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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 5, 2010 7:24:18 GMT 1
Regarding the Enviro 200s that entered service in Dewsbury last Summer, can anyone tell me which routes (if any) they run on Sundays and Bank Holidays please?
Whether they run then could influence which day of the week I next visit the area. Thanks!
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Post by timelesstable on Jun 5, 2010 9:51:41 GMT 1
Not sure about the Bank Holidays but on a Sunday they could appear on any Dewsbury operated Service. The only exception being the 126/7 where the Commanders tend to rule.
Routes you should find them being:
128 Dewsbury - Grange Moor (Every 2 hours)
202/3 Huddersfield - Leeds (Can get a Lowlander and Commander on here as well)
205 Dewsbury - Pudsey (Every 2 hours)
212 Dewsbury - Wakefield
231/2 Huddersfield - Wakefield
253/278 Wakefield - Bradford/Halifax (Can get a Heckmondwike Eclipse on the 253 as well)
281/2/3 Thornhill - Dewsbury - Fieldhead/Bradford
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 5, 2010 21:31:45 GMT 1
Many thanks for your information Timelesstable! I am tempted to try route 231 or 232 as these are operated by CentreBus on Monday-Saturday, but I know that if I go to Dewsbury I should see one before too long.
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Post by Matty on Jun 5, 2010 22:20:12 GMT 1
The main routes are the 202/3 from Huddersfield to Leeds on a Sunday. There is normally loads of them on there on a Sunday.
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Post by nickfoster on Jun 5, 2010 22:44:54 GMT 1
on a sunday the 232 interworks at Wakefield with the 212 so you can almost gurantee there will be a enviro 200 on there
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 6, 2010 0:21:39 GMT 1
I am surprised they operate routes 202 or 203 as I thought these would be Lowlander double-deck every day. Thanks everyone for your information!
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Post by timelesstable on Jun 6, 2010 5:55:47 GMT 1
Many thanks for your information Timelesstable! I am tempted to try route 231 or 232 as these are operated by CentreBus on Monday-Saturday, but I know that if I go to Dewsbury I should see one before too long. Although most of the Sunday services on 231/2 run as 232 from Wakefield at the Huddersfield end of the route they are split between Emley correct 232 and Grange Moor usually 231. Personal view but the Emley leg is the more scenic. The 231 at the Wakefield end is covered by a Belle Isle MPD working short to Netherton as 265 on Sunday only. |
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Post by T101VWU on Jun 6, 2010 15:38:02 GMT 1
I am surprised they operate routes 202 or 203 as I thought these would be Lowlander double-deck every day. Thanks everyone for your information! Arriva keep the lowlanders off the road on sundays due to them been to expensive to run. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 30, 2010 23:39:26 GMT 1
I did finally ride a Dewsbury Enviro 200 on Sunday, on route 203. I noticed it had the experimental green moquette and peach grabrails. Ironically, the Enviro 400s at nearby Heckmondwyke have standard 1998-2009 blue moquette.
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Post by timelesstable on Aug 31, 2010 4:05:41 GMT 1
I did finally ride a Dewsbury Enviro 200 on Sunday, on route 203. I noticed it had the experimental green moquette and peach grabrails. Ironically, the Enviro 400s at nearby Heckmondwyke have standard 1998-2009 blue moquette. The Tempos 1300-1312 at Castleford also have the same "green" moquette. The Heckmondwike Enviro 400 were the last ones in AY to have the old greenish blue Standard moquette. The Wright bodied Geminis were AY first in the latest blue moquette. The current AY re-trimming programme is using to different moquettes. The ALX200 Darts at Dewsbury are receiving the old 98-09 moquette while those at Selby, the Belle Isle MPD's and the ALX400's and the ex-White Rose Volvo B10 DP Renowns at Castleford at being re-trimmed in the latest 2009 onwards blue moquetee |
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Post by billycarne on Sept 2, 2010 11:33:35 GMT 1
I am surprised they operate routes 202 or 203 as I thought these would be Lowlander double-deck every day. Thanks everyone for your information! Arriva keep the lowlanders off the road on sundays due to them been to expensive to run. why are they so expensive to run? |
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 2, 2010 15:16:39 GMT 1
Arriva keep the lowlanders off the road on sundays due to them been to expensive to run. why are they so expensive to run? They use more fuel than the single decks, hence if the loading is lighter on a Sunday they tended to leave them parked up |
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Post by billycarne on Sept 3, 2010 19:13:03 GMT 1
do they use more fuel then other double decks?
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 3, 2010 21:22:46 GMT 1
do they use more fuel then other double decks? Probably not. The Gemini's at Selby might be an exception, but that could down to the terrain rather than the buses |
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Post by Matty on Sept 4, 2010 18:41:44 GMT 1
Yes they will use more fuel than any other bus with a ZF as the gearbox can affect the fuel consumption as it is highering the RPM, so Voith would obviously use more than a ZF because they change gear more frequently than a Voith
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 4, 2010 19:39:40 GMT 1
Yes they will use more fuel than any other bus with a ZF as the gearbox can affect the fuel consumption as it is highering the RPM, so Voith would obviously use more than a ZF because they change gear more frequently than a Voith I didn't know that, I always thought the fuel comsumption was depandant on the load (weight) being moved,the speed at which it was being moved, the force required and how this comapared to the capability/capacity of the engine, it's size, ie the cyclinder space being displaced, the capability of the fuel pump/injector and with the later engines any turbocharger. |
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Post by driver6540 on Sept 4, 2010 21:26:20 GMT 1
Yes they will use more fuel than any other bus with a ZF as the gearbox can affect the fuel consumption as it is highering the RPM, so Voith would obviously use more than a ZF because they change gear more frequently than a Voith You couldnt be more wrong if you tried. Any professional driver will tell you, the more gears you have,the more the engine revs are kept in the most economic operating zone, hence a box with fewer gears means the engine has to rev higher, using more fuel to attain similar performance levels to a vehicle with more gears. |
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Post by Matty on Sept 4, 2010 21:31:39 GMT 1
Yes, ZF have 5 gears with low Rev's and Voith have 3 & 4 speed with really high revs, as can be seen when reversing on any Spectra or Lowlander. So Voith would use more revs using more fuel.
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 4, 2010 22:51:31 GMT 1
Yes, ZF have 5 gears with low Rev's and Voith have 3 & 4 speed with really high revs, as can be seen when reversing on any Spectra or Lowlander. So Voith would use more revs using more fuel. Sorry guys the gearbox is on the transmission side of the engine, nothing to do with the engine management and will have little bearing on fuel consumption, unless the highest ratio is not working. The higher the gear ratio being used the better the fuel consumption. I'm sure we will all agree on that one, however, the fewer sets of ratios in the gearbox, the fewer sets of higher revving performance are required to reach the highest ratio. Voith wins with fewer changes to reach the highest one. The ZF with more ratios will only outperform when it is using/holding the intermediate gears without ever reaching the highest ratio for a longer period of time. This will impact if the ZF can hold a higher ratio than the Voith. A Voith holding 3rd out 4 would be better than a ZF only being able to 3rd out of 5, clearly if the ZF was able to hold 4th out of 5 then this would be better. For better fuel consumption you require a higher ratio in the differential, downside on this one is poorer acceleration. The benefits for a higher option in the differential will have a far greater impact on fuel efficiency than whether there are 3, 4 or 5 options in the gearbox. Not sure how the reversing speed will impact on fuel consumption, that one's got me puzzled |
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Post by Burnside on Sept 5, 2010 20:18:19 GMT 1
I know my car does more to the gallon because it has a 6 speed box, which keeps the revs down. In a car at least, the engine is at it's most economical at between 1,000 and 2,000 rpm and an additional gear helps with that.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 5, 2010 20:42:34 GMT 1
[quote author=timelesstable board=arriva thread=2033 post=28497 time=1283223941
The Tempos 1300-1312 at Castleford also have the same "green" moquette. The Heckmondwike Enviro 400 were the last ones in AY to have the old greenish blue Standard moquette.
The Wright bodied Geminis were AY first in the latest blue moquette.
The current AY re-trimming programme is using to different moquettes. The ALX200 Darts at Dewsbury are receiving the old 98-09 moquette while those at Selby, the Belle Isle MPD's and the ALX400's and the ex-White Rose Volvo B10 DP Renowns at Castleford at being re-trimmed in the latest 2009 onwards blue moquetee [/quote]
I rode a Tempo last August and noticed the green moquette there. I doubt Arriva will use this again, as it seems to have been experimental until they settled for a blue version.
I rode a Dart-ALX200 on route 231 last Sunday and it had smart seating in the old moquette, while 107 and 674 (I think) were refurbished with the new moquette. This reflects your observations above. What with Spectras and other Optare-bodied buses, Yorkshire seems to be one of Arriva's most exotic fleets!
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 5, 2010 21:22:44 GMT 1
Did you do the full length of the 231 Huddersfield - Wakefield?
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Post by Matty on Sept 5, 2010 22:03:20 GMT 1
Did you do the full length of the 231 Huddersfield - Wakefield? I was thinking exactly the same, Couldn't possibly ride on one for so long. Awful things. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 5, 2010 23:11:09 GMT 1
Did you do the full length of the 231 Huddersfield - Wakefield? Yes I did ride the whole route, admittedly from Wakefield to Huddersfield westbound. The cheapest hotel in the area for the Saturday night was in Wakefield. I then rode route 536, 682 and 203 among others as these had Sunday variations in operator, routing or vehicle type. |
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Post by billycarne on Sept 7, 2010 9:34:59 GMT 1
what are these busses like performence wise?
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