Transdev Fare Increases 2023

[deerfold]

With my ticket today I got a notification that from May 14 a KDay is going from £5 to £5.7⁰ (14% increase) and a KCard Extra weekly to £27 (12.5% increase). It suggests looking online for more information but there doesn't seem to be anything there yet. There's no indication how app prices will change - I currently buy KDays in bulk for £3.90 each.

[sharksmith]

www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/2023fares-keighley

Day Tripper up to £14 now, didn't it start off at £9.

Doesn't feel such good value anymore but I suppose you can still get from York/Ripon to Manchester/Preston for £14. That said ever increasing prices for day tickets the greater the geographical area is a bit of a bugbear of mine. Essentially the bus companies are charging a single price for bus seat for about 16 hours. I could take that seat up for the full sixteen hours shuttling between Keighley and Bracken Bank for £3.80, or Skipton and Leeds for £5.70 or from York to Manchester for £14.00. Each days travel would be using exactly the same resources, i.e. one seat for 16 hours so why the huge discrepancy in prices. It's not like a taxi where the driver has to provide additional fuel the further you go, these are all scheduled services which will run anyway, whether the seat is empty or not.

[WYBS]

May 1, 2023 15:35:03 GMT 1 sharksmith said:

www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/2023fares-keighley

Day Tripper up to £14 now, didn't it start off at £9.

Doesn't feel such good value anymore but I suppose you can still get from York/Ripon to Manchester/Preston for £14. That said ever increasing prices for day tickets the greater the geographical area is a bit of a bugbear of mine. Essentially the bus companies are charging a single price for bus seat for about 16 hours. I could take that seat up for the full sixteen hours shuttling between Keighley and Bracken Bank for £3.80, or Skipton and Leeds for £5.70 or from York to Manchester for £14.00. Each days travel would be using exactly the same resources, i.e. one seat for 16 hours so why the huge discrepancy in prices. It's not like a taxi where the driver has to provide additional fuel the further you go, these are all scheduled services which will run anyway, whether the seat is empty or not.

14 squid! I was planning on a Transdev trip soon utilising a day tripper but I don't think I can justify paying that much anymore. The last time I bought one it was a tenner; which I think was fairly priced.

[northerner]

May 1, 2023 20:26:00 GMT 1 WYBS said:

May 1, 2023 15:35:03 GMT 1 sharksmith said:

www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/2023fares-keighley

Day Tripper up to £14 now, didn't it start off at £9.

Doesn't feel such good value anymore but I suppose you can still get from York/Ripon to Manchester/Preston for £14. That said ever increasing prices for day tickets the greater the geographical area is a bit of a bugbear of mine. Essentially the bus companies are charging a single price for bus seat for about 16 hours. I could take that seat up for the full sixteen hours shuttling between Keighley and Bracken Bank for £3.80, or Skipton and Leeds for £5.70 or from York to Manchester for £14.00. Each days travel would be using exactly the same resources, i.e. one seat for 16 hours so why the huge discrepancy in prices. It's not like a taxi where the driver has to provide additional fuel the further you go, these are all scheduled services which will run anyway, whether the seat is empty or not.

14 squid! I was planning on a Transdev trip soon utilising a day tripper but I don't think I can justify paying that much anymore. The last time I bought one it was a tenner; which I think was fairly priced.

You could attempt to use the 662 as that's almost certainly guaranteed to get you a free days ticket if you contact them. I've accumulated 3 over the past few months due to the unreliability and appalling behaviour of certain drivers.

[deerfold]

May 1, 2023 15:35:03 GMT 1 sharksmith said:

www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/2023fares-keighley

Day Tripper up to £14 now, didn't it start off at £9.

Doesn't feel such good value anymore but I suppose you can still get from York/Ripon to Manchester/Preston for £14.

Though only to/from York on the 22/23.

May 1, 2023 15:35:03 GMT 1 sharksmith said:

www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/2023fares-keighley

I could take that seat up for the full sixteen hours shuttling between Keighley and Bracken Bank for £3.80

A Zone Day is only £2.60 on the app if you buy a few at a time. Annoying that they make no reference to app price changes. If it's not still cheaper on the app that's an increase of over 46% on my most common ticket.

[westyorkshirebus]

Of course there are only certain trips where the DayTripper is a viable option, mostly involving using Coastliner, or travelling across the Pennines. If you are staying in Yorkshire or Lancashire there are cheaper Transdev tickets, then there is the DaySaver in WestYorks, and the permanent £2 fare.

And currently due to the temporary national £2 fare you’d have to travel on more than 7 buses

[stevieinselby]

May 1, 2023 15:35:03 GMT 1 sharksmith said:

www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/2023fares-keighley

Day Tripper up to £14 now, didn't it start off at £9.

Doesn't feel such good value anymore but I suppose you can still get from York/Ripon to Manchester/Preston for £14. That said ever increasing prices for day tickets the greater the geographical area is a bit of a bugbear of mine. Essentially the bus companies are charging a single price for bus seat for about 16 hours. I could take that seat up for the full sixteen hours shuttling between Keighley and Bracken Bank for £3.80, or Skipton and Leeds for £5.70 or from York to Manchester for £14.00. Each days travel would be using exactly the same resources, i.e. one seat for 16 hours so why the huge discrepancy in prices. It's not like a taxi where the driver has to provide additional fuel the further you go, these are all scheduled services which will run anyway, whether the seat is empty or not.

Yes, you could spend all day going backwards and forwards between Keighley and Bracken Bank, but in practice very, very few people would do that – most people will be making a small number of short journeys, and so £3.80 is a fair price for what the average person wanting to buy that ticket will do during the day. Bus companies are not going to set fares and tickets based on the 0.1% of passengers who want to spend the day gricing and ignore the 99.9% of passengers who are just going about their daily business.

[deerfold]

May 2, 2023 18:15:23 GMT 1 westyorkshirebus said:

Of course there are only certain trips where the DayTripper is a viable option, mostly involving using Coastliner, or travelling across the Pennines. If you are staying in Yorkshire or Lancashire there are cheaper Transdev tickets, then there is the DaySaver in WestYorks, and the permanent £2 fare.

And currently due to the temporary national £2 fare you’d have to travel on more than 7 buses

If you want to use Coastliner you'll need a Daytripper Plus, currently £19.

[deerfold]

May 2, 2023 18:15:23 GMT 1 westyorkshirebus said:

Of course there are only certain trips where the DayTripper is a viable option, mostly involving using Coastliner, or travelling across the Pennines. If you are staying in Yorkshire or Lancashire there are cheaper Transdev tickets, then there is the DaySaver in WestYorks, and the permanent £2 fare.

And currently due to the temporary national £2 fare you’d have to travel on more than 7 buses

And the KDay Extra replacement will cover all Transdev's routes in West Yorkshire and a few that just poke out a bit.

[sharksmith]

May 2, 2023 19:30:47 GMT 1 stevieinselby said:

May 1, 2023 15:35:03 GMT 1 sharksmith said:

www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/2023fares-keighley

Day Tripper up to £14 now, didn't it start off at £9.

Doesn't feel such good value anymore but I suppose you can still get from York/Ripon to Manchester/Preston for £14. That said ever increasing prices for day tickets the greater the geographical area is a bit of a bugbear of mine. Essentially the bus companies are charging a single price for bus seat for about 16 hours. I could take that seat up for the full sixteen hours shuttling between Keighley and Bracken Bank for £3.80, or Skipton and Leeds for £5.70 or from York to Manchester for £14.00. Each days travel would be using exactly the same resources, i.e. one seat for 16 hours so why the huge discrepancy in prices. It's not like a taxi where the driver has to provide additional fuel the further you go, these are all scheduled services which will run anyway, whether the seat is empty or not.

Yes, you could spend all day going backwards and forwards between Keighley and Bracken Bank, but in practice very, very few people would do that – most people will be making a small number of short journeys, and so £3.80 is a fair price for what the average person wanting to buy that ticket will do during the day. Bus companies are not going to set fares and tickets based on the 0.1% of passengers who want to spend the day gricing and ignore the 99.9% of passengers who are just going about their daily business.

But that's exactly what they have done, if I wanted to commute to work from Shipley to Leeds I would now need to buy the whole West Yorkshire ticket instead of the much cheaper K-Day, although obviously I'd get the much cheaper Metro version.

First are the same, removed the First Bradford ticket so if I want to go to Bradford it would now be a more expensive whole West Yorkshire ticket. At least First priced theirs more appropriately.

As for the Day Tripper, that must surely also account for 0.1% of their overall sales so why not keep it at a more reasonable price point to try and encourage greater use of the network they have created.

I can see the point of cheap very local tickets but the larger the zone it just seems unnecessary. These latest changes seem squarely aimed at the Keighley to Skipton travellers wrapped up in a load of other superficial changes.

And no, before I get dragged into the old boring argument again, Transdev are not the only company guilty of this kind of thing.

[Burnside]

May 2, 2023 20:33:25 GMT 1 sharksmith said:

May 2, 2023 19:30:47 GMT 1 stevieinselby said:

Yes, you could spend all day going backwards and forwards between Keighley and Bracken Bank, but in practice very, very few people would do that – most people will be making a small number of short journeys, and so £3.80 is a fair price for what the average person wanting to buy that ticket will do during the day. Bus companies are not going to set fares and tickets based on the 0.1% of passengers who want to spend the day gricing and ignore the 99.9% of passengers who are just going about their daily business.

But that's exactly what they have done, if I wanted to commute to work from Shipley to Leeds I would now need to buy the whole West Yorkshire ticket instead of the much cheaper K-Day, although obviously I'd get the much cheaper Metro version.

First are the same, removed the First Bradford ticket so if I want to go to Bradford it would now be a more expensive whole West Yorkshire ticket. At least First priced theirs more appropriately.

As for the Day Tripper, that must surely also account for 0.1% of their overall sales so why not keep it at a more reasonable price point to try and encourage greater use of the network they have created.

I can see the point of cheap very local tickets but the larger the zone it just seems unnecessary. These latest changes seem squarely aimed at the Keighley to Skipton travellers wrapped up in a load of other superficial changes.

And no, before I get dragged into the old boring argument again, Transdev are not the only company guilty of this kind of thing.

BIB - Am I missing something? Last I checked the West Yorkshire Daysaver is already cheaper than the K-Day.

[deerfold]

May 2, 2023 23:55:00 GMT 1 Burnside said:

May 2, 2023 20:33:25 GMT 1 sharksmith said:

But that's exactly what they have done, if I wanted to commute to work from Shipley to Leeds I would now need to buy the whole West Yorkshire ticket instead of the much cheaper K-Day, although obviously I'd get the much cheaper Metro version.

First are the same, removed the First Bradford ticket so if I want to go to Bradford it would now be a more expensive whole West Yorkshire ticket. At least First priced theirs more appropriately.

As for the Day Tripper, that must surely also account for 0.1% of their overall sales so why not keep it at a more reasonable price point to try and encourage greater use of the network they have created.

I can see the point of cheap very local tickets but the larger the zone it just seems unnecessary. These latest changes seem squarely aimed at the Keighley to Skipton travellers wrapped up in a load of other superficial changes.

And no, before I get dragged into the old boring argument again, Transdev are not the only company guilty of this kind of thing.

BIB - Am I missing something? Last I checked the West Yorkshire Daysaver is already cheaper than the K-Day.

It's been cheaper since it was reduced from £6.50 to £4.50. At the same time the KDay went from being £5 peak / £4.50 off-peak to £5 at all times and was extended to include all Team Pennine routes, including to Rochdale.

However, currently, if you buy packs of 10, a KDay is £3.90, so I often use one rather than the Metro ticket. There's no indication how this will change. At the moment I'd expect anyone commuting sporadically between Shipley and Leeds to buy a batch of KDays.

The Day Tripper is not massively more than the day tickets in the other areas that Transdev operates, but there's a huge jump compared to the other tickets in West Yorkshire.

A Transdev Lancashire ticket is £7.50 whilst £5 will only buy you a local town ticket . in Harrogate there's no ticket between the town ticket at £5 and the Daytripper. Coastliner have a variety of expensive day tickets covering just part of their routes, many £9, with Thornton-Le-Dale to Malton and Scarborough being £13.

[Burnside]

Ah, that explains it. 👍

[westyorkshirebus]

I think DayTripper has to be priced high so it’s at least as expensive as a normally priced long distance return on Coastliner.

You couldn’t have a York to Scarborough return costing say £15 but a DayTripper being £10

In regards to other cheap deals such as bundles of tickets on the app, I think once the Mayors Fares came in it was obvious stuff like this would be discontinued.

[deerfold]

May 3, 2023 18:21:51 GMT 1 westyorkshirebus said:

I think DayTripper has to be priced high so it’s at least as expensive as a normally priced long distance return on Coastliner.

You couldn’t have a York to Scarborough return costing say £15 but a DayTripper being £10

In regards to other cheap deals such as bundles of tickets on the app, I think once the Mayors Fares came in it was obvious stuff like this would be discontinued.

I'll repeat the point I made in my earlier post. DayTrippers aren't valid on Coastliner - you need a DayTripperPlus to use Coastliner.

[lucyp]

Do they actually offer these rip-off DayTripper tickets under the current £2 regime? The Harrogate website still refers to CityZap. That is how out of date it is!

A DTPlus is shown at £19. Is that still the price? Surely you would just pay £2 per journey outside West Yorkshire and the maximum of £4.50 per day within WY. I don't think it takes 8 buses outside of West Yorkshire (£8), plus WY (£4.50) (total £20.50) to get from as far West as Transdev go to get to as far East as they go to see better value from a DTPlus.

You would run out of time anyway. It's nearly 3 hours from Leeds to Scarborough alone.

[deerfold]

May 3, 2023 23:17:05 GMT 1 lucyp said:

Do they actually offer these rip-off DayTripper tickets under the current £2 regime? The Harrogate website still refers to CityZap. That is how out of date it is!

A DTPlus is shown at £19. Is that still the price? Surely you would just pay £2 per journey outside West Yorkshire and the maximum of £4.50 per day within WY. I don't think it takes 8 buses outside of West Yorkshire (£8), plus WY (£4.50) (total £20.50) to get from as far West as Transdev go to get to as far East as they go to see better value from a DTPlus.

You would run out of time anyway. It's nearly 3 hours from Leeds to Scarborough alone.

Like most companies, Transdev hasn't changed the prices of tickets other than singles whilst the £2 offer is on. No-one is forcing you to buy them.

If you buy bundles, the price comes down fast - Ten Daytripperpluses are currently £85 -i used to buy these for occasional trips to Manchester, but currently it'd cost £8 a trip in singles.