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Post by stevieinselby on Nov 6, 2020 20:00:24 GMT 1
So, does this mean the few remaining long distance Scarborough trains will no longer run? If so, that'll add an extra 15 to 20 mins onto all journey times to/from Leeds which isn't great tbh. You can currently get a through train at 08.27 arriving into Scarborough at 09.44, the next one being at 09.10 changing at York to arrive at 10.44, the line speed is irritating enough without adding in a change in York for all journeys which frankly will put some people off. As they are discouraging passengers from making non-essential journeys, I don't think they will be too bothered about the need for a change putting some people off. If that is enough to stop you from making your journey then it probably isn't essential and you probably shouldn't be making it.
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Post by joseph on Nov 6, 2020 20:19:22 GMT 1
So, does this mean the few remaining long distance Scarborough trains will no longer run? If so, that'll add an extra 15 to 20 mins onto all journey times to/from Leeds which isn't great tbh. You can currently get a through train at 08.27 arriving into Scarborough at 09.44, the next one being at 09.10 changing at York to arrive at 10.44, the line speed is irritating enough without adding in a change in York for all journeys which frankly will put some people off. As they are discouraging passengers from making non-essential journeys, I don't think they will be too bothered about the need for a change putting some people off. If that is enough to stop you from making your journey then it probably isn't essential and you probably shouldn't be making it. Well this was rumoured to be happening before Covid, and to be blunt, it wouldn't surprise me if it was permanent as I don't think they see Scarborough as worthy of a proper service. What's farcical is Redcar (as in that ran down place up near Middlesbrough) saw it's hourly service restored with Scarborough seeing only a handful of through trains from West Yorkshire. More trains to a run down seaside town than Scarborough from Leeds throughout the Summer, I really didn't get that at all. As for discouraging passengers, I do so wish they'd use a bit of common sense, so long as your travelling on a quiet day (say a week day) outside of the peak season (which it currently is) then you should be allowed to travel where ever you like. I've already done so this week as I went on the 08.27 Leeds to Scarborough on Wednesday. The train was quiet with only 6 passengers at the most in my coach. The resort had a steady, but well spaced out flow of visitors. The shops had a steady but spaced flow of customers and so too did the arcades. The return journey at 15.35 direct to Leeds was a little busier, but again probably around 12 people at the most in my coach, all of whom were spaced out. I think all this twaddle about non essential journeys needs re-writing to something more realistic such as travel if you like, but don't travel if it's busy and go somewhere quiet, or go on a quiet day.
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Post by jst on Nov 7, 2020 0:52:29 GMT 1
The difference is that running to Redcar costs nothing in traincrew or unit resource. If you didn't run to Redcar and back you'd just sit in the sidings at Middlesbrough for 45 minutes instead.
The December plan of an hourly Scarborough to York shuttle is perfectly sufficient for the Winter season where passenger numbers will be reduced.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 7, 2020 15:42:41 GMT 1
As they are discouraging passengers from making non-essential journeys, I don't think they will be too bothered about the need for a change putting some people off. If that is enough to stop you from making your journey then it probably isn't essential and you probably shouldn't be making it. These proposed changes are after the currently announced end to lockdown.
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Post by stevieinselby on Nov 7, 2020 18:33:41 GMT 1
As they are discouraging passengers from making non-essential journeys, I don't think they will be too bothered about the need for a change putting some people off. If that is enough to stop you from making your journey then it probably isn't essential and you probably shouldn't be making it. Well this was rumoured to be happening before Covid, and to be blunt, it wouldn't surprise me if it was permanent as I don't think they see Scarborough as worthy of a proper service. What's farcical is Redcar (as in that ran down place up near Middlesbrough) saw it's hourly service restored with Scarborough seeing only a handful of through trains from West Yorkshire. More trains to a run down seaside town than Scarborough from Leeds throughout the Summer, I really didn't get that at all. As for discouraging passengers, I do so wish they'd use a bit of common sense, so long as your travelling on a quiet day (say a week day) outside of the peak season (which it currently is) then you should be allowed to travel where ever you like. I've already done so this week as I went on the 08.27 Leeds to Scarborough on Wednesday. The train was quiet with only 6 passengers at the most in my coach. The resort had a steady, but well spaced out flow of visitors. The shops had a steady but spaced flow of customers and so too did the arcades. The return journey at 15.35 direct to Leeds was a little busier, but again probably around 12 people at the most in my coach, all of whom were spaced out. I think all this twaddle about non essential journeys needs re-writing to something more realistic such as travel if you like, but don't travel if it's busy and go somewhere quiet, or go on a quiet day. It's about allocation of resources. All branches will retain an hourly service – Newcastle, Teesside, Scarborough and Hull. But there isn't the demand to justify running all those services across the Pennines with the reduced number of people travelling, and with the risk of reduced staffing available as workers may be off sick, in quarantine or self-isolating, it makes more sense to reduce the number of services running but strengthen them by running longer trains if necessary for capacity reasons, in order to maintain a reliable and moderately cost-effective service. York to Scarborough is a 50-minute journey, and so can be run as a self-contained shuttle with 2 trains, and out of all the branches this is the one that serves the fewest people, so it is logical that it is the one that it is cut to a shuttle. Redcar can retain its service because it doesn't need any extra trains to continue the service beyond Middlesbrough. They are using common sense. They are providing the service that is needed for essential travel. They are not stopping people from making non-essential travel, so you are still free to make non-essential journeys, but you can't expect them to go out of their way to provide a full level of service on the off-chance that it might be slightly more convenient for a handful of people who are choosing to make a non-essential journey.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Nov 7, 2020 18:46:23 GMT 1
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 20, 2021 14:50:10 GMT 1
MARCH 2021 frequencies apply until 27 March ** current timetables apply until 27 March ** www.tpexpress.co.uk/travel-updates/timetables timetables.tpexpress.co.uk/#/timetables/345/NorthBasic patterns Monday to Saturdaypeak-hour variations occur, but please note early finish on many routes. * Liverpool Lime Street –> Newcastle HOURLY * Manchester Piccadilly –> York HOURLY (calls at Dewsbury and Stalybridge, see below for additional stops) * local calls Huddersfield – Leeds are EVERY TWO HOURS * local calls Manchester – Huddersfield are EVERY TWO HOURS * Leeds – Hull EVERY TWO HOURS * Leeds – Scarborough EVERY TWO HOURS * Leeds – Redcar Central EVERY TWO HOURS * Newcastle – Edinburgh two trains a day.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 6, 2021 18:45:36 GMT 1
MAY 2021
Scheduled timetables
Basic patterns Monday to Saturday
peak-hour variations occur, but please note early finish on many routes.
* Liverpool Lime Street –> Newcastle HOURLY (calls at Dewsbury) * Manchester Airport –> Redcar Central via Ordsall Curve HOURLY (calls at Dewsbury)
* Huddersfield –> Leeds stopper hourly * Manchester Piccadilly –> Huddersfield stopper hourly
* Manchester Piccadilly–>Hull hourly (calls at Stalybridge) * York – Scarborough hourly
* Newcastle – Edinburgh two trains a day.
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 6, 2021 19:01:40 GMT 1
One thing I've never understood is why the Manchester—Huddersfield and Huddersfield—Leeds stopping trains are run as separate trains and not linked to run through. I can't see that it would require any more trains to do it that way, potentially it could reduce it from 4 trains to 3 (although it might be a bit sketchy pathing and running a reliable service with only 3 units), and I'm sure the extra direct journeys that it would facilitate – particularly from Marsden and Slawit to other parts of West Yorkshire – would attract more passengers than having to change at Huddersfield. My guess would be that it dates back to the days when the Manchester part of the route was run by RRNW and the Leeds part of the route by RRNE and no-one has ever got round to doing anything to rationalise it.
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Post by jst on Mar 6, 2021 19:35:29 GMT 1
They ran together as one for a while but the performance impact was too great when they ran late so they were made seperate again.
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Post by adam on Mar 6, 2021 21:02:57 GMT 1
The through stopper could work now with a reduced timetable and more chance of not getting put in every loop to let the fast trains past
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 6, 2021 21:52:45 GMT 1
When TPE initially introduced the ill fated new timetable they ran through, but like others said it impacted reliability.
A through stopper would have to be overtaken a few times so both it and the trains doing the overtaking have to all be in the right places at the right times
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 7, 2021 8:47:01 GMT 1
MAY 2021 Scheduled timetables Basic patterns Monday to Saturdaypeak-hour variations occur, but please note early finish on many routes. * Liverpool Lime Street –> Newcastle HOURLY (calls at Dewsbury) * Manchester Airport –> Redcar Central via Ordsall Curve HOURLY (calls at Dewsbury) * Huddersfield –> Leeds stopper hourly * Manchester Piccadilly –> Huddersfield stopper hourly * Manchester Piccadilly–>Hull hourly (calls at Stalybridge) * York – Scarborough hourly * Newcastle – Edinburgh two trains a day. If these Newcastle - Edinburgh trains are shuttles and not even extensions of the Liverpool - Newcastle trains there seems little point bothering. There are already plenty of LNER and Cross Country trains Linking Newcastle with Edinburgh.
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Post by gledhill56 on Mar 7, 2021 9:09:21 GMT 1
MAY 2021 Scheduled timetables Basic patterns Monday to Saturdaypeak-hour variations occur, but please note early finish on many routes. * Liverpool Lime Street –> Newcastle HOURLY (calls at Dewsbury) * Manchester Airport –> Redcar Central via Ordsall Curve HOURLY (calls at Dewsbury) * Huddersfield –> Leeds stopper hourly * Manchester Piccadilly –> Huddersfield stopper hourly * Manchester Piccadilly–>Hull hourly (calls at Stalybridge) * York – Scarborough hourly * Newcastle – Edinburgh two trains a day. If these Newcastle - Edinburgh trains are shuttles and not even extensions of the Liverpool - Newcastle trains there seems little point bothering. There are already plenty of LNER and Cross Country trains Linking Newcastle with Edinburgh. TPE still need to get their 802s to/from Craigentinny depot so why run them ECS all the way from Newcastle.
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Post by adam on Mar 7, 2021 14:06:34 GMT 1
And keep train crew route competency up
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 7, 2021 15:00:53 GMT 1
And keep train crew route competency up I think (going North) one is a through service from Liverpool Lime Street and one just runs Newcastle – Edinburgh, sorry not checked recently.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 7, 2021 16:14:52 GMT 1
There's one service from Liverpool to Edinburgh and one from a depot to Edinburgh via Newcastle out of service.
Southbound there's just one from Edinburgh to Newcastle which seems to disappear at Newcastle (unless it gets attached to the service from the depot).
There may be more to appear, yet.
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Post by dlspotter on Mar 11, 2021 16:13:18 GMT 1
Just wondering if the current timetables (valid to March 27) are going to be extended in validity to May or if they will/have released timetables for after this date?
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Post by dlspotter on Mar 23, 2021 15:18:49 GMT 1
Regarding my previous post I messaged TPEx to ask if they were extending the timetable and said they will be updated by Friday at the latest, so much for people who need to firm their travel plans before then.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 24, 2021 22:07:19 GMT 1
Regarding my previous post I messaged TPEx to ask if they were extending the timetable and said they will be updated by Friday at the latest, so much for people who need to firm their travel plans before then. Transpennine Express have finally released their new timetable effective from Sunday. This is the December 2020 timetable, as mentioned earlier in this thread. timetables.tpexpress.co.uk/#/timetables/272/Northpeak-hour variations occur, but please note early finish on many routes. * Liverpool Lime Street –> Newcastle ¹ HOURLY * Manchester Airport –> Redcar Central via Ordsall Curve HOURLY * Manchester Victoria –> York (calls at Dewsbury) every 30 minutes * Huddersfield –> Leeds stopper hourly * Manchester Piccadilly –> Huddersfield stopper hourly ³ * Manchester Piccadilly–>Hull hourly (calls at Stalybridge ²) * York – Scarborough hourly * Newcastle – Edinburgh two trips a day ¹ 15-min layover at Manchester Victoria ² Peak hour, evening and Sunday trains call at stations between Stalybridge and Huddersfield ³ Doesn't run evenings or Sundays
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Post by joseph on Mar 25, 2021 18:38:52 GMT 1
I've noticed connections from Leeds trains to Scarborough ones at York are pants, also one through train a day from Leeds to Scarborough, and only 2 'LATE' through returns is nowhere near enough, emphasis on the word LATE as that's not good for families. Scarborough is going to be a massive destination this Spring, never mind Summer, without going off topic, plenty of people like me have had enough and want normality now.
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Post by jst on Mar 25, 2021 20:01:03 GMT 1
Connections are not that bad at York. Heading to Scarborough its roughly 20 minutes from the Manchester train or 10 from the Leeds stopper (which itself is only 32 minutes journey time). The other way there is generally a 18-20 minute connection into a Leeds bound XC service.
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Post by joseph on Mar 25, 2021 20:16:29 GMT 1
That's 20 minutes more travelling, some on here may love travelling forever, but the majority of people don't. I'd accept 10 minutes from the express trains onto the Scarborough service, but no more than that. Don't want to catch a stopper, 32 minutes journey time on a boring line is a chore.
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Post by jst on Mar 25, 2021 21:23:46 GMT 1
Considering most Expresses are timed at 23 minutes I'm not sure another 9 minutes is 'a chore'.
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Post by joseph on Mar 26, 2021 18:58:17 GMT 1
Oh it is lol, been on that stretch of line, and indeed the line all the way to Scarbados too many times, get's a bit boring so the quicker the better. As a side note, I know the line up to Middlesbrough is lengthy, however I've come to expect that and it is a faster line, plus I don't do that run that often, so it doesn't feel quite as bad. Also, the line from Middlesbrough to Whitby is slow, but some of the passengers do make it entertaining lol.
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