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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 13:14:28 GMT 1
To be fair,the Colne Valley reductions only puts them in line with the majority of the Huddersfield network having an hourly service on an evening,so I wouldn't say it's the worst thing.
I'm guessing despite it looking like it carries ok loads towards Marsden,with it being less than pre-2020 there isn't enough to also cover the almost empty runs back into Huddersfield.
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Post by martinsfp on Mar 14, 2023 14:03:14 GMT 1
It’s wild to me that key links through Farsley as well any evening and Sunday service through East End Park at all is being erased without any replacement of any form. I realise the realities that drive these changes, but you don’t get people on the bus if there aren’t any buses. It just slowly kills the whole network.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 14, 2023 14:26:55 GMT 1
I Don't see how any guarantee can be given about a sharp decline. All that's happened really is the 183 has been absorbed into the 184, there's still the same number of buses P/H serving Cowlersley, Linthwaite, Slawit, Wilberlee, and Marsden during the day. The evening's and Sunday service's that have been adjusted weren't that well used anyway, hence the cuts. If anything the "new"184 service should be applauded as it now gives people who reside at the top of Cowlersley, Broad Oak, Linthwaite Church etc, the ability to travel to Saddleworth and Oldham without having to take a Longish walk to the A62 Manchester Road to catch the existing 184 service. Let's not be too pessimistic, until this new timetable start's. Only then can we judge. Oldham is very bleak. I don’t think it is worth leaving a good chunk of the valley without a night service to create a link nobody is realistically going to use. If they can’t be bothered to provide a full bus service, they may as well pass the full colne valleys to another operator. Any other company would be beyond grateful to run routes so popular. At one time, maybe. Who'd want Huddersfield, now?
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 14, 2023 17:56:15 GMT 1
Oldham is very bleak. I don’t think it is worth leaving a good chunk of the valley without a night service to create a link nobody is realistically going to use. If they can’t be bothered to provide a full bus service, they may as well pass the full colne valleys to another operator. Any other company would be beyond grateful to run routes so popular. At one time, maybe. Who'd want Huddersfield, now? transdev might?
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Post by deerfold on Mar 14, 2023 18:00:44 GMT 1
At one time, maybe. Who'd want Huddersfield, now? transdev might? I think they've enough on, trying to turn Team Pennine around.
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 14, 2023 18:02:29 GMT 1
Weren’t go ahead supposed to be buying Halifax and Huddersfield at one point?
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Post by WYBS on Mar 14, 2023 18:04:30 GMT 1
Weren’t go ahead supposed to be buying Halifax and Huddersfield at one point? I've never heard that before, but if they can't make Gateshead/ Newcastle work at the moment: they'd surely have no chance in somewhere like Huddersfield/ Halifax
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 14, 2023 18:06:13 GMT 1
Weren’t go ahead supposed to be buying Halifax and Huddersfield at one point? I've never heard that before, but if they can't make Gateshead/ Newcastle work at the moment: they'd surely have no chance in somewhere like Huddersfield/ Halifax The black prince page on Facebook mentioned it a couple of years ago a deal was on the table but apparently go ahead pulled out at the 11th hour
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Post by WYBS on Mar 14, 2023 18:07:57 GMT 1
I've never heard that before, but if they can't make Gateshead/ Newcastle work at the moment: they'd surely have no chance in somewhere like Huddersfield/ Halifax The black prince page on Facebook mentioned it a couple of years ago a deal was on the table but apparently go ahead pulled out at the 11th hour Fair enough. Was this pre-covid?
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 14, 2023 18:09:05 GMT 1
The black prince page on Facebook mentioned it a couple of years ago a deal was on the table but apparently go ahead pulled out at the 11th hour Fair enough. Was this pre-covid? [br Yeah around that time obviously covid changed things
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 18:09:07 GMT 1
At one time, maybe. Who'd want Huddersfield, now? transdev might? Doubt Transdev would get it passed the competition authorities due to the Team Pennine ops
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 14, 2023 18:11:09 GMT 1
Doubt Transdev would get it passed the competition authorities due to the Team Pennine ops that’s true but then again they got Blackburn and they more or less have a monopoly over Burnley
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 18:12:59 GMT 1
I've never heard that before, but if they can't make Gateshead/ Newcastle work at the moment: they'd surely have no chance in somewhere like Huddersfield/ Halifax The black prince page on Facebook mentioned it a couple of years ago a deal was on the table but apparently go ahead pulled out at the 11th hour Was this the same rumour reported elsewhere that Go Ahead had bought Oldham/Halifax/Huddersfield (I'd assume Todmorden as well) as a package around the same time they sold Bolton to Diamond,but pulled out due to issues surrounding Oldham depot (expensive roof repair needed long term but listed building so complicates things)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 18:16:10 GMT 1
Doubt Transdev would get it passed the competition authorities due to the Team Pennine ops that’s true but then again they got Blackburn and they more or less have a monopoly over Burnley But that's because at the time they took over the various ops that make up the company today,there was still a number of independent operators that provided competition around the 2 towns.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 14, 2023 18:28:43 GMT 1
Did the rumour have any truth behind it or was it written by a fantasist who believes anything?
It’s funny that we still seem to be in a world where Transdev are seen as the saviour, despite the fact they are also cutting services all over the place.
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 14, 2023 18:32:47 GMT 1
Did the rumour have any truth behind it or was it written by a fantasist who believes anything? It’s funny that we still seem to be in a world where Transdev are seen as the saviour, despite the fact they are also cutting services all over the place. not just transdev many operators are cutting services far and wide times are changing I guess
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 18:36:44 GMT 1
Did the rumour have any truth behind it or was it written by a fantasist who believes anything? It’s funny that we still seem to be in a world where Transdev are seen as the saviour, despite the fact they are also cutting services all over the place. The rumour I heard at the time turned out to be at least half true,as it included Bolton to Diamond & Oldham/Hudds/Halifax to Go Ahead,but Go Ahead pulled out last minute due to roof issues (First went on to do a temporary fix,leaving the proper repair to TfGM when they take over the depot with franchising)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 14, 2023 18:40:22 GMT 1
But what has Halifax and Huddersfield got to do with Oldham?
It sounds like one of those basic rumours that come around whenever First may have sold a depot, people line up other depots which might be sold, hence it’s always Halifax and Huddersfield around here
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 14, 2023 18:42:56 GMT 1
Doubt Transdev would get it passed the competition authorities due to the Team Pennine ops I can't imagine that they would give two hoots. There are numerous examples up and down the country of areas where one bus company has an effective monopoly in a particular town, city or area. Unless there's any evidence of them being involved in harmful anti-competitive practices, it won't even be on their radar.
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 14, 2023 18:46:26 GMT 1
Doubt Transdev would get it passed the competition authorities due to the Team Pennine ops I can't imagine that they would give two hoots. There are numerous examples up and down the country of areas where one bus company has an effective monopoly in a particular town, city or area. Unless there's any evidence of them being involved in harmful anti-competitive practices, it won't even be on their radar. Let’s be honest there’s been loads of competitive practices when a new operator is in town such as black prince v rider transdev v connexions and quite nortoriously uk north
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Post by Username on Mar 14, 2023 18:52:26 GMT 1
Weren’t go ahead supposed to be buying Halifax and Huddersfield at one point? I've never heard that before, but if they can't make Gateshead/ Newcastle work at the moment: they'd surely have no chance in somewhere like Huddersfield/ Halifax Go Ahead is one of the big five. Go North East is a branch of theirs. That's like saying Arriva won't be able to run well in Merseyside just because their Cannock operations shut.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 18:53:40 GMT 1
But what has Halifax and Huddersfield got to do with Oldham? It sounds like one of those basic rumours that come around whenever First may have sold a depot, people line up other depots which might be sold, hence it’s always Halifax and Huddersfield around here I'd tend to agree with you,although I do believe they tried to sell Oldham (with or without the Yorkshire depots) & the rumour was correct on that part. Doubt Transdev would get it passed the competition authorities due to the Team Pennine ops I can't imagine that they would give two hoots. There are numerous examples up and down the country of areas where one bus company has an effective monopoly in a particular town, city or area. Unless there's any evidence of them being involved in harmful anti-competitive practices, it won't even be on their radar. Is there any examples where a monopoly was created via a sale rather than the competition closing (e.g like recently in Bournemouth or Southampton),as the closest example I can think of is Rosso,but Transdev probably got that passed because it didn't include the Haslingden depot and there still being other operators in Greater Manchester. Stagecoach got told to sell the Preston bus ops,Arriva had to sell one of their Liverpool depots (Gilmoss),all other monopolies that I can recall date further back than the current operators.
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Post by Username on Mar 14, 2023 19:06:27 GMT 1
Weren’t go ahead supposed to be buying Halifax and Huddersfield at one point? I've heard something about that and Dewsbury depot wanting to sell their operations, however who knows it might have been started up by someone who knows nothing.
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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 14, 2023 19:36:39 GMT 1
But what has Halifax and Huddersfield got to do with Oldham? It sounds like one of those basic rumours that come around whenever First may have sold a depot, people line up other depots which might be sold, hence it’s always Halifax and Huddersfield around here I'd tend to agree with you,although I do believe they tried to sell Oldham (with or without the Yorkshire depots) & the rumour was correct on that part. I can't imagine that they would give two hoots. There are numerous examples up and down the country of areas where one bus company has an effective monopoly in a particular town, city or area. Unless there's any evidence of them being involved in harmful anti-competitive practices, it won't even be on their radar. Is there any examples where a monopoly was created via a sale rather than the competition closing (e.g like recently in Bournemouth or Southampton),as the closest example I can think of is Rosso,but Transdev probably got that passed because it didn't include the Haslingden depot and there still being other operators in Greater Manchester. Stagecoach got told to sell the Preston bus ops,Arriva had to sell one of their Liverpool depots (Gilmoss),all other monopolies that I can recall date further back than the current operators. stagecoach we’re told to sell huntingdon and Milton Keynes years back but in the end it was discovered huntingdon didn’t need selling after all
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Post by rwilkes on Mar 14, 2023 21:16:12 GMT 1
Oldham will be under franchising soon so no-one will be interested see latest buses for pessimistic article about franchising by Julian Peddle
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