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Post by First 19013 on Oct 16, 2023 13:10:17 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 16, 2023 13:21:34 GMT 1
Don’t book in that trip to Keighley quite yet
“The new buses are expected to be in service by the end of next year”
The lead times on electric buses is quite ridiculous
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Post by mattb7tl on Oct 16, 2023 14:24:23 GMT 1
From a batch of 13 to 15.
Perhaps the new buses will go alongside a minor increase in frequency?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 14:29:17 GMT 1
From a batch of 13 to 15. Perhaps the new buses will go alongside a minor increase in frequency? 15 should be enough to restore the 10 Min frequency? currently it's around 2 hour round trip + 10 minutes layover at each end so would be a PVR 14 + 1 spare. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Oct 16, 2023 14:48:31 GMT 1
From a batch of 13 to 15. Perhaps the new buses will go alongside a minor increase in frequency? 15 should be enough to restore the 10 Min frequency? currently it's around 2 hour round trip + 10 minutes layover at each end so would be a PVR 14 + 1 spare. The article doesn't reference an increase in frequency, and still refers to buses running "every 15 minutes", although what the situation will be in another 12 months is hard to predict! It could well be that they are getting additional buses to ensure resilience and avoid subbing diesel buses onto the route. I can't imagine that, with electric buses in particular, they would manage 14 out of 15 in service on a daily basis, so it seems unlikely that they are expecting to increase the frequency to every 10 minutes (although every 12 might be a manageable compromise within those resources if demand requires it). |
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Post by stevieinselby on Oct 16, 2023 14:49:58 GMT 1
Don’t book in that trip to Keighley quite yet “The new buses are expected to be in service by the end of next year” The lead times on electric buses is quite ridiculous From what I can gather, lead times on electric cars are similar, due to the limited supply chain for batteries in particular and that some manufacturers don't even offer RHD models so we have fewer options to choose from. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 19:46:29 GMT 1
15 should be enough to restore the 10 Min frequency? currently it's around 2 hour round trip + 10 minutes layover at each end so would be a PVR 14 + 1 spare. The article doesn't reference an increase in frequency, and still refers to buses running "every 15 minutes", although what the situation will be in another 12 months is hard to predict! It could well be that they are getting additional buses to ensure resilience and avoid subbing diesel buses onto the route. I can't imagine that, with electric buses in particular, they would manage 14 out of 15 in service on a daily basis, so it seems unlikely that they are expecting to increase the frequency to every 10 minutes (although every 12 might be a manageable compromise within those resources if demand requires it). I Can see what you mean over them possibly wanting to keep more than 1 spare, but at the same time surely it's a waste of funding & depot space having brand new electric vehicles sitting spare just because they don't want to risk a diesel bus filling in on the shuttle? Especially as the Citaros have less capacity than the Eclipses what can already get fairly full. I'd assume they didn't mention any frequency upgrade as they don't know what the driver situation will be, as you said it will be hard to predict the situation in 12 months time & have probably learned lessons after the problems that first arose from the 36 uplift. |
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Oct 17, 2023 8:21:25 GMT 1
Don’t book in that trip to Keighley quite yet “The new buses are expected to be in service by the end of next year” The lead times on electric buses is quite ridiculous From what I can gather, lead times on electric cars are similar, due to the limited supply chain for batteries in particular and that some manufacturers don't even offer RHD models so we have fewer options to choose from. Lead time on diesel buses, unless you are buying from stock which probably isn't an option for electrics, isn't much better and you would be looking at probably 6-months minimum lead time from most manufacturers. The big delay on electric buses is the depot infrastructure (chargers & even more so the connection to the grid at a sufficiently high volume point), Mercedes can probably deliver faster but if they can't be charged at the depot there is no point having them built and sat in a yard for 6 months waiting for the National Grid to provide sufficient power to charge 15 buses (our first 4 electric buses spent several months out on loan as demonstrators for the manufacturer while we waited for the infrastructure installation that was delayed from original plan by a couple of months - admittedly the council had ordered them as an add on to an existing order before final sign off for us to operate them on the specific contract so the discrepancy between vehicle delivery and infrastructure delivery was exacerbated). |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 17, 2023 23:04:01 GMT 1
On that note I wonder where the electric charging facility will be installed. They are usually modern outdoor locations whereas the Keighley depot is mostly an old indoor building.
There is the rough hard standing opposite, or possibly they might be planning on demolishing some of the depot
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Oct 18, 2023 8:26:37 GMT 1
On that note I wonder where the electric charging facility will be installed. They are usually modern outdoor locations whereas the Keighley depot is mostly an old indoor building. There is the rough hard standing opposite, or possibly they might be planning on demolishing some of the depot A number of European operators, who still often have large covered depots, run all the wiring across the roof (with the bulky infrastructure along the wall) and then have the connections dropping down from there to be plugged in to the vehicles. It actually has advantages in that it means less ground is taken out by chargers lined across the middle of the yard if you have a roof capable of carrying the weight and there is less to accidentally hit with vehicles so damage is less likely & less expensive to repair. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 26, 2023 14:45:59 GMT 1
Buses magazine mentions about the 15 e-Citaro buses ordered for The Shuttle.
However, it refers to how these will electrify the route "by the end of next year". So, they seem likely to be later than we might have hoped or expected. Harrogate are due theirs, and also E400EVs, I believe in the first quarter of next month.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 26, 2023 15:13:22 GMT 1
Buses magazine mentions about the 15 e-Citaro buses ordered for The Shuttle. However, it refers to how these will electrify the route "by the end of next year". So, they seem likely to be later than we might have hoped or expected. Harrogate are due theirs, and also E400EVs, I believe in the first quarter of next month. I'm not sure why it's a surprise - it's exactly the same phrasing as the article linked to in the first post (as quoted in the second). |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 26, 2023 18:25:39 GMT 1
Buses magazine mentions about the 15 e-Citaro buses ordered for The Shuttle. However, it refers to how these will electrify the route "by the end of next year". So, they seem likely to be later than we might have hoped or expected. Harrogate are due theirs, and also E400EVs, I believe in the first quarter of next month. I'm not sure why it's a surprise - it's exactly the same phrasing as the article linked to in the first post (as quoted in the second). Now you mention it, I looked and have seen it. Even if I did spot it in passing, it was 6 weeks ago now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 18:34:42 GMT 1
Buses magazine mentions about the 15 e-Citaro buses ordered for The Shuttle. However, it refers to how these will electrify the route "by the end of next year". So, they seem likely to be later than we might have hoped or expected. Harrogate are due theirs, and also E400EVs, I believe in the first quarter of next month. Do you mean the first Quarter of next year, or are all 39 electrics really due within a week during December? |
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Post by deerfold on Nov 26, 2023 19:14:21 GMT 1
I'm not sure why it's a surprise - it's exactly the same phrasing as the article linked to in the first post (as quoted in the second). Now you mention it, I looked and have seen it. Even if I did spot it in passing, it was 6 weeks ago now. It was. Was there some reason you thought they'd be earlier? |
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Post by 77syk7 on Dec 15, 2023 12:47:41 GMT 1
Sampled the eCitaro demonstrator for the first time yesterday on the 662. Very impressive indeed - quiet, smooth, light inside and no rattles / vibrations etc with rapid effortless acceleration. Whether we like it or not, this is going to be future!
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Post by deerfold on Dec 15, 2023 18:10:38 GMT 1
Sampled the eCitaro demonstrator for the first time yesterday on the 662. Very impressive indeed - quiet, smooth, light inside and no rattles / vibrations etc with rapid effortless acceleration. Whether we like it or not, this is going to be future! On it now. Seems to be rather nice. Even with a full load. The only bad thing, which is presumably due to it being a demonstrator is that it isn't tracking, so I thought I had a rather longer wait for my next bus. |
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Post by YN56_Scanias! on Jan 18, 2024 22:16:22 GMT 1
Heard some of the electrics could be delivered between Now and June. Anyone know if the chargers have been fitted in keighley yet?
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Post by leedsbusman on Jan 18, 2024 23:53:21 GMT 1
Heard some of the electrics could be delivered between Now and June. Anyone know if the chargers have been fitted in keighley yet? Interesting, who told you that? The company announcement said delivery by the end of 2024. |
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Post by YN56_Scanias! on Jan 19, 2024 7:49:35 GMT 1
Heard some of the electrics could be delivered between Now and June. Anyone know if the chargers have been fitted in keighley yet? Interesting, who told you that? The company announcement said delivery by the end of 2024. Keep hearing rumours that they are coming earlier than expected |
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Post by YN56_Scanias! on Feb 5, 2024 21:59:33 GMT 1
Anyone know why the demo is in Leeds? it went through city square as I was walking down a side street and when I got to the end of the road I saw it but it doesn’t have back destination blinds. Only Transdev route that uses city square is the A1 airport bus and wondered if it had gone to them now? And it’s not been in service with keighley for a while
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Post by deerfold on Feb 5, 2024 22:41:33 GMT 1
Anyone know why the demo is in Leeds? it went through city square as I was walking down a side street and when I got to the end of the road I saw it but it doesn’t have back destination blinds. Only Transdev route that uses city square is the A1 airport bus and wondered if it had gone to them now? And it’s not been in service with keighley for a while Don't know which road you saw it on, but the 60/A uses City Square stop F |
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Post by arriva1606 on Feb 6, 2024 11:33:45 GMT 1
Anyone know why the demo is in Leeds? it went through city square as I was walking down a side street and when I got to the end of the road I saw it but it doesn’t have back destination blinds. Only Transdev route that uses city square is the A1 airport bus and wondered if it had gone to them now? And it’s not been in service with keighley for a while Don't know which road you saw it on, but the 60/A uses City Square stop F And the X98/X99 Terminate around the corner on Boar Lane |
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Feb 6, 2024 16:24:13 GMT 1
Sampled the eCitaro demonstrator for the first time yesterday on the 662. Very impressive indeed - quiet, smooth, light inside and no rattles / vibrations etc with rapid effortless acceleration. Whether we like it or not, this is going to be future! On it now. Seems to be rather nice. Even with a full load. The only bad thing, which is presumably due to it being a demonstrator is that it isn't tracking, so I thought I had a rather longer wait for my next bus. Tracking today, on the 14:10 & 16:20 ex Keighley |
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 9, 2024 14:46:06 GMT 1
Planning permission has been granted this week for 14 charging points to be installed at the depot.
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