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Post by rwilkes on Oct 27, 2012 18:06:03 GMT 1
May I suggest now the 72 change has been made we start again with a new title? If the moderaotors disagree, please delete this entry. But I think we should start afress now
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Post by pub146g on Oct 27, 2012 23:21:10 GMT 1
Just before we start on Hyperlink I thought I'd record here the last 72 from Leeds on the 23:05, 37733.
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Post by sharksmith on Oct 28, 2012 15:51:12 GMT 1
Sixth departure of the day along the full route from Leeds to Bradford was 19009 seen here arriving in Bradford, did anyone see the very first departures from Bramley at 6.39 and 6.47, looking at the times I think 19009 would have been the 6.47 to Bradford. www.flickr.com/photos/35759580@N03/8131046300/in/photostream
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Post by andyk4050 on Oct 28, 2012 18:41:02 GMT 1
19028 was on the 06:39 coz its was me lol
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Post by basher37 on Oct 28, 2012 21:12:19 GMT 1
Just before we start on Hyperlink I thought I'd record here the last 72 from Leeds on the 23:05, 37733. The last booked DD on this service and the last Bradford allocated bus on this route. It's always been Bradford Allocated buses on this route as far back as i can remember..
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Post by m60800 on Oct 28, 2012 21:15:36 GMT 1
It used to be a joint service with Bradford and Leeds in YR days
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 28, 2012 22:12:49 GMT 1
About 10 years ago the 72 used to be mainly if not entirely Leeds operated. I recall the 04 reg Geminis used to appear in Bradford, which was notable back when they were the only Geminis in First WY.
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Post by Burnside on Oct 30, 2012 13:58:03 GMT 1
Email from Metro:
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Post by davopazza on Oct 30, 2012 15:18:12 GMT 1
Walking up Eastgate today and never seen so many streetcars in one place. Looked like passengers where getting confused as the streetcars were setting down anywhere
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Oct 30, 2012 17:37:43 GMT 1
It used to be a joint service with Bradford and Leeds in YR days Go way back right to the days of Bradford and Leeds Corporations
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Post by ratty on Oct 31, 2012 0:17:23 GMT 1
It was also one of those very few places where joint through running was done on the trams. With a tapered track at Stanningley Bottom, apparently the axles had the capability to move from 4'0'' to 4'81/2''. Although through running was abandoned after only a few years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 11:57:58 GMT 1
It was also one of those very few places where joint through running was done on the trams. With a tapered track at Stanningley Bottom, apparently the axles had the capability to move from 4'0'' to 4'81/2''. Although through running was abandoned after only a few years.
There had been a through Bradford - Leeds tram service, despite the two different gauges. From about April 1907 there was some experimental and sporadic public service with through cars and June 1909 saw the proper service starting. This was a popular, heavily-used service, but in March 1918 it was taken off only because the equipment was worn out and couldn't be fixed up in a time of massive wartime shortages. Stories are that repairs were begun after the supply situation eased post-war, but the equipment itself was obsolete and the effort either petered out or was ordered stopped around 1920/21. As it was, through cars never ran again. At the same time, one or more of the Bradford trackless cars, converted to an electric lorry, made the very occasional through run into Leeds with cargo towards the end of World War One and into the very early 1920s. It used the tramway overhead and for its negative return used a skate in the tram rail-perfectly normal in those days on both Bradford and Leeds trolleybus systems and most frequently used for depot and car works access as it saved having to put up an extra set of overhead wires solely for the negative return. Memories of this and the joint tram service were still fresh when the joint through motorbus service was proposed. The direct through Bradford - Leeds bus service operated by Bradford Corporation began in December 1928, but Leeds’ buses only participated in this venture from 1931-2007 (other companies ran Bradford-Leeds over the years, Samuel Ledgard in particular, but over different routes). Around 1937 the bus service was numbered 71 then became route 72. Just as in tram days, the through service was in addition to local services. The local tram services from Leeds to Stanningley/Pudsey continued until 1938 with a cut-back service to Half Mile Line on the Leeds side surviving into the early 1950s. Route 10 trams from Bradford to Stanningley lasted until 20 October 1942, when trams were cut back to Thornbury, route 9 trams enduring until March 1950. From the Autumn edition of TRACKLESS*, published by the Bradford Trolleybus Association, local transport special feature (the name hyperlink hadn't been revealed by the deadline date of course). * available free to members of BTA
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Post by 77syk7 on Nov 1, 2012 20:13:19 GMT 1
One of the more annoying features of the new 72 is the number of short journeys terminating at Bramley. I agree that it is better to use the bus rather than 'private', but I did hear today that the passengers on one of these short workings were not too pleased at being told at Bramley to disembark! 7 buses do this from Bradford to Bramley between 1800 and 1940. Info from the 'Route One' mag state that this one route employs 64 staff which is good for the economy. When Phase 2 is introduced, the frequency may increase to every 5 mins - this would add considerably more. Why didn't they use the 22 hybrids which would have been much more suitable for this 9 mile interurban route?
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Post by rossbailey on Nov 1, 2012 20:44:02 GMT 1
I was on the 23:35 last 72 journey out of Leeds last night which is meant to go Pudsey Civic Hall. Well to my disbelief it turned up 15 mins late and then to add insult it terminated at Bramley Town End.
I asked the customer service host, or what ever you call them why this was happening! He said to me that the driver was out of hours so he was going straight back to garage as he wouldn’t have enough time to do the full journey and go private back to Garage.
So I gave him a few harsh words of my own mind whilst several other passengers also did the same as we were eventually asked to get off. I eventually decided to walk home from Bramley to Stanningley which took me about 20 mins in total. But I have to admit I really did feel annoyed as there were 2x women onboard who were travelling by themselves and they were made to get off and either walk home or order a taxi. They opted for the latter. I dread to think what would have happened if there had been Kids or elderly/disabled people on board, As would they have been made to do the same at that time a night?
So this morning for the first time ever, I actually sent an official complait to both Metro and Firstbus.
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Post by ricardoat4 on Nov 1, 2012 20:51:36 GMT 1
Loving these last two posts. Hybrids in Bradford??? Never! They'd use Guy Arabs if they could find them. Leeds is supposed to be la creme de la creme and see how they treat customers. Let's face it, these ftrs are cast offs. No bugger wanted them ut us Bradfordians must be grateful. Meanwhile our last decent buses, the 59 Geminis are now adorning the Leeds 4. Cos they only got 98 12 reg ones.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Nov 1, 2012 21:30:47 GMT 1
I was on the 23:35 last 72 journey out of Leeds last night which is meant to go Pudsey Civic Hall. Well to my disbelief it turned up 15 mins late and then to add insult it terminated at Bramley Town End. I asked the customer service host, or what ever you call them why this was happening! He said to me that the driver was out of hours so he was going straight back to garage as he wouldn’t have enough time to do the full journey and go private back to Garage. So I gave him a few harsh words of my own mind whilst several other passengers also did the same as we were eventually asked to get off. I eventually decided to walk home from Bramley to Stanningley which took me about 20 mins in total. But I have to admit I really did feel annoyed as there were 2x women onboard who were travelling by themselves and they were made to get off and either walk home or order a taxi. They opted for the latter. I dread to think what would have happened if there had been Kids or elderly/disabled people on board, As would they have been made to do the same at that time a night? So this morning for the first time ever, I actually sent an official complait to both Metro and Firstbus. Isn't this the one that now is actually meant to run all the way through to Bradford?
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Post by A1YBG on Nov 1, 2012 22:15:17 GMT 1
Isn't that why the host is driver trained so they could swap If needed be?
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Post by MT on Nov 1, 2012 23:56:48 GMT 1
I was on the 23:35 last 72 journey out of Leeds last night which is meant to go Pudsey Civic Hall. Well to my disbelief it turned up 15 mins late and then to add insult it terminated at Bramley Town End. I asked the customer service host, or what ever you call them why this was happening! He said to me that the driver was out of hours so he was going straight back to garage as he wouldn’t have enough time to do the full journey and go private back to Garage. So I gave him a few harsh words of my own mind whilst several other passengers also did the same as we were eventually asked to get off. I eventually decided to walk home from Bramley to Stanningley which took me about 20 mins in total. But I have to admit I really did feel annoyed as there were 2x women onboard who were travelling by themselves and they were made to get off and either walk home or order a taxi. They opted for the latter. I dread to think what would have happened if there had been Kids or elderly/disabled people on board, As would they have been made to do the same at that time a night? So this morning for the first time ever, I actually sent an official complait to both Metro and Firstbus. Ah I am going to have to watch that, I am from the same neck of the woods as you Try getting one of the 14/X14/X15 concoction, which-ever one now runs at that time (I just don't know any more! usually wind up getting a taxi. Think my liver hates me). It should take you all the way, although before the introduction of X14/X15, the last 14 from Leeds would only turn up 50% of the time.... Don't know if it's any better now Just my two penneth worth on the new 72: its terrible. You lucky b*st*rds on the 4, give us our buses back!
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Post by pub146g on Nov 2, 2012 2:59:18 GMT 1
I was on the 23:35 last 72 journey out of Leeds last night which is meant to go Pudsey Civic Hall. Well to my disbelief it turned up 15 mins late and then to add insult it terminated at Bramley Town End. I asked the customer service host, or what ever you call them why this was happening! He said to me that the driver was out of hours so he was going straight back to garage as he wouldn’t have enough time to do the full journey and go private back to Garage. So I gave him a few harsh words of my own mind whilst several other passengers also did the same as we were eventually asked to get off. I eventually decided to walk home from Bramley to Stanningley which took me about 20 mins in total. But I have to admit I really did feel annoyed as there were 2x women onboard who were travelling by themselves and they were made to get off and either walk home or order a taxi. They opted for the latter. I dread to think what would have happened if there had been Kids or elderly/disabled people on board, As would they have been made to do the same at that time a night? So this morning for the first time ever, I actually sent an official complait to both Metro and Firstbus. Isn't this the one that now is actually meant to run all the way through to Bradford? No, it was the 23:05 that was extended through to Bradford.
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Post by sharksmith on Nov 2, 2012 16:15:21 GMT 1
If this was the real reason for the bus terminating at Bramley then surely the bus should have turned into the depot and onwards taxi's arranged at First's expense for the remaining passengers. I hope you share any reply you get to your complaints with us.
Having said that I am in the minority and like the arrival of these buses on the 72, I think they look really smart and the two rides I had on them yesterday has not changed this opinion. I travelled on 19010 from Bradford to Thornbury and it coped with the Leeds Road climb much better than any Gemini I have ever been on. The dwell times at bus stops was reduced to next to nothing thanks to the conductor and I didn't see any bunching all day.
As for the comments regarding short working to Bramley/Pudsey, it has already been pointed out that the route is not aimed at end to end travel so I wouldn't imagine this is much of a problem. The timetable is clear on this, the front of the bus and the side of the bus both show the final destination and I assume the bus stops which show real time information should also say this. How can someone blindly get on a bus without checking one of these pieces of information and then grumble when the bus correctly stops short. It's a good job the bus is blue because otherwise this is the kind of person that could easily find themselves in Huddersfield on an X6 before they final come out of their daydreams.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Nov 3, 2012 16:43:34 GMT 1
If this was the real reason for the bus terminating at Bramley then surely the bus should have turned into the depot and onwards taxi's arranged at First's expense for the remaining passengers. I hope you share any reply you get to your complaints with us. Having said that I am in the minority and like the arrival of these buses on the 72, I think they look really smart and the two rides I had on them yesterday has not changed this opinion. I travelled on 19010 from Bradford to Thornbury and it coped with the Leeds Road climb much better than any Gemini I have ever been on. The dwell times at bus stops was reduced to next to nothing thanks to the conductor and I didn't see any bunching all day. As for the comments regarding short working to Bramley/Pudsey, it has already been pointed out that the route is not aimed at end to end travel so I wouldn't imagine this is much of a problem. The timetable is clear on this, the front of the bus and the side of the bus both show the final destination and I assume the bus stops which show real time information should also say this. How can someone blindly get on a bus without checking one of these pieces of information and then grumble when the bus correctly stops short. It's a good job the bus is blue because otherwise this is the kind of person that could easily find themselves in Huddersfield on an X6 before they final come out of their daydreams. To be honest if the 72 wasn't made to be an end to end route, they should really encourage some form of later Evening/Sunday Service on X6 to complement this. Then people don't get abandoned at Bramley Town End from Bradford, or Pudsey Civic Hall from Leeds.
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Post by clifton on Nov 4, 2012 18:48:31 GMT 1
Saw 19003 heading into Leeds bus station this morning. It had 72 Leeds Eastgate on the rear blind. I assume it was parking up?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 18:54:23 GMT 1
Saw 19003 heading into Leeds bus station this morning. It had 72 Leeds Eastgate on the rear blind. I assume it was parking up? I've noticed that some drivers take the buses into the bus station to turn round, ready to go back to Bradford, rather than just going round the roundabout at the bottom of eastgate. Cheers Andy
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Nov 4, 2012 19:24:13 GMT 1
Ah, can explain this one, they've tried to turn them around on the roundabout but this proved unsafe so they now use the bus station to turn (but some may take the unsafe route to save time).
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Post by rwilkes on Nov 4, 2012 20:02:37 GMT 1
Changes are planned for the roundabout so they can use that instead of the bus station
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