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Post by jackh on Jul 28, 2008 21:18:16 GMT 1
Metro have introduced a DayRover available from the bus for those under age 11 and 11-16 year olds in possession of a Young Persons Photocard at the cost of a mere pound. The ticket is only available off-peak during the summer holidays.
So this does undermine both Arriva's and First's child day tickets for West Yorkshire by around 50%.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 28, 2008 22:38:14 GMT 1
What a stupid price, have Metro got money to burn. I used to pay more for a Child's Metro Dayrover 10 years ago!
Encouraging kids to just ride around on buses all day will in turn put off adults from travelling. I know not all kids are chavs, but it only takes some. I believe this happened in London with the mayor introducing free travel for kids
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Post by Burnside on Jul 29, 2008 7:53:51 GMT 1
It's a fantastic idea!
Metro are pi$$ed off with First and Arriva over the MetroCard price rise forced upon them by greedy bus companies and are getting their own back.
Besides, it won't encourage kids to ride round on buses all day. They only use the bus to get to where they are meeting their mates.
To most kids, buses aren't cool, just a means of getting somewhere.
Plus with a bit of luck, it'll get them off the train!! lol
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Post by nick on Jul 29, 2008 9:28:49 GMT 1
What do they do when they board.
'Can i have a day rider'
'Which one'
'The one i had yesterday'
'well there is two one for £1.80 and one for £1'
'i will have the one for £1'
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Post by Burnside on Jul 29, 2008 12:10:07 GMT 1
I may be wrong, but i would guess the regular priced ticket would be withdrawn from sale for the validity of the offer.
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Post by jackh on Jul 29, 2008 12:56:52 GMT 1
This special DayRover is only available in August. I would imagine Metro just found it easy to blame Arriva and First for the MetroCard price rises.
Anyway, I'm sure Arriva, First, Transdev and all the other bus companies could go to Metro and say NO, we're not accepting these tickets.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 29, 2008 17:12:53 GMT 1
So the buses this summer are to be filled with OAPs getting on for free and kids travelling for a £1, while Adult fares continue to increase
I can't see the point in this offer. Kids have to use the bus, they can't drive. They will still jump to learn to drive when they turn 17 even if the buses were free
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Post by jackh on Jul 29, 2008 17:17:35 GMT 1
What a stupid price, have Metro got money to burn. I used to pay more for a Child's Metro Dayrover 10 years ago! I don't think Metro have money to burn, it appears that bus companies are still owed thousands of pounds for the nationwide free travel scheme and Metro have struggled financially recently over this, which does lead back to the general MetroCard price rise with Metro having as much involvement in giving the thumbs up for it than the operating companies of which you can blame instead for the rises. |
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Post by Craig on Jul 29, 2008 18:49:45 GMT 1
The price is extraordinarily low and presumably for the only reason that 'kid' rhymes with 'quid'.
I would hardly say it is Metro "getting their own back" on the bus operators who are agreeing to sell and accept these Metro tickets anyway.
Kids indeed don't see buses as 'cool', however some do enjoy the prospect of filling the rear seat bench causing nuisance and forcing the paying public to endure foul language, unedited accounts of their private lives, and terrible music screeched out by tinny underpowered mobile phone speakers. One of the reasons why I got so fed up of bus travel.
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Post by jackh on Jul 29, 2008 19:02:19 GMT 1
The price is extraordinarily low and presumably for the only reason that 'kid' rhymes with 'quid'. The Metro publicity doesn't actually use those two words at all in the sense that they rhyme and is quite a catchy catchphrase. It was just the title for the thread that I came up with. |
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Post by Craig on Jul 29, 2008 19:05:32 GMT 1
I think they had used the phrase "kids for a quid" when planning this initiative.
However they have instead chosen to go with "Get around, for a pound" so I think my point still stands!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2008 23:42:38 GMT 1
I may be wrong, but i would guess the regular priced ticket would be withdrawn from sale for the validity of the offer. THERE ARE under11s on they're own and 17-18s who'll still WANT the first DAY out. which is why drivers are asking ages of older looking kids. cos you can't have one if your over 16! |
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Post by mattyr88 on Aug 8, 2008 2:43:03 GMT 1
I may be wrong, but i would guess the regular priced ticket would be withdrawn from sale for the validity of the offer. THERE ARE under11s on they're own and 17-18s who'll still WANT the first DAY out. which is why drivers are asking ages of older looking kids. cos you can't have one if your over 16! that may be tha case but these pound day rovers have been given to those to any one witha half fare pass, 18 year olds included, |
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Post by Burnside on Aug 8, 2008 9:20:20 GMT 1
I may be wrong, but i would guess the regular priced ticket would be withdrawn from sale for the validity of the offer. THERE ARE under11s on they're own and 17-18s who'll still WANT the first DAY out. which is why drivers are asking ages of older looking kids. cos you can't have one if your over 16! I meant the regular Child DayRover. Obviously First will still sell their own products. |
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Post by glennh2 on Aug 8, 2008 10:16:49 GMT 1
I always have problems with bus-issued tickets on small operator's services and had a Metro £5 tocket refused by B L Travel yesterday just because it said Arriva on the ticket
Who's to say kids won't have the same thing happen to them?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 8, 2008 11:41:53 GMT 1
BEEN THERE.
got on a bus at hudds bs to meltham and had to explain to driver what it was and would report him to metro if he refused travel.
another problem is day tickets issued on the train are on railway stock so usually refused by drivers as they tink it's a trainonly ticket even though the price and description clearly state otherwise?
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Post by Craig on Aug 8, 2008 18:11:31 GMT 1
BEEN THERE. got on a bus at hudds bs to meltham and had to explain to driver what it was and would report him to metro if he refused travel. another problem is day tickets issued on the train are on railway stock so usually refused by drivers as they tink it's a trainonly ticket even though the price and description clearly state otherwise? Steady on! Reporting a driver for not accepting a ticket that they haven't been told about? Hardly his/her fault, and the driver would also be in trouble if it turned out your ticket wasn't valid! In relation to the other comment you made, I recently wondered how Holmfirth (and now Meltham) Connection tickets are sold - presumably it is an ordinary paper bus ticket you show to the conductor - but what about when Leeds gets its new automated barriers! |
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Post by jackh on Aug 8, 2008 18:25:20 GMT 1
Well there will be staff at the automatic barriers of whom you would approach and would activate the barrier for you when producing your ticket.
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Post by Craig on Aug 8, 2008 18:32:37 GMT 1
Not very convenient though.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 8, 2008 20:22:16 GMT 1
Contracted Security staff at Manchester Picc would be even less likely to know that it was in fact a rail ticket you were showing
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Post by mjn on Aug 8, 2008 21:45:44 GMT 1
Steady on! Reporting a driver for not accepting a ticket that they haven't been told about? Hardly his/her fault, and the driver would also be in trouble if it turned out your ticket wasn't valid! Obviously drivers shouldn't be reprimanded or whatever for not being told about new tickets, but passengers (myself included) suffer hassle all too often simply for attempting to use valid tickets (such as bus-issued Metro DayRovers and PlusBuses). Why should the passenger be refused travel and humiliated for this? Doesn't exactly make bus travel a positive experience. Surely a driver should contact their controller/gaffer if in doubt (though admittedly drivers don't always think there is doubt if they see another operator's name on the ticket)? If passengers make the effort to complain when this happens it draws the operators'/PTE's attention to the problem and (you would hope) might lead to it being sorted out by better informing drivers! |
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Post by Craig on Aug 8, 2008 21:53:15 GMT 1
I couldn't agree more that passengers should complain about such issues, but all too often people make complaints to the shop floor staff and don't direct them properly. Threatening a driver with reporting him isn't very productive. I can appreciate the annoyance of wishing to travel with what you know is a valid ticket, but the drivers need to have correct and up to date information from their managers - who are the ones that should be complained to.
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Post by mjn on Aug 8, 2008 22:10:15 GMT 1
Indeed, threatening a driver is unpleasant and wouldn't help the situation at all, instead persuade him to contact the company as I said above, and also inform management (which is what I too was advocating, sorry if that wasn't clear).
I suppose the other issue besides that of properly informing drivers is the sheer amount of tickets around in some places and remembering them all. Certainly round here it might be an idea to replace some of them with smartcard products when the YorCard is launched. You could renew it in shops and the like as with TfL's Oyster, reducing boarding times (especially with the monday morning weeklies) and the amount of cash drivers have to carry as well as simplifying things. I live in hope...
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 8, 2008 23:49:02 GMT 1
was in the First Leeds Shop around dinner time on tues and a woman came in and spoke 2 a driver on his dinner as both ladies behind the counter was busy.
a driver on the 49s had refused to give them metro day rovers @ £1 as 'they weren't available on the route' the driver on his lunch(from cherry row) gave complete sympathy as she was 'humiliated' by a packed bus having to fork out 80p more for 3 kids dayriders.
Surely all bus drivers have been briefed on the dayrovers and metro tickets by now but majority still see another operators name & logo and alarm bells ring!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 9, 2008 11:35:44 GMT 1
Yes this happens all the time, either the drivers don't read internal notices or the supervisors don't provide any notices
I've had trouble before trying to buy local First products on buses from outside the area (such as buying a Leeds FirstDay on a 508 in Leeds etc which is available but needs more key presses on the ticket machine)
Plus many drivers will never be wrong so even after explaining that your First ticket is actually a Dayrover, an Arriva driver will still say it is not accepted
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