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Post by SCH117X on Jan 25, 2021 19:21:56 GMT 1
Might be some handing back of contracts, not unknown; something Connexions / Harrogate Coach Travel did all too often a while back. No monopoly issues as these are tendered services and in fact having it operated by the main operator encourages better use with the availability of through ticketing.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 25, 2021 20:38:07 GMT 1
They’re only the contracts that were awarded in 2019 and 2020.
Based on standard 5 year contracts, you’d need the 2016 document to see what is due this year
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 25, 2021 22:21:55 GMT 1
List of services due for renewal (taken from another forum)
4 Burnley - Worsthorne via Cheviot Avenue (Transdev) 14 Burnley local service (Holmeswood) 15 Burnley - Rose Hill Circular (Boomerang) 24A Chorley - Blackburn (Stagecoach) 64 Burnley - Clitheroe via Lowerhouse and Whalley (Boomerang) 65 Burnley - Nelson via Lowerhouse, Higham and Barrowford (Boomerang) 66 Clitheroe - Nelson via Newchurch (Boomerang) 67 Clitheroe - Nelson via Blacko (Boomerang) 95 Colne - Burnley (Holmeswood) 95A Colne - Burnley Hospital (Holmeswood)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 25, 2021 22:27:52 GMT 1
The 4 in question is a Clitheroe local service (interworks one of the Clitheroe services listed above), not the Transdev Burnley service
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Post by sharksmith on Jan 25, 2021 22:45:08 GMT 1
List of services due for renewal (taken from another forum) 4 Burnley - Worsthorne via Cheviot Avenue (Transdev) 14 Burnley local service (Holmeswood) 15 Burnley - Rose Hill Circular (Boomerang) 24A Chorley - Blackburn (Stagecoach) 64 Burnley - Clitheroe via Lowerhouse and Whalley (Boomerang) 65 Burnley - Nelson via Lowerhouse, Higham and Barrowford (Boomerang) 66 Clitheroe - Nelson via Newchurch (Boomerang) 67 Clitheroe - Nelson via Blacko (Boomerang) 95 Colne - Burnley (Holmeswood) 95A Colne - Burnley Hospital (Holmeswood) For those who weren't aware Boomerang is the official name of PilkingtonBus. Looks like around 10/11 buses work here although I've seen reports on Facebook of anything between 18 and 23 Mellor Strata's on order. The tweet mentioned about 40 new jobs so I wonder if there are a few more routes in addition to these, or of course it could be a bunch of school contracts as well.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 26, 2021 0:12:44 GMT 1
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Post by dlspotter on Jan 26, 2021 14:14:10 GMT 1
Well the post by Transdev specified that they were taking over locals in 'Burnley, Blackburn and the Ribble Valley' so I can imagine that that may include some Clitheroe locals. Also, the 24A it would be advantageous for Transdev to take over however given it's also on another Chorley based tender I'm not too sure.
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Post by dlspotter on Jan 27, 2021 23:11:32 GMT 1
The gains seem to be as follows: Preston - Bamber Bridge - Leyland (Rosso) (unsure what was, service registered as 113 but service 113 is a Stagecoach Preston to Wigan, the Holmeswood service 112 operates Preston - BB - Leyland) Burnley - Padiham - Sabden - Clitheroe (Burnley BC) was Pilkingtonbus 64 Burnley and Pendle 'Local Services' (Burnley BC) was Holmeswood routes Burnley - Padiham - Fence - Nelson - Hospital (Burnley BC) was Pilkingtonbus 65 Pendleside Rural Services (Burnley BC) was Pilkingtonbus 66 & 67
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Post by dlspotter on Feb 9, 2021 14:29:40 GMT 1
New Hotline buses to begin service on Sunday, wonder when Dalesway will follow on
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Post by steve440 on Feb 28, 2021 22:08:10 GMT 1
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Post by SF07 on Mar 4, 2021 17:10:08 GMT 1
The gains seem to be as follows: Preston - Bamber Bridge - Leyland (Rosso) (unsure what was, service registered as 113 but service 113 is a Stagecoach Preston to Wigan, the Holmeswood service 112 operates Preston - BB - Leyland) Burnley - Padiham - Sabden - Clitheroe (Burnley BC) was Pilkingtonbus 64 Burnley and Pendle 'Local Services' (Burnley BC) was Holmeswood routes Burnley - Padiham - Fence - Nelson - Hospital (Burnley BC) was Pilkingtonbus 65 Pendleside Rural Services (Burnley BC) was Pilkingtonbus 66 & 67 Looks like that the Preston - Bamber Bridge - Leyland route will be the 113, as the Greater Manchester Combined Authority mentions that the 111 service will be extended from Leyland to Wigan. democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s13487/GMTC%2020210312%20Forthcoming%20Changes%20to%20the%20Bus%20Network%20Part%20A.pdf
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Post by moorside on Mar 5, 2021 12:28:10 GMT 1
The Preston-Wigan 113 service used to be my local route when I lived on the dark side, halfway between Preston and Wigan. But in recent years it has been diverted to serve various communities off the direct route, and journey times became ridiculously extended. From Eccleston where I lived into Preston was only a 15-minute drive, but took an hour and a half on the bus! Rerouting the Preston-Wigan service via Lostock Hall will give a much better journey time for passengers travelling from south of Leyland.
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 10, 2021 23:15:26 GMT 1
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 12, 2021 13:06:13 GMT 1
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 12, 2021 13:40:45 GMT 1
That's because its focusing on the more local routes.
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Post by 77syk7 on Mar 12, 2021 17:41:57 GMT 1
This is a considerable expansion of operations for Burnley Bus Co - I do like the name 'Ribble Country' and there are a number of routes here which will be worth sampling. I often think this is a much under-estimated part of the North (and yes, I know it is on the other side!)
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 12, 2021 23:12:30 GMT 1
That's because its focusing on the more local routes. And the fact its on the Burnley web pages - quite how they will handle the 153 is another matter. As it is seemingly under the Rosso licence it would logically go on the Rosso pages but it ties in the Hotline 152 so should therefore be on the Blackburn pages. Suspect it will be operated by Pride of the North / Transdev Go vehicles like the 784 is
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Post by joseph on Mar 13, 2021 8:13:52 GMT 1
I've come to the conclusion that Transdev doesn't know how to apply common sense lol. You've got things such as news items relating to the 784 and Airport services on the York website, clearly neither of these run anywhere near the York division. Who the hell is going to think about looking there when the Harrogate and Keighley websites would be where folk think they may find the info. Then you've got this farce where some, or all info relating to services such as the M4 and 153 don't/may not appear on other division websites even though they run through them.
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Post by leedsbusman on Mar 13, 2021 10:51:51 GMT 1
I've come to the conclusion that Transdev doesn't know how to apply common sense lol. You've got things such as news items relating to the 784 and Airport services on the York website, clearly neither of these run anywhere near the York division. Who the hell is going to think about looking there when the Harrogate and Keighley websites would be where folk think they may find the info. Then you've got this farce where some, or all info relating to services such as the M4 and 153 don't/may not appear on other division websites even though they run through them. I do wonder if you need a new hobby - this one clearly frustrates you. 784 is on the Keighley website, Flyer is on the Flyer website. They are well aware that about the M4 not appearing in Keighley’s times and Hotline in Burnley’s - unfortunately it something the website provider hasn’t been able to resolve yet.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 13, 2021 10:55:41 GMT 1
I've come to the conclusion that Transdev doesn't know how to apply common sense lol. You've got things such as news items relating to the 784 and Airport services on the York website, clearly neither of these run anywhere near the York division. Who the hell is going to think about looking there when the Harrogate and Keighley websites would be where folk think they may find the info. Then you've got this farce where some, or all info relating to services such as the M4 and 153 don't/may not appear on other division websites even though they run through them. The Flyer routes and 784 are on the York operating Licence so would come under them for updates. The 784's latest changes did actually feature on Keighley's webpage as does the M4's changes.
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 13, 2021 14:21:32 GMT 1
One thing that does interest me with the increasing number of operators using minibuses – and particularly minibus-based midibuses – is what their longevity will be. The vast majority of minibus-based vehicles (by which I'm including vehicles like the Mellor Orion and Strata) in public service are less than 5 years old, and you can almost count the number that are more than 10 years old on one hand ... but you can see any number of Optare Solos and Dennis Darts that are still in full service at 15 years old.
Do the current breed of minibuses have any longer lifespan than those built 10 years ago, or are they so much cheaper to buy and run that operators can afford to ditch them after little more than half the time they would keep a regular bus?
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Post by joseph on Mar 13, 2021 19:54:48 GMT 1
I've come to the conclusion that Transdev doesn't know how to apply common sense lol. You've got things such as news items relating to the 784 and Airport services on the York website, clearly neither of these run anywhere near the York division. Who the hell is going to think about looking there when the Harrogate and Keighley websites would be where folk think they may find the info. Then you've got this farce where some, or all info relating to services such as the M4 and 153 don't/may not appear on other division websites even though they run through them. The Flyer routes and 784 are on the York operating Licence so would come under them for updates. The 784's latest changes did actually feature on Keighley's webpage as does the M4's changes. I forgot about the flyer website to be honest, but I still don't understand why the 784 updates have appeared on the York website, although good to know they have eventually appeared on the Keighley pages too. When I checked for updates a few weeks ago, I noticed the news story about the 784 on the York page, but not the Keighley one, so at the time assumed it was only appearing on the York pages. I know that the 784 is on the York licence, but it runs far away from the York operating area so doesn't need to be on the York page.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 13, 2021 20:12:18 GMT 1
The Flyer routes and 784 are on the York operating Licence so would come under them for updates. The 784's latest changes did actually feature on Keighley's webpage as does the M4's changes. I forgot about the flyer website to be honest, but I still don't understand why the 784 updates have appeared on the York website, although good to know they have eventually appeared on the Keighley pages too. When I checked for updates a few weeks ago, I noticed the news story about the 784 on the York page, but not the Keighley one, so at the time assumed it was only appearing on the York pages. I know that the 784 is on the York licence, but it runs far away from the York operating area so doesn't need to be on the York page. Really the Idle depot should logically be on the Keighley operating licence as that's the nearest depot to them with Harrogate been the next closest after Keighley. Coastliner in the other hand should 100% be classed as York as both York & Malton aren't too far away hence why 2019 has appeared on 843 this week.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 13, 2021 20:28:51 GMT 1
They are well aware that about the M4 not appearing in Keighley’s times and Hotline in Burnley’s - unfortunately it something the website provider hasn’t been able to resolve yet. Perhaps they need a new website provider. It really shouldn't take several years to work out. That doesn't explain why they so rarely mention the M4 on news articles about changes in Keighley or when listing changes for Bank Holidays or Christmas.
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Post by dlspotter on Mar 13, 2021 22:05:16 GMT 1
I forgot about the flyer website to be honest, but I still don't understand why the 784 updates have appeared on the York website, although good to know they have eventually appeared on the Keighley pages too. When I checked for updates a few weeks ago, I noticed the news story about the 784 on the York page, but not the Keighley one, so at the time assumed it was only appearing on the York pages. I know that the 784 is on the York licence, but it runs far away from the York operating area so doesn't need to be on the York page. Really the Idle depot should logically be on the Keighley operating licence as that's the nearest depot to them with Harrogate been the next closest after Keighley. Coastliner in the other hand should 100% be classed as York as both York & Malton aren't too far away hence why 2019 has appeared on 843 this week. I believe when the services were registered people on the forum were talking about Keighley 'not having enough routes on the disc' or something similar to do with government registration.
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