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Post by martinsfp on Jan 11, 2024 22:24:16 GMT 1
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Post by stantheman on Jan 12, 2024 8:47:12 GMT 1
WYCA are keeping very quiet, I have to wonder why? What do they know that is already known by some not connected in any way to WYCA? I wouldn't take the damage to cars in the car park below with a pinch of salt, not the ceiling collapsing, I have no proof what so ever but that building should not have been built on top of a void but hey ho, money first is the saying of many a bad councillor, and there have been many over the years, not just the current lot. The fact the tarmac keeps collapsing needing frequent repairs, far more than any other bus station should tell you a lot. Are you talking about a decision that was made in the 70s here? Because much of the structure is still the original construction. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 12, 2024 16:19:41 GMT 1
A member of Metro Travel Centre staff has relocated to the Northern Rail ticket office to provide customer information. Also an M Card top up machine is being relocated to the railway station. This follows complaints when passengers were told to go to another town to top up their pink M cards
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 12, 2024 17:52:15 GMT 1
Bus station to remain closed for “several weeks” www.westyorks-ca.gov.uk/all-news-and-blogs/statement-on-closure-of-bradford-interchange-bus-station/A West Yorkshire Combined Authority spokesperson said: “As the organisation responsible, we took the decision to close Bradford Interchange bus station last week after some damage was discovered. “Contractors today began work onsite to establish the extent of the damage and what remedial works are required before it can be safely reopened. It is anticipated that these surveys could take several weeks to complete and the bus station will remain closed throughout this period. “We are developing plans for a temporary bus station solution to limit disruption for passengers, operators and the city centre during this time. Bradford Council is supporting us with this to help minimise disruption to transformation work that is happening in the city centre. “We have taken this precautionary measure because public safety is our top priority and we want to thank passengers and bus operators for their understanding.” |
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Post by pjb on Jan 13, 2024 2:45:51 GMT 1
I walked past the Interchange Friday evening and it was all still lit up. Indeed the escalator to the bus concourse was still running from the lower concourse despite no passengers. It looked to me like the glass structure on the 2000s ish pyramid shape glazing on the bus station might have been at fault. It had been leaking for years anyway as there has often been wet floor cones at the top of the stairs and escalator for months on end but the leaky roof glazing was never fixed - so adds to suspicions. This is almost over the stairwell areas.
If it’s the pyramid glazing that’s faulty then it comes down to the quality of the 2000ish rebuild and not the original 1970s deck that’s at fault.
You’d think they could at least temporarily partition the bus stairwells off so the lower concourse shops and toilets could reopen to serve rail passengers.
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 13, 2024 9:35:23 GMT 1
I walked past the Interchange Friday evening and it was all still lit up. Indeed the escalator to the bus concourse was still running from the lower concourse despite no passengers. It looked to me like the glass structure on the 2000s ish pyramid shape glazing on the bus station might have been at fault. It had been leaking for years anyway as there has often been wet floor cones at the top of the stairs and escalator for months on end but the leaky roof glazing was never fixed - so adds to suspicions. This is almost over the stairwell areas. If it’s the pyramid glazing that’s faulty then it comes down to the quality of the 2000ish rebuild and not the original 1970s deck that’s at fault. You’d think they could at least temporarily partition the bus stairwells off so the lower concourse shops and toilets could reopen to serve rail passengers. With them carrying out surveys on the whole bus station sector that to me indicates it could be structual or worse the ground/foundations could be the issue but at the moment we're all speculating what the main problem is so it's best we all stop the speculating and wait for the survey reports outcomes to be announced which take us up to mid March at the very earliest we would find out the initial findings. |
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Post by rikki85 on Jan 14, 2024 11:49:11 GMT 1
The trouble is WYCA/Metro have become too big and bureaucratic and as such has taken its eye of the fundamentals of why the organisation exists and its role.
When Yorkshire Rider was sold to it's employees, Metro decided to open plush offices in Leeds instead of paying off the Interchenage debt. In 1989 it looked at ways of cutting costs with the interchange and worked with architects on ways this could be achieved or made smaller.
In 1996, when half the interchange was sold to Abbey National, again the money was squandered and a few years later the interchange bus station was re-built as a tin shed with a glass roof for a fragment of the amount Metro received from the sale thr Interchange.
Some aspects of the interchange have been neglected for years, the lower concourse hasn't had anything done since 1996 and for years the yellow hoardings covered the former entrances to platforms D to E were never repainted or covered up.
Metro should really have paid the debts and reinvest the money from the sale of half the interchange. Someone who know, spoke to architect invloved in the interchange about the interchange a while ago and he had said the original building would last 200 years. It only needed modernising in a way which worked with the original structure and what was underground. However when you start changing what is above and not what is below you start to put elements together which don't always work in the same way. There will be movement and forces involved which weren't in the equation in the beginning and this is where problems can start and get worse. Add new structures and it might cause issues down the road.
It's not hard to see what the problem is, Metro have changed so much above and not below that it is bound to have caused structural issues - just look at the Bingo Hall roof farce. Metro probably don't want to stay what has happened yet because they know they've messed up.
One wonders that had the Interchange been in Leeds, it wouldn't have been neglected quite so much.
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Post by joseph on Jan 14, 2024 12:36:41 GMT 1
The trouble is WYCA/Metro have become too big and bureaucratic and as such has taken its eye of the fundamentals of why the organisation exists and its role. When Yorkshire Rider was sold to it's employees, Metro decided to open plush offices in Leeds instead of paying off the Interchenage debt. In 1989 it looked at ways of cutting costs with the interchange and worked with architects on ways this could be achieved or made smaller. In 1996, when half the interchange was sold to Abbey National, again the money was squandered and a few years later the interchange bus station was re-built as a tin shed with a glass roof for a fragment of the amount Metro received from the sale thr Interchange. Some aspects of the interchange have been neglected for years, the lower concourse hasn't had anything done since 1996 and for years the yellow hoardings covered the former entrances to platforms D to E were never repainted or covered up. Metro should really have paid the debts and reinvest the money from the sale of half the interchange. Someone who know, spoke to architect invloved in the interchange about the interchange a while ago and he had said the original building would last 200 years. It only needed modernising in a way which worked with the original structure and what was underground. However when you start changing what is above and not what is below you start to put elements together which don't always work in the same way. There will be movement and forces involved which weren't in the equation in the beginning and this is where problems can start and get worse. Add new structures and it might cause issues down the road. It's not hard to see what the problem is, Metro have changed so much above and not below that it is bound to have caused structural issues - just look at the Bingo Hall roof farce. Metro probably don't want to stay what has happened yet because they know they've messed up. One wonders that had the Interchange been in Leeds, it wouldn't have been neglected quite so much. I'm not sure about the last bit as Leeds Bus Station continues to be a leaky cold shed what just gets tarted up with cheap bits at great expense disguised as a major improvement. You've hit the nail on the head with the Wellington Street offices, why couldn't they work out of a portacabin on an industrial estate in Elland? I'll tell you why, councillors think they've got the right to throw public money away on flash offices in the middle of Leeds because they think they're more important than anyone else. As for the latest farce that the public can't visit these offices any more to speak to someone like you used to be able to without an appointment, that just tells you everything. As a side note, up until just before Covid, the flash all singing all dancing all accessible WYCA offices couldn't take wheelchairs that were anything bigger than one of those cheap basic ones due to the lift not being long enough for the door to close, not sure if that has changed as I couldn't get to see inside the entrance last time I tried to visit in person to make a complaint regarding the lack of registration for a bus service change and WYCA being unaware times on it had changed. |
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Post by rikki85 on Jan 14, 2024 15:59:48 GMT 1
The trouble is WYCA/Metro have become too big and bureaucratic and as such has taken its eye of the fundamentals of why the organisation exists and its role. When Yorkshire Rider was sold to it's employees, Metro decided to open plush offices in Leeds instead of paying off the Interchenage debt. In 1989 it looked at ways of cutting costs with the interchange and worked with architects on ways this could be achieved or made smaller. In 1996, when half the interchange was sold to Abbey National, again the money was squandered and a few years later the interchange bus station was re-built as a tin shed with a glass roof for a fragment of the amount Metro received from the sale thr Interchange. Some aspects of the interchange have been neglected for years, the lower concourse hasn't had anything done since 1996 and for years the yellow hoardings covered the former entrances to platforms D to E were never repainted or covered up. Metro should really have paid the debts and reinvest the money from the sale of half the interchange. Someone who know, spoke to architect invloved in the interchange about the interchange a while ago and he had said the original building would last 200 years. It only needed modernising in a way which worked with the original structure and what was underground. However when you start changing what is above and not what is below you start to put elements together which don't always work in the same way. There will be movement and forces involved which weren't in the equation in the beginning and this is where problems can start and get worse. Add new structures and it might cause issues down the road. It's not hard to see what the problem is, Metro have changed so much above and not below that it is bound to have caused structural issues - just look at the Bingo Hall roof farce. Metro probably don't want to stay what has happened yet because they know they've messed up. One wonders that had the Interchange been in Leeds, it wouldn't have been neglected quite so much. I'm not sure about the last bit as Leeds Bus Station continues to be a leaky cold shed what just gets tarted up with cheap bits at great expense disguised as a major improvement. You've hit the nail on the head with the Wellington Street offices, why couldn't they work out of a portacabin on an industrial estate in Elland? I'll tell you why, councillors think they've got the right to throw public money away on flash offices in the middle of Leeds because they think they're more important than anyone else. As for the latest farce that the public can't visit these offices any more to speak to someone like you used to be able to without an appointment, that just tells you everything. As a side note, up until just before Covid, the flash all singing all dancing all accessible WYCA offices couldn't take wheelchairs that were anything bigger than one of those cheap basic ones due to the lift not being long enough for the door to close, not sure if that has changed as I couldn't get to see inside the entrance last time I tried to visit in person to make a complaint regarding the lack of registration for a bus service change and WYCA being unaware times on it had changed. That's very true about Leeds station, it is like a game of dodge the bucket in there, the multi million pound refurb was a bit of plaster on the walls and new seating. The roof is untouched. Yes absolutely, they put themselves first with plush offices thinking it's not their money to spend whilst at the same time forgetting their role. That just says it all, typical Metro - token effort to make it look they are doing something but what they actually do is useless. This case a useless wheelchair lift. |
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Post by delenn on Jan 14, 2024 19:20:58 GMT 1
And this is the organisation some people want to control the buses. If they can't do 2 bus stations, what hope is there of running franchising?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2024 20:02:49 GMT 1
And this is the organisation some people want to control the buses. If they can't do 2 bus stations, what hope is there of running franchising? Because of course transport planning & management & building management are the exact same thing.... |
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 14, 2024 21:02:53 GMT 1
And this is the organisation some people want to control the buses. If they can't do 2 bus stations, what hope is there of running franchising? Arriva took almost two months to fix a door for their flagship bus service in Wakefield. Imagine a more severe issue? |
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Post by Penfold on Jan 14, 2024 21:33:34 GMT 1
And this is the organisation some people want to control the buses. If they can't do 2 bus stations, what hope is there of running franchising? Arriva took almost two months to fix a door for their flagship bus service in Wakefield. Imagine a more severe issue? I think you'll find that was nearer 6 months. Penfold |
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Post by stantheman on Jan 14, 2024 22:04:07 GMT 1
Heard today that due to the problems, the Interchange is likely to be demolished.
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Post by leedsbusman on Jan 14, 2024 22:13:25 GMT 1
Heard today that due to the problems, the Interchange is likely to be demolished. Heard from who? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2024 22:34:13 GMT 1
Heard today that due to the problems, the Interchange is likely to be demolished. If it's true there could be a silver lining to it happening & it becomes a perfect opportunity for an improved overall interchange with it happening when they was wanting to demolish the car park plus looking at options for a Railway Site 10-15min further away. |
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Post by WYBS on Jan 14, 2024 23:10:22 GMT 1
Heard today that due to the problems, the Interchange is likely to be demolished. I honestly wouldn't be surprised. I'd even be fearful to ride a bus on the main carriageway now in case we suddenly ended up in the car park below. |
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 14, 2024 23:20:15 GMT 1
Right quit the rumours as there's going to be several structual surveys done which will take weeks as stated in the statement so you'd be looking at mid March before an offical announcements, they are currently looking at establishing at temp bus station asap so again as they'll need to find a location structually safe enough again we're looking at March before that starts.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 15, 2024 7:09:12 GMT 1
Until Metro come out & admit what's going on, you'll get speculation & rumours. This has been very poorly handled by Metro & am unsure what they're gaining from not sharing the issue. |
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Post by stantheman on Jan 15, 2024 8:46:53 GMT 1
Heard today that due to the problems, the Interchange is likely to be demolished. Heard from who? A retired employee who still keeps touch with people who work there. |
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Post by rikki85 on Jan 15, 2024 15:48:20 GMT 1
And this is the organisation some people want to control the buses. If they can't do 2 bus stations, what hope is there of running franchising? Because of course transport planning & management & building management are the exact same thing.... Simple answer is, they took their eye of the ball. The interchange has been neglected for 30 years in many respects. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 16:02:38 GMT 1
Because of course transport planning & management & building management are the exact same thing.... Simple answer is, they took their eye of the ball. The interchange has been neglected for 30 years in many respects. Sounds to me more like the standard thing across most if not all infrastructure in the UK, we are happy to build new stuff but rubbish at maintaining existing stuff (also see Roads, Hospitals, Schools & so on) |
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Post by rikki85 on Jan 15, 2024 16:14:50 GMT 1
Simple answer is, they took their eye of the ball. The interchange has been neglected for 30 years in many respects. Sounds to me more like the standard thing across most if not all infrastructure in the UK, we are happy to build new stuff but rubbish at maintaining existing stuff (also see Roads, Hospitals, Schools & so on) Indeed, Metro like the glory and attention of new things but don't like the upkeep of them |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 19:04:31 GMT 1
Sounds to me more like the standard thing across most if not all infrastructure in the UK, we are happy to build new stuff but rubbish at maintaining existing stuff (also see Roads, Hospitals, Schools & so on) Indeed, Metro like the glory and attention of new things but don't like the upkeep of them I Think you mean Governments in general like the attention (especially our central government) . Metro has been nothing more than a brand name since 2014,so I doubt they'll be getting much glory over anything. |
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Post by rikki85 on Jan 15, 2024 19:49:45 GMT 1
Indeed, Metro like the glory and attention of new things but don't like the upkeep of them I Think you mean Governments in general like the attention (especially our central government) . Metro has been nothing more than a brand name since 2014,so I doubt they'll be getting much glory over anything. WYCA then,same rubbish, different name. |
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