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Post by shelf81 on Apr 4, 2024 20:53:05 GMT 1
For some reason in January all the Arriva services that changed ended up with saying no subsidy on the registrations, including routes that was confirmed to be getting BSIP funding although it's not known if it was a mistake from Arriva or VOSA. Not sure how a minibus of majority passholders would have a chance of being commercial when we've seen routes that could get a single (or double) deckers worth of passholders still not be viable. It's only a minibus because of the tight roads That & the passenger numbers only warrant a minibus, when there was still the 357 using the main roads towards the end it was only minibuses then taxis that operated it.
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Post by pricel on Apr 4, 2024 20:59:25 GMT 1
It's only a minibus because of the tight roads That & the passenger numbers only warrant a minibus, when there was still the 357 using the main roads towards the end it was only minibuses then taxis that operated it. The 357 ran long time ago, you can't really use that as a judgement for modern day periods. The 532 or 832 as it was before used to be pretty busy 10 years ago but now carries nobody.
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 4, 2024 21:09:02 GMT 1
That & the passenger numbers only warrant a minibus, when there was still the 357 using the main roads towards the end it was only minibuses then taxis that operated it. The 357 ran long time ago, you can't really use that as a judgement for modern day periods. The 532 or 832 as it was before used to be pretty busy 10 years ago but now carries nobody. The service since the 90s has been a minibus (the 377/8 mostly being made up of the 368 with bits of the 357,although upto 2009 larger buses was used on 357) & has never really warranted anything larger, further proven by the fact that you've also pointed out that usage across West Yorkshire has declined. I'm not sure what your overall point is, as I never said it had low usage, just that the majority of people who use the service are passholders so it wouldn't be commercially viable.
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 5, 2024 14:03:01 GMT 1
PB1003659/95 Registered HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD Route: Ilkley bus station to Ilkley bus station via Hebers Ghyll, Ben Rhydding Service number: 961 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 18 May 2024
Another registration from Connexions, for 961 this time
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Post by kayden11 on Apr 6, 2024 1:21:50 GMT 1
I would like to say that the old 368 by k line which is now part route of the 377/8 always had either a metrorider or a solo on it even when centrebus and tiger had it and even yorkshire traction had solos on it the 55 plates one 517 to 520, so I do think the roads must be tight judging by past operators with what they have used on it
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Post by mutty on Apr 6, 2024 7:51:09 GMT 1
I thought the 377/378 was on a 3 year tender, since Arriva got the routes in October 2022? If Arriva got awarded it in 2022, it'd be up again next year won't it? October 2025? Depends, they could of either been stripped of the contract early or decided to hand it back. It’s been handed back and TLC are the new operators
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 6, 2024 11:57:03 GMT 1
Depends, they could of either been stripped of the contract early or decided to hand it back. It’s been handed back and TLC are the new operators they'll be loads of trips not running, they can't run both boards on 259 as it's usually one bus or zero like today, ML2 is hit & miss and even 205 & 256 can't run right.
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Post by mutty on Apr 6, 2024 12:44:31 GMT 1
It’s been handed back and TLC are the new operators they'll be loads of trips not running, they can't run both boards on 259 as it's usually one bus or zero like today, ML2 is hit & miss and even 205 & 256 can't run right. Don’t care as long as we don’t have to do it anymore, the worst route ever, not liked by many drivers at all
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 11, 2024 10:14:09 GMT 1
they'll be loads of trips not running, they can't run both boards on 259 as it's usually one bus or zero like today, ML2 is hit & miss and even 205 & 256 can't run right. Don’t care as long as we don’t have to do it anymore, the worst route ever, not liked by many drivers at all What will you be doing with the Solos then?
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Post by thelupineone on Apr 11, 2024 11:09:08 GMT 1
The 377 and 378 run close to where I live. I didn't pay much attention to them when CT Plus operated them, but did when Arriva took over. They always feel a bit sparesely used. Hopefully TLC have better luck with them. Talking of former CT Plus routes, I have been on the 30 twice. Once on the upper deck of an old Plaxton President bodided bus; I was forgotten about by the bus driver who went to a layover point instead of the proper terminus with me still on board. I swear he was on the phone while driving... Second on a Wright-bodied bus with no ticket machine who just let us on for free and was surprised that someone was actually boarding. Wondering if the 30 will end up with SquarePeg as part of their Horsforth network, I am seeing they have some E200MMCs in from Dundee so may be looking to pick up new contracts or improve the 9/10.
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 11, 2024 11:28:36 GMT 1
The 377 and 378 run close to where I live. I didn't pay much attention to them when CT Plus operated them, but did when Arriva took over. They always feel a bit sparesely used. Hopefully TLC have better luck with them. Talking of former CT Plus routes, I have been on the 30 twice. Once on the upper deck of an old Plaxton President bodided bus; I was forgotten about by the bus driver who went to a layover point instead of the proper terminus with me still on board. I swear he was on the phone while driving... Second on a Wright-bodied bus with no ticket machine who just let us on for free and was surprised that someone was actually boarding. Wondering if the 30 will end up with SquarePeg as part of their Horsforth network, I am seeing they have some E200MMCs in from Dundee so may be looking to pick up new contracts or improve the 9/10. Unfortunately, A&A Coach Travel are massive cowboys, the way they have ran the route is a disgrace, proper cowboys, no consideration for their staff or their customers. I wouldn't even trust that lot with a school service, let alone a public bus route. If you read the route 30 thread on the other operators forum, you will see similar reports by other people. I wouldn't be surprised if the drivers at A&A coach travel, are drivers who have been sacked by the big operators, and respectable operators like Squarepeg won't take them on.
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Post by mutty on Apr 14, 2024 8:26:44 GMT 1
Don’t care as long as we don’t have to do it anymore, the worst route ever, not liked by many drivers at all What will you be doing with the Solos then? We will still need them for 260,261 and 271 - think we will need 6, at the minute , only 3 are operating as all rest are broken !
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Post by pricel on Apr 14, 2024 9:32:37 GMT 1
What will you be doing with the Solos then? We will still need them for 260,261 and 271 - think we will need 6, at the minute , only 3 are operating as all rest are broken ! All the double deckers seem to be going about on 260 and 271, would have far better usage sending them on to the 254.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 14, 2024 13:38:39 GMT 1
We will still need them for 260,261 and 271 - think we will need 6, at the minute , only 3 are operating as all rest are broken ! All the double deckers seem to be going about on 260 and 271, would have far better usage sending them on to the 254. the workings on 260/271 that have deckers are from when the 271 was serving Whitcliffe Mount.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 14, 2024 13:41:34 GMT 1
What will you be doing with the Solos then? We will still need them for 260,261 and 271 - think we will need 6, at the minute , only 3 are operating as all rest are broken ! wouldn't it make sense to have 1001-1003, 1030 & 1031 move across from Dewsbury to join 2165 when 377/378 finishes and the Solos go to Dewsbury for 212 ready for it's frequency increase as i know the mini e200s will be more nippier to navigate 261 & 271 (not sure on 260 as not travelled on it yet)
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Post by arriva1606 on Apr 14, 2024 14:18:48 GMT 1
We will still need them for 260,261 and 271 - think we will need 6, at the minute , only 3 are operating as all rest are broken ! wouldn't it make sense to have 1001-1003, 1030 & 1031 move across from Dewsbury to join 2165 when 377/378 finishes and the Solos go to Dewsbury for 212 ready for it's frequency increase as i know the mini e200s will be more nippier to navigate 261 & 271 (not sure on 260 as not travelled on it yet) Haven't seen 2165 in ages, off the road maybe?
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 14, 2024 14:33:43 GMT 1
Don't the Solo SR's have issues at Wakefield Bus Station, like they do in Leeds? The only stand they can go on at Wakefield is the WCB stand.
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 14, 2024 14:36:51 GMT 1
Don't the Solo SR's have issues at Wakefield Bus Station, like they do in Leeds? The only stand they can go on at Wakefield is the WCB stand. Ross Travel managed to use their SRs on the 146, so they should be ok.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 14, 2024 15:58:41 GMT 1
Don't the Solo SR's have issues at Wakefield Bus Station, like they do in Leeds? The only stand they can go on at Wakefield is the WCB stand. Nope Ross Travel used Solos on 125 & 146. Tetleys use Solos on WCB. Station Coaches always had Solos on 116/126/128 before the 116 got extended. Globe have also used Solos has the had 3 former Tate ones in the beginning and in recent years had YJ59NNC(?) on 96/97. Arriva's even used Solos themselves in the bus station too.
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Post by pricel on Apr 14, 2024 18:02:22 GMT 1
We will still need them for 260,261 and 271 - think we will need 6, at the minute , only 3 are operating as all rest are broken ! wouldn't it make sense to have 1001-1003, 1030 & 1031 move across from Dewsbury to join 2165 when 377/378 finishes and the Solos go to Dewsbury for 212 ready for it's frequency increase as i know the mini e200s will be more nippier to navigate 261 & 271 (not sure on 260 as not travelled on it yet) 260 is mostly just straight road but i think the mini E200s will be better on 260/1/271. Should free some E200s at Dewsbury and stop them from being a pain on routes they shouldn't be on. Solos are better capacity wise.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 14, 2024 18:48:47 GMT 1
wouldn't it make sense to have 1001-1003, 1030 & 1031 move across from Dewsbury to join 2165 when 377/378 finishes and the Solos go to Dewsbury for 212 ready for it's frequency increase as i know the mini e200s will be more nippier to navigate 261 & 271 (not sure on 260 as not travelled on it yet) 260 is mostly just straight road but i think the mini E200s will be better on 260/1/271. Should free some E200s at Dewsbury and stop them from being a pain on routes they shouldn't be on. Solos are better capacity wise. Well at the minute the mini e200s are actually sticking mainly to 212 and 230/230A/250. 250 would be better running standalone to allow a couple of the 09 plate e200s to be used regular and the 230/230A can potentially get a couple of Mellor Vehicles or Merc EVMs as the mini e200s are even too big for Ouzlewell.
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Post by pricel on Apr 14, 2024 22:12:52 GMT 1
260 is mostly just straight road but i think the mini E200s will be better on 260/1/271. Should free some E200s at Dewsbury and stop them from being a pain on routes they shouldn't be on. Solos are better capacity wise. Well at the minute the mini e200s are actually sticking mainly to 212 and 230/230A/250. 250 would be better running standalone to allow a couple of the 09 plate e200s to be used regular and the 230/230A can potentially get a couple of Mellor Vehicles or Merc EVMs as the mini e200s are even too big for Ouzlewell. Didn't the 230/230A (128/130) used to regularly see long E200s, and apparently a Gemini at one point according to someone on this forum?
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Post by dlspotter on Apr 14, 2024 22:51:20 GMT 1
Well at the minute the mini e200s are actually sticking mainly to 212 and 230/230A/250. 250 would be better running standalone to allow a couple of the 09 plate e200s to be used regular and the 230/230A can potentially get a couple of Mellor Vehicles or Merc EVMs as the mini e200s are even too big for Ouzlewell. Didn't the 230/230A (128/130) used to regularly see long E200s, and apparently a Gemini at one point according to someone on this forum? Regular long e200s and pulsars from my experience and even a confirmed sighting of it on a Gemini
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 15, 2024 0:37:33 GMT 1
Well at the minute the mini e200s are actually sticking mainly to 212 and 230/230A/250. 250 would be better running standalone to allow a couple of the 09 plate e200s to be used regular and the 230/230A can potentially get a couple of Mellor Vehicles or Merc EVMs as the mini e200s are even too big for Ouzlewell. Didn't the 230/230A (128/130) used to regularly see long E200s, and apparently a Gemini at one point according to someone on this forum? the full-sized e200s (1050-1066), the Eclipses, the Commanders, the Pulsars, the ALX200s, the ALX300 & the Ikarus models have all done 128/128A/130 and 230/230A but in reality are now too big due to the tight parking. If on the rarity a decker will have even been used it will have only have been on 128A/130/230A as that runs via Headlands Road and Brewery Lane avoiding the low bridge on the 128/230's route to Ouzlewell which is via Forge Lane and is only 14ft so Arriva's Deckers have never and will never be able to fit under.
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Post by pricel on Apr 15, 2024 8:18:47 GMT 1
Didn't the 230/230A (128/130) used to regularly see long E200s, and apparently a Gemini at one point according to someone on this forum? the full-sized e200s (1050-1066), the Eclipses, the Commanders, the Pulsars, the ALX200s, the ALX300 & the Ikarus models have all done 128/128A/130 and 230/230A but in reality are now too big due to the tight parking. If on the rarity a decker will have even been used it will have only have been on 128A/130/230A as that runs via Headlands Road and Brewery Lane avoiding the low bridge on the 128/230's route to Ouzlewell which is via Forge Lane and is only 14ft so Arriva's Deckers have never and will never be able to fit under. Arriva's double deckers do fit under the 14'0 bridges as they're 13'11. As I have mentioned loads of times, 107 is a prime example. There is a double decker on everyday for the school run and there is a 14'0 bridge on Denby Dale Road and they always go under it. Don't believe me there is a full route visual of it at www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zb5QogIkYw&ab_channel=Yorks%26LancsTransportHub
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