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Post by SF07 on Sept 18, 2023 19:55:36 GMT 1
PB0001746/128 Registered HARROGATE & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD Route: Leeds to Deighton Bar via Wetherby Service number: X98 (X99) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 29 Oct 2023 To improve reliability and punctuality
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2023 21:10:55 GMT 1
Stringers also have a revised timetable on the 499 from the 8th October.
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 18, 2023 22:21:53 GMT 1
Stringers also have a revised timetable on the 499 from the 8th October. under if it's bringing back the Saturday service
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 18, 2023 22:47:34 GMT 1
The 184 is now registered as withdrawn
Edit: Another route or change has not been registered as a replacement for the late journeys. We're edging closer and closer to Stoke, leaving the last bus for all of the Colne Valley at 8pm
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Post by platform5 on Sept 19, 2023 8:47:25 GMT 1
Can you be a little more precise please ?
Do you mean the 184 Hudd - Oldham withdrawn ?
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Post by deerfold on Sept 19, 2023 8:54:11 GMT 1
The 184 is now registered as withdrawnย Edit: Another route or change has not been registered as a replacement for the late journeys. We're edging closer and closer to Stoke, leaving the last bus for all of the Colne Valley at 8pm They have submitted the registration nearly 4 months in advance (with nearly 3 months left), so there's plenty of time for a replacement to be registered.
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Post by smithy on Sept 19, 2023 9:50:57 GMT 1
Transdev or Stagecoach Manchester might take it on so many runs a day every 2 hours
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 19, 2023 11:14:23 GMT 1
The 184 is now registered as withdrawn Edit: Another route or change has not been registered as a replacement for the late journeys. We're edging closer and closer to Stoke, leaving the last bus for all of the Colne Valley at 8pm They have submitted the registration nearly 4 months in advance (with nearly 3 months left), so there's plenty of time for a replacement to be registered. I sure hope they provide one. I saw this coming from a mile away. It was beyond wreckless to remove a reliable bus route in replacement for one that isn't just unreliable but one that valley locals realistically don't use past the hard end terminus. I remember people not liking that when it was said last but it is now getting withdrawn.
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Post by WYBS on Sept 19, 2023 11:31:05 GMT 1
Transdev or Stagecoach Manchester might take it on so many runs a day every 2 hours I don't believe Stagecoach would ever be taking it on. Their presence in Oldham will be under the control of TFGM; who don't appear to be running any cross-border routes.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Sept 19, 2023 11:46:27 GMT 1
Could it not be potentially going on the existing 181/185 registration as that would make more sense. The same happened years ago with the Calder Valley services. They had one registration per service and they were merged. Obviously now the 184 is run by one depot and is in a group of services this may be what's happening?
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 19, 2023 11:58:38 GMT 1
Could it not be potentially going on the existing 181/185 registration as that would make more sense. The same happened years ago with the Calder Valley services. They had one registration per service and they were merged. Obviously now the 184 is run by one depot and is in a group of services this may be what's happening? Good point I'm still a little bit concerned since surely the registration for the merge would also be updated at the same time?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 12:11:10 GMT 1
Could it not be potentially going on the existing 181/185 registration as that would make more sense. The same happened years ago with the Calder Valley services. They had one registration per service and they were merged. Obviously now the 184 is run by one depot and is in a group of services this may be what's happening? Good point I'm still a little bit concerned since surely the registration for the merge would also be updated at the same time? If it's a merge it might take longer to appear due to the new rules in Greater Manchester (as they've taken over the control of service registrations for the area) meaning cancellations require more notice & will appear sooner even if it's just doing clean up of registrations. The other option I had thought was possibly TFGM wasn't impressed about how First merged a local route with a cross boundary service then moved it outside the county so they could try and keep part of the Oldham network so denied them a licence to operate the 184 into GM?
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Post by deerfold on Sept 19, 2023 12:21:33 GMT 1
Could it not be potentially going on the existing 181/185 registration as that would make more sense. The same happened years ago with the Calder Valley services. They had one registration per service and they were merged. Obviously now the 184 is run by one depot and is in a group of services this may be what's happening? Good point I'm still a little bit concerned since surely the registration for the merge would also be updated at the same time? Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not.
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Post by leedsbusman on Sept 19, 2023 12:38:52 GMT 1
Good point I'm still a little bit concerned since surely the registration for the merge would also be updated at the same time? If it's a merge it might take longer to appear due to the new rules in Greater Manchester (as they've taken over the control of service registrations for the area) meaning cancellations require more notice & will appear sooner even if it's just doing clean up of registrations. The other option I had thought was possibly TFGM wasn't impressed about how First merged a local route with a cross boundary service then moved it outside the county so they could try and keep part of the Oldham network so denied them a licence to operate the 184 into GM? They have no power to do that. Yet.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 19, 2023 12:47:47 GMT 1
If it's a merge it might take longer to appear due to the new rules in Greater Manchester (as they've taken over the control of service registrations for the area) meaning cancellations require more notice & will appear sooner even if it's just doing clean up of registrations. The other option I had thought was possibly TFGM wasn't impressed about how First merged a local route with a cross boundary service then moved it outside the county so they could try and keep part of the Oldham network so denied them a licence to operate the 184 into GM? Didn't they unmerge the route from a local route? All the 84s used to be 184s, too. They have no power to do that. Yet. That comes in in March 2024. Whilst I don't think GMPTE want to pay much for it, they're keen enough on having the cross border service to pay for a late trip on it to Marsden. I doubt they'd want to disadvantage people by deliberately getting rid if it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 12:57:34 GMT 1
If it's a merge it might take longer to appear due to the new rules in Greater Manchester (as they've taken over the control of service registrations for the area) meaning cancellations require more notice & will appear sooner even if it's just doing clean up of registrations. The other option I had thought was possibly TFGM wasn't impressed about how First merged a local route with a cross boundary service then moved it outside the county so they could try and keep part of the Oldham network so denied them a licence to operate the 184 into GM? They have no power to do that. Yet. I'm assuming you mean over the licences for cross boundry areas? Each area gains that power as they roll out the franchising & as Oldham is part of the next area for March 2024 I'd assuming they will be starting discussions with operators over cross boundry routes and giving out early indications over what routes will get approved/denied. If it's a merge it might take longer to appear due to the new rules in Greater Manchester (as they've taken over the control of service registrations for the area) meaning cancellations require more notice & will appear sooner even if it's just doing clean up of registrations. The other option I had thought was possibly TFGM wasn't impressed about how First merged a local route with a cross boundary service then moved it outside the county so they could try and keep part of the Oldham network so denied them a licence to operate the 184 into GM? Didn't they unmerge the route from a local route? All the 84s used to be 184s, too. I Was meaning what was basically merging route 80 & 184 during 2021, with 184 going around Greenacres whilst the bit of the 80 route between Lees & Holt Estate being binned.
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 19, 2023 13:30:31 GMT 1
I had a peek at older registrations from FGM. The 184 was attached to the 84. The 184 was never registered as cancelled under FGM when it transitioned over to FWY. It simply vanished from the registration. If a route can transfer to a different region and new registration without flagging up as a cancellation surely moving the 184 with the existing 180 registrations would be a piece of cake?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 13:54:57 GMT 1
I had a peek at older registrations from FGM. The 184 was attached to the 84. The 184 was never registered as cancelled under FGM when it transitioned over to FWY. It simply vanished from the registration. If a route can transfer to a different region and new registration without flagging up as a cancellation surely moving the 184 with the existing 180 registrations would be a piece of cake? The reason why the 184 was never 'cancelled' on the FGM Licence was because of it sharing a registration with the 84/180, so all that was needed was an amendment to the Licence to remove the 184 number & send in the new timetable of 84/180. As the 184 is now on it's own registration with FWY it would need a full cancellation to move over to the 181/5 one as there is no other route that will be continuing to use the current 184 registration.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 15:47:59 GMT 1
PB1003659/72 Registered HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD Route: Aberford, Turning Circle to Leeds, Infirmary Street Service number: 64 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 29 Oct 2023
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Post by SF07 on Sept 19, 2023 19:41:51 GMT 1
The 184 is now registered as withdrawn Edit: Another route or change has not been registered as a replacement for the late journeys. We're edging closer and closer to Stoke, leaving the last bus for all of the Colne Valley at 8pm The change is scheduled for December 2023, rather than October 2023. www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/615482/Transdev or Stagecoach Manchester might take it on so many runs a day every 2 hours I don't believe Stagecoach would ever be taking it on. Their presence in Oldham will be under the control of TFGM; who don't appear to be running any cross-border routes. The Bee Network will be running some cross-county services, but only those that are currently running from existing depots in Greater Manchester. So, they will be running the 362 between Wigan and Chorley from Sunday (24 September), as the service was run by Arriva from its Bolton depot (Bee Network will run it from the Wigan depot). They should also take over the 100 to/from Warrington next year and the 237/341 to/from Glossop and 358 to/from Hayfield from 2025. The 184 was originally planned to be run by Bee Network from Oldham depot in March 2024 until First switched it to Huddersfield depot in April this year. There is a GMCA committee meeting scheduled for next Thursday, which could mention any future bus changes, so there may be some info to any potential changes to Huddersfield-Oldham services soon, particularly as Greenacres would need a replacement service in Oldham. democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=442&MId=5354I'd be surprised to see it withdrawn, as it's a popular route with shoppers and students travelling to University of Huddersfield or Greenhead College. I think the likeliest options are switching the 184 back to Oldham depot or (more likely) the registration merged with the 181/182/185/186 registration. Would also hope that the route is returned to its more direct route in West Yorkshire along the A62 rather than running via Hard End and Linthwaite.
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Post by michael1971 on Sept 22, 2023 10:56:13 GMT 1
The 184 is now registered as withdrawn Edit: Another route or change has not been registered as a replacement for the late journeys. We're edging closer and closer to Stoke, leaving the last bus for all of the Colne Valley at 8pm The change is scheduled for December 2023, rather than October 2023. www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/615482/I don't believe Stagecoach would ever be taking it on. Their presence in Oldham will be under the control of TFGM; who don't appear to be running any cross-border routes. The Bee Network will be running some cross-county services, but only those that are currently running from existing depots in Greater Manchester. So, they will be running the 362 between Wigan and Chorley from Sunday (24 September), as the service was run by Arriva from its Bolton depot (Bee Network will run it from the Wigan depot). They should also take over the 100 to/from Warrington next year and the 237/341 to/from Glossop and 358 to/from Hayfield from 2025. The 184 was originally planned to be run by Bee Network from Oldham depot in March 2024 until First switched it to Huddersfield depot in April this year. There is a GMCA committee meeting scheduled for next Thursday, which could mention any future bus changes, so there may be some info to any potential changes to Huddersfield-Oldham services soon, particularly as Greenacres would need a replacement service in Oldham. democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=442&MId=5354I'd be surprised to see it withdrawn, as it's a popular route with shoppers and students travelling to University of Huddersfield or Greenhead College. I think the likeliest options are switching the 184 back to Oldham depot or (more likely) the registration merged with the 181/182/185/186 registration. Would also hope that the route is returned to its more direct route in West Yorkshire along the A62 rather than running via Hard End and Linthwaite. i hope it does go back to Oldham and back to direct route the other sunday i was waiting for the 12.32 out of Huddersfiled this was 25 mins late due to it been on a Holme valley service which was running late
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 23:24:48 GMT 1
Route 51, Between Norton and Doncaster, has a route and timetable change for 29th October.
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 25, 2023 17:32:36 GMT 1
X99/X98 has had growth by almost 1/4... It makes me wonder as to why sky class was removed when the route was on a positive trajectory? Nice to hear though but it seems backwards to remove those vehicles despite being successful
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Post by delenn on Sept 25, 2023 19:00:59 GMT 1
Seems like a bonkers decision to remove the nice buses from a route with that much growth. Could kill the growth stone dead. I'd love to see the reasoning behind the decision.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 19:53:59 GMT 1
Seems like a bonkers decision to remove the nice buses from a route with that much growth. Could kill the growth stone dead. I'd love to see the reasoning behind the decision. As First gave up the routes it's easy to guess that they wasn't covering costs but the key thing is we don't know how much they was loosing so whilst passenger numbers growing by almost 1/4 is a positive it might not be enough to make the routes profitable enough to warrant the expensive newer buses & cover the depreciation costs.
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