NY April 2015 changes

[SCH117X]

127Ripon - Garsdale Vintage Omnibus Services 7 April 2015 Introduction of summer Tuesday only service

184Easingowld - York Stephensons of Easingwold 05 April 2015 Introduction of summer Sunday only service

185York - Helmsley Stephensons of Easingwold 05 April 2015 Introduction of summer Sunday only service

192, 193Malton - Norton Stephensons of Easingwold 06 April 2015Timing and route changes

194Helmsley - Easingwold Stephensons of Easingwold 06 April 2015h 0755hrs journey from Hovingham to Malton will no longer operate, alternative journey at 0815hrs

152Thirsk Town Service Dales & District 12 April 2015Service will no longer operate

131Ripon Town Service Dales & District 12 April 2015 Change of operator to Shaun's Minibus - see CS1 CS 2 below

74Grassington - Ilkley Pride of the Dales 13 April 2015 Change of route and time of first journey from Grassington to Ilkley, 0900hrs from Grassington via Linton, Cracoe, Hetton, Rylestone, Skipton, Bolton Abbey, Addingham to Ilkley arriving 1005hrs

CS1Ripon Town Service Shaun's Minibus13 April 2015 New Monday to Saturday service from Ripon via Clotherholme Road, Lark Lane, Church Lane to Ripon hourly from 0926hrs to 1726hrs

CS2 Ripon Town Service Shaun's Minibus 13 April 2015New Monday to Saturday service from Ripon via Lead Lane, Mooside Dale, Gallows Hill to Ripon starts at 0907hrs and operates half hourly until 1707hrs

147 Thirsk - Ripon Shaun's Minibus13 April 2015 Change of operator from John Smith & Sons, route and time table unchanged

153 Northallerton - Thirsk Shaun's Minibus13 April 2015 Change of operator from Dales & District. New time table departing Thirsk at 1030, 1230 & 1400hrs and departing Northallerton at 1115, 1315 & 1440hrs

159 Richmond - Ripon Dales & District 13 April 2015Minor timing changes and additional journeys from Leyburn to Richmond

70 Northallerton - Ripon Dales & District 13 April 2015Journeys 1105hrs Northallerton - Ripon & 1510hrs Ripon - Northallerton will no longer operate. Change of route omitting Thornton le Street and Thornton le Beans except journeys 0725hrs Ripon - Northallerton & 1735hrs Northallerton - Ripon. Timing changes on some journeys

31Richmond Town Service Dales & District13 April 2015Journeys 1100hrs & 1630hrs will no longer operate, new journey at 1500hrs. No change to route

73 Bedale - Northallerton Dales & District 13 April 2015Current 0800hrs journey from Bedale - Northallerton will no longer operate. Alternative journeys at 0730hrs & 0830hrs

843 Malton - LeedsYorkshire Coastliner. 26 April 2015 Minor timing changes on the 0640hrs Malton - Leeds

X84Skipton - Leeds First Leeds 26 April 2015 Minor timing changes to aid reliability

[stevieinselby]

Mar 18, 2015 19:24:35 GMT 1 SCH117X said:

70 Northallerton - Ripon Dales & District 13 April 2015Journeys 1105hrs Northallerton - Ripon & 1510hrs Ripon - Northallerton will no longer operate. Change of route omitting Thornton le Street and Thornton le Beans except journeys 0725hrs Ripon - Northallerton & 1735hrs Northallerton - Ripon. Timing changes on some journeys

Odd - there is no 1105 from Northallerton - it's 0955 or 1200.
There's an 1105 from Ripon, but I can't believe they would take out two buses in one direction and none in the other.

Also odd that there's no mention of the Leeming 53, which according to D&D they are not running from 13 April.

[SCH117X]

Mar 18, 2015 23:53:30 GMT 1 stevieinselby said:

Mar 18, 2015 19:24:35 GMT 1 SCH117X said:

70 Northallerton - Ripon Dales & District 13 April 2015Journeys 1105hrs Northallerton - Ripon & 1510hrs Ripon - Northallerton will no longer operate. Change of route omitting Thornton le Street and Thornton le Beans except journeys 0725hrs Ripon - Northallerton & 1735hrs Northallerton - Ripon. Timing changes on some journeys

Odd - there is no 1105 from Northallerton - it's 0955 or 1200.
There's an 1105 from Ripon, but I can't believe they would take out two buses in one direction and none in the other.

Also odd that there's no mention of the Leeming 53, which according to D&D they are not running from 13 April.

Oh well thats NYCC for you!

[jc]

Mar 18, 2015 23:53:30 GMT 1 stevieinselby said:

Mar 18, 2015 19:24:35 GMT 1 SCH117X said:

70 Northallerton - Ripon Dales & District 13 April 2015Journeys 1105hrs Northallerton - Ripon & 1510hrs Ripon - Northallerton will no longer operate. Change of route omitting Thornton le Street and Thornton le Beans except journeys 0725hrs Ripon - Northallerton & 1735hrs Northallerton - Ripon. Timing changes on some journeys

Odd - there is no 1105 from Northallerton - it's 0955 or 1200.
There's an 1105 from Ripon, but I can't believe they would take out two buses in one direction and none in the other.

Also odd that there's no mention of the Leeming 53, which according to D&D they are not running from 13 April.

Am I right in thinking that, when they lost the 72 contract (back) to Arriva a few years back, D&D could just about manage a 2 hour round trip on the 70 using 1 bus? They certainly cut out the detour via South Parade in Northallerton and ran via Ripon bypass to try and shave off a few minutes.

Now it looks like they're having to interwork the 70, 72 and 29 Darlington - Richmond. The optimal Ripon - Darlington running time is 1h 56min.

[stevieinselby]

Mar 20, 2015 20:26:06 GMT 1 jc said:

Am I right in thinking that, when they lost the 72 contract (back) to Arriva a few years back, D&D could just about manage a 2 hour round trip on the 70 using 1 bus? They certainly cut out the detour via South Parade in Northallerton and ran via Ripon bypass to try and shave off a few minutes.

Now it looks like they're having to interwork the 70, 72 and 29 Darlington - Richmond. The optimal Ripon - Darlington running time is 1h 56min.

In the early 2000s, which was when I started to pay attention to buses in North Yorkshire, Arriva were interworking the 70 and 72. The 2003 timetable for the 70 has a 66 minute journey time between Ripon and Northallerton. Buses had a 1 minute layover in each direction at Northallerton, 14 minutes at Darlington and 4 minutes at Ripon.

Dales & District have extended the layover time at Northallerton, so maybe they found it was insufficient to keep the service reliable. With so much slack in the timetable for the 29 (only takes 40–45 minutes each way), it makes a lot of sense to spread the load so that 3 buses can comfortably keep to time across the three routes than one bus having a lazy day on the 29 and then two buses running around like headless chickens trying to maintain a tight timetable on the 70 and 72.

Going further back to 1979, buses from Darlington to Northallerton interworked with buses to Bedale, taking 1h15–1h25 each way. Buses between Northallerton and Ripon took a smidgeon over 1h10 each way. Buses had a long layover in Ripon – possibly interworking with other services although I can't figure out what.

(PS - not sure what period you're referring to – in the early 2000s, Arriva ran the 70, 72 and 73 – Dales & District took over all three routes in 2006. I'm not aware of a time in the last 15 years when those routes have not been run by the same company.)

[jc]

There's a VOSA registration for an Arriva 72 effective April 2007 - April 2011, during which time I'm fairly sure D&D ran the 70. I recall seeing an Arriva Solo parked at the Buck Inn, whereas prior to 2006 it was (presumably ex-United) Metroriders. The first bus towards Northallerton and last bus back operated as X72 avoiding the Cowtons.

D&D/Procters also competed with Arriva on the 73 for a while, each running an hourly frequency until Arriva sold out to them.