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Post by sconehead85 on Feb 28, 2013 23:23:10 GMT 1
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I have often sounded off about the fact that Transdev only replace mid-life buses with new vehicles. However they will soon have to revert to the practice of replacing the OLDEST buses with new/newer vehicles if they have any hope or intention of complying with DDA requirements by 2017.
This is a breakdown of which depots need what:
BURNLEY - 12 INTACK - 16 YORK - 10 (5 o/t conversions) HARROGATE- 14 Volvo B10BLEs displaced by 14 new single decks or 14 further bespoke school buses similar to Firsts 68xxx class. KEIGHLEY - 16
It doesnt follow that all the above be NEW but they would have to be LF.Ive allowed for the retention of ex Ribble 2173 as a heritage vehicle. Harrogate needs single deckers to replace the Dennis Javelins and the Volvo B10B either this year or next because single deck buses have to be LFby 2015.
My scepticism of whether Transdev will reach 100% LF in time is based on the fact that there is no known order for replacements, and the fact they are withdrawing LF vehicles- even those not leased- and that if they want to carry on sending back mid-life leased vehicles then they will have to place an order FAR LARGER than they have done previously.
BTW Wellglade are another group with a need to replace large numbers of elderly Leyland Olympiansinm the next three or so years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2013 23:25:18 GMT 1
II have often sounded off about the fact that Transdev only replace mid-life buses with new vehicles. However they will soon have to revert to the practice of replacing the OLDEST buses with new/newer vehicles if they have any hope or intention of complying with DDA requirements by 2017. This is a breakdown of which depots need what: BURNLEY - 12 INTACK - 16 YORK - 10 (5 o/t conversions) HARROGATE- 14 Volvo B10BLEs displaced by 14 new single decks or 14 further bespoke school buses similar to Firsts 68xxx class. KEIGHLEY - 16 It doesnt follow that all the above be NEW but they would have to be LF.Ive allowed for the retention of ex Ribble 2173 as a heritage vehicle. Harrogate needs single deckers to replace the Dennis Javelins and the Volvo B10B either this year or next because single deck buses have to be LFby 2015. My scepticism of whether Transdev will reach 100% LF in time is based on the fact that there is no known order for replacements, and the fact they are withdrawing LF vehicles- even those not leased- and that if they want to carry on sending back mid-life leased vehicles then they will have to place an order FAR LARGER than they have done previously. BTW Wellglade are another group with a need to replace large numbers of elderly Leyland Olympiansinm the next three or so years. sconehead85 the Volvo B10BLEs can easily be converted to DDA Requirements,rest could easily be done by (dare i say) service cut backs
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Post by sconehead85 on Mar 1, 2013 3:10:55 GMT 1
I accept that service cuts might shave 10-20 vehicles off the needs but that still leaves a rump of 50 vehicles which need replacing. Transdev needs to put a moratorium on further low floor disposals until 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 20:07:16 GMT 1
I accept that service cuts might shave 10-20 vehicles off the needs but that still leaves a rump of 50 vehicles which need replacing. Transdev needs to put a moratorium on further low floor disposals until 2017. sconehead85 they might no go for school contracts next time there up for renewel,meaning they can get rid of most buses in one go
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Post by B521UWW on Mar 1, 2013 21:59:30 GMT 1
I remember in about 2003/4 they ran 2 elderly double deckers to schools in grassington, this included carrying 75 kids under a 13ft 10 bridge and craven council weren't happy about 20 year old buses running it. The council upon re-tender wanted newer vehicles fitted with seat belts etc. Keighley and District didn't bother to submit a tender and has since been operated by Hargreaves with some huge Ayats thing. Same will happen when they have to use DDA vehicles, they won't bother tendering so why order new now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 23:07:20 GMT 1
I remember in about 2003/4 they ran 2 elderly double deckers to schools in grassington, this included carrying 75 kids under a 13ft 10 bridge and craven council weren't happy about 20 year old buses running it. The council upon re-tender wanted newer vehicles fitted with seat belts etc. Keighley and District didn't bother to submit a tender and has since been operated by Hargreaves with some huge Ayats thing. Same will happen when they have to use DDA vehicles, they won't bother tendering so why order new now? this is what i dont get abount councils - what makes them think kids give a dam if a bus is 20yrs old or 20 days old,there still going to treat it (or wreck it) the same!
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 1, 2013 23:40:54 GMT 1
Sure this has been stated before but Burnley are expected to get B9s to displace the Geminis from the X43 so on a one for one basis thats 15 vehicles accounted for and 2017 is sometime away, after all First have ordered five times the number of vehicles the author of this thread claims Transdev need for delivery this year/next year so there is hardly any immediate problem this year, next year, the year after.....
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Post by sconehead85 on Mar 2, 2013 1:56:12 GMT 1
Hello butler-h. My scepticism is based on the QUANTITY of vehicles Transdev need over the next four years. And I don't believe that ALL seventy vehicles which need to be replaced are all doing schools work. Harrogate's share are, consisting of Dennis Javelins and two 69-seat Volvo B10Bs. The Volvo Olympians surely cannot all be relegated to schools, even if the Leyland Olympians are. Would Transdev wish to give up some 50 vehicles worth of work?
This is how the 70 vehicle order would need to be split
2013 : 18 new vehicles to displace the 16 Volvo Olympians, 13 of which would all move to Intack (three are there already). These would then replace three Scanias and 15 oldest Leyland Olympians TO GO. Some older LF buses to move to make up numbers
2014 : 17 new 11-12 metre single deck to displace Volvo B10BLEs to go to Harrogate to oust the Javelins and two B10Bs mentioned above .Has to be done before 2015-thats the use-by date for single deck step entries! Again , one or two older LF buses move to make up numbers., replacing further LOs.
2015/16 Up to 35 new/used LF double deckers to replace the remaining step-entry buses. I am making allowances for any reduction in school bus needs by the phrase "up to 35".
Ive not witnessed Transdev placing orders of this magnitude which is 1/8th of the fleet. Extra vehicles will be needed if they have to remove older low floor buses. Maybe they could start by buying a batch or to from Bus Vannin now Blackpool has completed its Leyland Olympian replacement programme!
When are they going to go for it?
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Post by northrob on Mar 2, 2013 10:43:10 GMT 1
Let's try and break down how many non-DDA compliant buses are in daily use by Transdev. (For this purpose, I'm leaving out the York Open Top Operation as the vehicle requirement can vary and school buses).
As far as I'm aware the breakdown is as follows (could other forum members confirm the figure for Keighley?):
Malton: 0 York: 1 (One peak hour journey on the 35) Harrogate: 0 Keighley: 0 Burnley: 2 (Monday - Friday on routes 1 & 9) Intack: 4 (Blackburn local services)
Total: 7
All the rest are used for school duties, so any replacements would probably be used stock from places like London or maybe Edinburgh (which I believe that Wellglade have been sourcing for replacement d/d).
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 2, 2013 11:43:50 GMT 1
Blackburn figure may have gone up a bit since the two Presidents were moved to York Unibus, but it is around the number you state.
Keighley is almost correct at 0, the last step entrance workings went when there were the changes to the 70/78A etc. There is one school working on a 66A shown in public timetables that is olympian worked though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 13:38:45 GMT 1
Blackburn figure may have gone up a bit since the two Presidents were moved to York Unibus, but it is around the number you state. Keighley is almost correct at 0, the last step entrance workings went when there were the changes to the 70/78A etc. There is one school working on a 66A shown in public timetables that is olympian worked though. dont some olympians still work 760 - Or is it now fully president/renowns
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Post by sconehead85 on Mar 2, 2013 18:58:45 GMT 1
Thanks northrob- The first years deliveries as I suggest would end regular step entry operation, with six older LFs going to Intack to replace those step entry buses which interwork with regular buses.. That doesnt detract from the need to update the fleet however.
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Post by sconehead85 on Mar 2, 2013 18:59:31 GMT 1
Thanks northrob- The first years deliveries as I suggest would see end regular step entry operation, with six older LFs going to Intack to replace those step entry buses which interwork with regular buses.. That doesnt detract from the need to update the fleet however. sconehead85
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Post by Jamie on Mar 2, 2013 19:35:32 GMT 1
Don't forget with the small influx of Coastliner B9TL's that have cascaded older stock outwards to other depots it would only take another batch of 6 to Malton to finish probably any Step entrance workings.
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Post by B521UWW on Mar 2, 2013 23:21:07 GMT 1
Keighley is almost correct at 0, the last step entrance workings went when there were the changes to the 70/78A etc. There is one school working on a 66A shown in public timetables that is olympian worked though. The 1705 short to Cross Hills used to be Olympian but since the last change runs to skipton as a B7. The 1520 Cross Hills to Skipton 67 is Olympian only because Presidents don't fit under the railway bridge in Skipton. It's nearly a year since I have seen an Olympian on public work on any other Keighley service.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Mar 3, 2013 10:33:38 GMT 1
I haven't seen an Olympian on 760 since the keighley and district repaints. It's been solely presidents, renowns and eclipse Urbans now.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 20, 2013 21:28:09 GMT 1
Burnley & Pendle have lost at least 5 Olympian worked school contracts from Easter.
Exactly the situation that some people have been arguing could happen.
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Post by sconehead85 on Mar 21, 2013 1:55:04 GMT 1
WYB- I agree that not all of the step entrance fleet would be directly replaced, however this small reduction at Burnley still leaves 63 step entry buses to replace by the end of 2016.
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Post by northrob on Mar 21, 2013 9:25:01 GMT 1
For anyone who's interested. Of course this could just mean the end of front-line operation of them in Burnley... Olympian Running Day - Burnley 29th March Hi all We are holding an Olympian Running Day on Good Friday (29th March) with a mix of our Olympians running every 15 minutes between Burnley and Nelson along the Mainline route. First departures are 1105 from Burnley and 1129 from Nelson through until last departures at 1605 (Burnley) and 1629 (Nelson). It will be the last chance to travel on some as they are leaving the Burnley fleet on 1st April. We hope to have a mix of vehicles including some or all of the following; 11/12 (G281/9UMJ, Leyland, new to London County) 125 (B251NVN, ECW, new to United) 163 (F263YTJ, Northern Counties, new to Merseyside) 196 (F96PRE, Alexander, new to Stevensons) 370 (B91SWX, ECW, new to West Yorkshire Roadcar) And hopefully a couple of visiting Olympian's from elsewhere in the Blazefield Group including an ex Lothian ECW example. We may even sneak one of the ex Newport Scania N113's out for a trip or two. Normal fares apply and buses will stop on request at any stop on route. Silver Day tickets cover the route and are £6 Adult and £4.20 Child. Family tickets (up to 2 adults and 2 children are £12.00). Anyone travelling from the Manchester area can use the Witch Way X43 and buy a Gold Day ticket on that which covers the Burnley to Nelson area too. These cost £8.50 adult, £5.30 child and £17 family. All our services will be running a Sunday timetable on the bank holiday. Full details on our website www.lancashirebus.co.uk
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Post by sconehead85 on Mar 22, 2013 1:21:02 GMT 1
I have seen this event advertised on Yahoo. I think the five ex WYRCC Olympians should go- only because they are the oldest.
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Post by A1YBG on Mar 22, 2013 14:22:21 GMT 1
This is also featured in april editions of buses magazine
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 22, 2013 21:11:31 GMT 1
e I have seen this event advertised on Yahoo. I think the five ex WYRCC Olympians should go- only because they are the oldest. Its the condition of them not the age which will determine what is withdrawn first, and those five will probbaly have been the best mainatined compared to some of the others given how well Blazefield looked afer its vehicles.
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