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Post by mutty on Jun 29, 2017 21:13:30 GMT 1
4 off the 6 Tempos arrived at Durham today for storage and repaint wonder if they will go in new livery I never understand why they get rid of "newer buses" when they still have 56 & 57 reg singles
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Post by tyresmoke on Jun 29, 2017 22:15:17 GMT 1
4 off the 6 Tempos arrived at Durham today for storage and repaint wonder if they will go in new livery 1307, 1309, 1310, 1311 transferred north today.
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Post by mark51953 on Jun 30, 2017 4:44:34 GMT 1
1703 and 1705 are parked in selby depot this morning
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Post by the110 on Jun 30, 2017 8:24:52 GMT 1
1703 and 1705 are parked in selby depot this morning They are to be used on the York racecourse shuttle buses tomorrow.
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Post by passenger859 on Jun 30, 2017 12:55:36 GMT 1
Thanks for sharing the pic. Still with 163/166 branding.
Is this stuff easy to get off? Imagine it adheres quite well given that 4 years of bus wash brushes have left it intact. Anyone know how they lift it? I remember that the West Riding vinyls in late '80s used to leave a right mess when removed. Guess technology has improved.
Well done Arriva for using the Green buses in York, given the number of ancient and delicate pollution sensitive buildings.
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Post by dimmock87 on Jun 30, 2017 19:09:30 GMT 1
All the hybrids going to York?
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Post by kevg on Jun 30, 2017 19:11:58 GMT 1
All the hybrids going to York? All at Belle Isle, a few are going on loan to Selby this weekend for use on the 197 York Races shuttle.
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Post by dimmock87 on Jun 30, 2017 20:40:35 GMT 1
Does look abit odd not seeing them at cas
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 1, 2017 20:02:02 GMT 1
Notice that the seats on 189 vehicles carry the MAX branding, despite no official Max branding outside. Also noticed lack of charging sockets on side bus walls in front of front upstairs seats, unlike the Stagecoach examples. Nice clean airy interior. The seats on the Sapphire ones also have head rests with the old Sapphire logo on them. So basically the buses interiors are displaying an old brand from the start, never known anything like it
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 1, 2017 22:48:41 GMT 1
4 off the 6 Tempos arrived at Durham today for storage and repaint wonder if they will go in new livery I never understand why they get rid of "newer buses" when they still have 56 & 57 reg singles This can happen to enable standardisation in one area for Arriva, or enable older vehicles elsewhere to be withdrawn and thus balance out the age profile.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 1, 2017 22:53:50 GMT 1
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Post by leem on Jul 1, 2017 23:07:15 GMT 1
All the hybrids going to York? Saw one of the Hybrids this morning at Hall Green at 0820 arrived on service 444 went back as 443.
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Post by A1YBG on Jul 2, 2017 20:22:17 GMT 1
I know we have the reg and fleetnunbers but whats the allocations for Max and Sapphire at Castleford please?
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Post by kevg on Jul 3, 2017 8:57:01 GMT 1
I know we have the reg and fleetnunbers but whats the allocations for Max and Sapphire at Castleford please? 1948 - 1958 189 Max, 1959 & 1971 Max spares & 1960 - 1970 Sapphire 163/166.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Jul 7, 2017 7:36:48 GMT 1
This is probably a slight off topic question, but is there any reason for the 163/166 not to use York road guided busway.
Back many years ago, the ALX400s were using the bus way.
Only noticed the swap onto the Normal York Road stops once the Tempo's were on the route.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Jul 7, 2017 7:37:11 GMT 1
This is probably a slight off topic question, but is there any reason for the 163/166 not to use York road guided busway?
Back many years ago, the ALX400s were using the bus way.
Only noticed the swap onto the Normal York Road stops once the Tempo's were on the route.
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Post by passenger859 on Jul 7, 2017 9:47:07 GMT 1
This is probably a slight off topic question, but is there any reason for the 163/166 not to use York road guided busway? Back many years ago, the ALX400s were using the bus way. Only noticed the swap onto the Normal York Road stops once the Tempo's were on the route. p I firmly believe that they should use the guideway. It annoys me that they don't. Dedicated vehicles so no excuse really. Arriva pulled off the guideway years ago, I think at the time it was something to do with guidewheeled buses not being suitable for bits of the 402/3 route.
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Post by angrycommuter on Jul 7, 2017 13:39:16 GMT 1
That guideway should never have been built, would have been cheaper and used more as simple bus lanes. Saying that, it's been built so buses should use it, particularly at peak times when traffic is busy.
Is there any reason why 163/166 couldn't be renumbered to concurrent values e.g. 165/166. Would make more sense to pair them up rather than having a numerical gap.
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Post by stevieinselby on Jul 7, 2017 14:33:22 GMT 1
I never understand why they get rid of "newer buses" when they still have 56 & 57 reg singles Buses should be expected to last about 15 years in front-line service for a main operator, and potentially more if they are in good nick, so there is no obvious need to get rid of buses that are only 10–11 years old. If some of the fleet are surplus to requirements, for whatever reason, and there are no elderly buses that need to be pensioned off then they will consider several factors in determining which buses to dispose of, including: - whether the buses are owned outright or leased - what resale value they might get (a 10-year-old bus might be worth very little but still have several years of life in it, whereas a slightly newer bus would have a higher cash value), or what demand for them there might be elsewhere in the Arriva group - which buses are most suitable for the routes that need them - which buses are in best condition and/or are likely to need the least money spent on them in the next few years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 14:53:19 GMT 1
This is probably a slight off topic question, but is there any reason for the 163/166 not to use York road guided busway. Back many years ago, the ALX400s were using the bus way. Only noticed the swap onto the Normal York Road stops once the Tempo's were on the route. There is only certain vehicles that can use Guided wheels (i think its only Volvo or Scania Chassis) as thats why Stagecoach had to go with the Volvo/Wright option for the Cambridge busway. When the tempos was first introduced to 163/6 they did have guide wheels to use the busway but was removed soon after due to various problems,after that i`m guessing they decided not to re-use the guideway once they hybrids arrived to give better flexability when another vehicle type had to fill in for a missing hybrid (first dont have this problem as most of their fleet have volvo or scania chassis). Outside of peak times,it seems quicker for Arriva to stick to the main road,as they always seem to pass a 40 or 56 thats stop/start on the guideway.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 7, 2017 16:44:13 GMT 1
The 402/403 has never used the guideway. The problem wasn't with those routes, but with the 415 in York, which was interworked at the time, where if the driver had to squeeze past another bus when passing the pedestrian crossing, when the bus came down off the speed jump, the kerb would snap the guidewheel off from the bottom.
The problem with the Tempo's was that the guidearm to guidewheel attachments were apparently too strong, and when the guidewheels caught anything, rather than snapping off, they would stay attatched, and the guide arms would bend back against the tyre.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Jul 7, 2017 21:11:03 GMT 1
This is probably a slight off topic question, but is there any reason for the 163/166 not to use York road guided busway. Back many years ago, the ALX400s were using the bus way. Only noticed the swap onto the Normal York Road stops once the Tempo's were on the route. There is only certain vehicles that can use Guided wheels (i think its only Volvo or Scania Chassis) as thats why Stagecoach had to go with the Volvo/Wright option for the Cambridge busway. When the tempos was first introduced to 163/6 they did have guide wheels to use the busway but was removed soon after due to various problems,after that i`m guessing they decided not to re-use the guideway once they hybrids arrived to give better flexability when another vehicle type had to fill in for a missing hybrid (first dont have this problem as most of their fleet have volvo or scania chassis). Outside of peak times,it seems quicker for Arriva to stick to the main road,as they always seem to pass a 40 or 56 thats stop/start on the guideway. York Road is a hit or miss, because it means being behind several buses on the guided busway or using the main road instead. Even with the Volvo Hybrids It could have been an opportunity to reintroduce the routes to the guideway again. (especially with first having theirs on Scott hall routes) The 402/403 was a miss, and I suppose you'd have to place guide wheels on All Selby Presidents to suffice them operating on the busway
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 7, 2017 21:59:36 GMT 1
As long distance services they probably don't want to get stuck behind 40s and 56s stopping at every stop and taking ages loading up. I expect most people on York Road use First and probably have their prepaid tickets.
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Post by jdodger08 on Jul 8, 2017 4:10:25 GMT 1
When the Tempos were first introduced and used in service, I was coming home from college and I distinctly remember it using the guide lane. After the official launch and full branding of the tempos they seemed to have taken the guide wheels off. Probably due to a limited amount of drivers with the required skill to drive through the guide lanes. I read somewhere they need to train the drivers to use the guide lanes, so probably cutting costs by not training new drivers to use the lanes. Plus the "ELITE" branding that Metro used on the Bus Stops and Busses using the lane also started to disappear at that time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 12:47:50 GMT 1
Didn't Arriva stop using the guided busway because one guidewheel broke off and slashed the front tyre? If its to do with the type of guidewheels been used on the Tempos there's nothing stopping Arriva now as their hybrid fleet are similar to the Geminis we have on the 7s as they've had no problems, and it would have been nice to see these new Enviro400 MMCs on the guideway for a complete route refresh, but still nothing yet, this is just my opinion.
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