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Post by SCH117X on Feb 5, 2024 13:04:16 GMT 1
www.york.gov.uk/news/article/1366/local-bus-services-reviewed-to-secure-long-term-support1 / 1A (First) - Support to be withdrawn for Mon-Sat late evening, Sunday evening and possibly early morning Mon-Sat. West Nooks Haxby to be served hourly instead of by the 13 as the 1A. 11 (First) - To operate all day via the South Bank loop replacing 26 and hourly frequency 12 (East Yorkshire) & 14 (Transdev) to be merged 13 (Connexions) Flaxman Croft loop Copmanthorpe to be withdrawn. West Nooks Haxby to be served by the 1A instead 16 (Connexions) To incorate the Ascot Way loop replacing 24 and hourly frequency 19 / 19A / 19X (York Pullman / Transdev) Reduced to hourly 24 / 25 / 26 (Transdev) - to be replaced by an hourly service to Acomb and Derwenthorpe and a half-hourly service to Fulford Crossfield Crescent and Germany Beck
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Post by pricel on Feb 5, 2024 17:53:12 GMT 1
www.york.gov.uk/news/article/1366/local-bus-services-reviewed-to-secure-long-term-support1 / 1A (First) - Support to be withdrawn for Mon-Sat late evening, Sunday evening and possibly early morning Mon-Sat. West Nooks Haxby to be served hourly instead of by the 13 as the 1A. 11 (First) - To operate all day via the South Bank loop replacing 26 and hourly frequency 12 (East Yorkshire) & 14 (Transdev) to be merged 13 (Connexions) Flaxman Croft loop Copmanthorpe to be withdrawn. West Nooks Haxby to be served by the 1A instead 16 (Connexions) To incorate the Ascot Way loop replacing 24 and hourly frequency 19 / 19A / 19X (York Pullman / Transdev) Reduced to hourly 24 / 25 / 26 (Transdev) - to be replaced by an hourly service to Acomb and Derwenthorpe and a half-hourly service to Fulford Crossfield Crescent and Germany Beck With services 22/23 and 181 going to east Yorkshire is Transdev York going to have any service left besides City Sightseeing. Seems like a waste to build a new depot and not even use it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 18:20:29 GMT 1
www.york.gov.uk/news/article/1366/local-bus-services-reviewed-to-secure-long-term-support1 / 1A (First) - Support to be withdrawn for Mon-Sat late evening, Sunday evening and possibly early morning Mon-Sat. West Nooks Haxby to be served hourly instead of by the 13 as the 1A. 11 (First) - To operate all day via the South Bank loop replacing 26 and hourly frequency 12 (East Yorkshire) & 14 (Transdev) to be merged 13 (Connexions) Flaxman Croft loop Copmanthorpe to be withdrawn. West Nooks Haxby to be served by the 1A instead 16 (Connexions) To incorate the Ascot Way loop replacing 24 and hourly frequency 19 / 19A / 19X (York Pullman / Transdev) Reduced to hourly 24 / 25 / 26 (Transdev) - to be replaced by an hourly service to Acomb and Derwenthorpe and a half-hourly service to Fulford Crossfield Crescent and Germany Beck With services 22/23 and 181 going to east Yorkshire is Transdev York going to have any service left besides City Sightseeing. Seems like a waste to build a new depot and not even use it. It was suggested a few months ago on the RailUK Forum depending how the tendered results went then most of Coastliner would move to York with Malton becoming an outstation with a couple of buses for the Whitby runs. Service 20 seems to be remaining with Transdev as well. |
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 5, 2024 20:52:43 GMT 1
www.york.gov.uk/news/article/1366/local-bus-services-reviewed-to-secure-long-term-support1 / 1A (First) - Support to be withdrawn for Mon-Sat late evening, Sunday evening and possibly early morning Mon-Sat. West Nooks Haxby to be served hourly instead of by the 13 as the 1A. 11 (First) - To operate all day via the South Bank loop replacing 26 and hourly frequency 12 (East Yorkshire) & 14 (Transdev) to be merged 13 (Connexions) Flaxman Croft loop Copmanthorpe to be withdrawn. West Nooks Haxby to be served by the 1A instead 16 (Connexions) To incorate the Ascot Way loop replacing 24 and hourly frequency 19 / 19A / 19X (York Pullman / Transdev) Reduced to hourly 24 / 25 / 26 (Transdev) - to be replaced by an hourly service to Acomb and Derwenthorpe and a half-hourly service to Fulford Crossfield Crescent and Germany Beck With services 22/23 and 181 going to east Yorkshire is Transdev York going to have any service left besides City Sightseeing. Seems like a waste to build a new depot and not even use it. Depends on the tendering process.None of the existing operators beyond probably First with the 1 are guaranteed to retain the services they have. Also I understand all York and North Yorkshire bus service are moving to be udner the control of the York and North Yorkshire Combined Authority when it formed im May. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 5, 2024 21:19:49 GMT 1
It was suggested a few months ago on the RailUK Forum depending how the tendered results went then most of Coastliner would move to York with Malton becoming an outstation with a couple of buses for the Whitby runs. Service 20 seems to be remaining with Transdev as well. If all Coastliner services were moved to the York depot then I can see a lot of the 843 journeys that run to/from Malton being culled. All 8 of the departures from Leeds after 5pm run through to Malton and terminate with the bus then going straight to bed. How many of those journeys will continue beyond York if they then have to run empty back to York afterwards? My guess would be no more than one or two, basically the end of evening buses to Malton. Likewise morning journeys from Malton towards Leeds departing before 0745 on weekdays, or 0900 on Saturday, come straight from the depot so it's hard to see that there would be enough demand for many of them to continue running if they have to add dead mileage on as well. But going the other way, the first 3 journeys to Scarborough start straight from the depot in Malton but would now need to add dead or little-used mileage from York or the first journey(s) in and out of Scarborough would face cancellation. It strikes me that moving Coastliner operations to York would make the operation less efficient, and would see a lot of marginal services at the start and end of the day removed. |
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 5, 2024 21:31:34 GMT 1
Could Malton be used an outstation for a couple or so vehicles.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 21:35:22 GMT 1
It was suggested a few months ago on the RailUK Forum depending how the tendered results went then most of Coastliner would move to York with Malton becoming an outstation with a couple of buses for the Whitby runs. Service 20 seems to be remaining with Transdev as well. If all Coastliner services were moved to the York depot then I can see a lot of the 843 journeys that run to/from Malton being culled. All 8 of the departures from Leeds after 5pm run through to Malton and terminate with the bus then going straight to bed. How many of those journeys will continue beyond York if they then have to run empty back to York afterwards? My guess would be no more than one or two, basically the end of evening buses to Malton. Likewise morning journeys from Malton towards Leeds departing before 0745 on weekdays, or 0900 on Saturday, come straight from the depot so it's hard to see that there would be enough demand for many of them to continue running if they have to add dead mileage on as well. But going the other way, the first 3 journeys to Scarborough start straight from the depot in Malton but would now need to add dead or little-used mileage from York or the first journey(s) in and out of Scarborough would face cancellation. It strikes me that moving Coastliner operations to York would make the operation less efficient, and would see a lot of marginal services at the start and end of the day removed. It depends, as they could also just add some extra runs between York & Malton, depending on if passenger numbers are worth keeping the early morning/evening runs. As the post did state Malton would be used as an outstation they could decide to keep some 843s there as well. In some aspects it would make the operation more efficient, as currently there are currently dead runs to/from York & Tadcaster what would make better sense to run from York depot plus would provide some flexibility if they ever decided to bring back the Summer express extras. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 5, 2024 21:38:33 GMT 1
It was suggested a few months ago on the RailUK Forum depending how the tendered results went then most of Coastliner would move to York with Malton becoming an outstation with a couple of buses for the Whitby runs. Service 20 seems to be remaining with Transdev as well. If all Coastliner services were moved to the York depot then I can see a lot of the 843 journeys that run to/from Malton being culled. All 8 of the departures from Leeds after 5pm run through to Malton and terminate with the bus then going straight to bed. How many of those journeys will continue beyond York if they then have to run empty back to York afterwards? My guess would be no more than one or two, basically the end of evening buses to Malton. Likewise morning journeys from Malton towards Leeds departing before 0745 on weekdays, or 0900 on Saturday, come straight from the depot so it's hard to see that there would be enough demand for many of them to continue running if they have to add dead mileage on as well. But going the other way, the first 3 journeys to Scarborough start straight from the depot in Malton but would now need to add dead or little-used mileage from York or the first journey(s) in and out of Scarborough would face cancellation. It strikes me that moving Coastliner operations to York would make the operation less efficient, and would see a lot of marginal services at the start and end of the day removed. The rumour is that some of the Coastliner will move to York not all of it So there should still be buses to Malton, just not every single one at a high frequency The line about ‘some Whitby runs’ was just someone on RUK forum guessing, there is no solid foundation that that is all Malton would be used for |
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 6, 2024 10:48:37 GMT 1
Doubt there is the actual demand for six buses leaving Malton for York between 0459 and 0712 then you have the two eastbound workings that start at Tadcaster which run empty from Malton. Seems to me there are some significant mileage savings to be made in moving three or four workings to Rawcliffe on top of the existing York-Hazlebush one - that will be an issue with the loss of the Castleline as it is worked by a Versa that then takes up that service from Malton. Alternatively the bus could be used to form the 0750 from Malton to Scarborough.
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