't imagine anyone would have "valid rail tickets" between Marsden and Slaithwaite and want to make that journey, i.e not metrocard holders or pensioners.
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Post by gooderson1 on Mar 12, 2017 23:55:33 GMT 1
Given that the S Peenine CT routes between Marsden and Slaithwaite operate between about 0900 and 1600 free travel using a rail ticket will be of little or no use to commuters.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 13, 2017 19:27:38 GMT 1
@keighleybus have tweeted there's deckers on the 66 this afternoon. I don't know about this morning.
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