Interesting Core Bus Network for Calderdale Draft

[Username]

Here is a draft for the Calderdale Core Bus Network shown on the your voice website for WYCA @:

The Website info for this is at: 

www.yourvoice.westyorks-ca.gov.uk/networknav?tool=qanda

The draft map can be seen at:

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What are your thoughts? 

[WYBS]

Apart from showing the 576 as the 502, it's alright.

[Father Dougal McGuire]

Looks alright but I think they should have kept the original colours as there would be two orange lines.. Calder Line & Zest. Also why is the 576 (wrongly labelled 502) called the Shibden VALLEY line... should that not be the 681 as it goes through Shibden. I know it's a draft but still.

[576 Gemini 2]

576 should be the Queensbury Line.

[Username]

I sought have thought that maybe it should be linked with the 22 to form the Boothtown Line but Queensbury Line sounds better.

[deerfold]

It's really not clear what this map is trying to be. There's a lot of routes that are currently nowhere near every 15 minutes and unlikely to be in the foreseeable future.

Some, but not all, of these are dashed lines, but why have the almost hourly 561/2, but not the 900/1, not the 574.

The 20 goes to Rye Lane, Fountainhead is the other side of the Mixenden Line.

[moorside]

The map shows the 681 sticking to the main road through Northowram, same as the 508. Also, if it's supposed to be a Calderdale map, surely it should show more routes through Brighouse, e.g. the 363. I'm also not sure why the hourly 255 gets included as the Cleckheaton line, but the 537 is missed out, as is the 571 with which the 255 currently interworks. Some of the geographical errors are a bit worrying, e.g. calling the 576 (labelled 502) the Shibden Valley Line in just plain wrong, as has been mentioned.

[joseph]

I find the blue maps a lot easier to understand rather than all these different colors and so called less frequent services having plain lines. It'll all end up like the Leeds network, totally confusing with some very strange decisions like the 74 linked in with the 12/13 under Middleton line even though the majority of the 74 runs quite a bit away from the 12/13. The only common sections are Leeds to Hunslet Mecca and the bit around Middleton Asda!

[Username]

Nov 25, 2022 0:37:58 GMT 1 deerfold said:

It's really not clear what this map is trying to be. There's a lot of routes that are currently nowhere near every 15 minutes and unlikely to be in the foreseeable future.

Some, but not all, of these are dashed lines, but why have the almost hourly 561/2, but not the 900/1, not the 574.

The 20 goes to Rye Lane, Fountainhead is the other side of the Mixenden Line.

I think the reason for that is that they both operate a combined frequency of Half Hourly. What would be good is possibly to form the Ripponden Line with 561, 587 and hopefully if the driver shortages are resolved it can include 586 when if it goes back to hourly.

[Username]

Nov 25, 2022 2:23:16 GMT 1 moorside said:

The map shows the 681 sticking to the main road through Northowram, same as the 508. Also, if it's supposed to be a Calderdale map, surely it should show more routes through Brighouse, e.g. the 363. I'm also not sure why the hourly 255 gets included as the Cleckheaton line, but the 537 is missed out, as is the 571 with which the 255 currently interworks. Some of the geographical errors are a bit worrying, e.g. calling the 576 (labelled 502) the Shibden Valley Line in just plain wrong, as has been mentioned.

Do think the 255 is only included as Cleckheaton Line as it is part of that line on the Leeds Core Network Map. 

I do think that WYCA plans for the 508 and 681 services to make a combined frequency of every 15 minutes and maybe it would be easier if the 681 did not have that useless section in Northowram and ran straight up Bradford Road. Or maybe who knows the 508 can go back to every 20 minutes and maybe the 681 can go to every 20 minutes to form a frequency of every 10 minutes, but that is unlikely. If this were to become a line maybe the Shelf Line would be a good idea.

A better idea as mentioned before for the 576 should be Queensbury Line and then I think maybe they should rename the Sowerby Line to Sowerby Bridge line and include 577, 574 and 587 on it. 

The Rye Lane line and Mixenden Line should be reorganised. 
The Pellon Lane side should be renamed the Pellon Lane Line until it reaches Mixenden where it becomes the Mixenden Line. The Pellon Lane Line should include 20, 511, 512, 513 and 530 and the 20 journeys should be re-timed to work with the Mixenden routes to form 15 minute frequency along that corridor with 530 being added for a service boost.

Zest should be renamed South Halifax Line and including other routes:
343, 503, 537, 561, 562, 563 should be included.

Hipperholme Line:
Should be 255, 548 and 549 .

[Father Dougal McGuire]

Nov 25, 2022 10:04:01 GMT 1 Username said:

Nov 25, 2022 2:23:16 GMT 1 moorside said:

The map shows the 681 sticking to the main road through Northowram, same as the 508. Also, if it's supposed to be a Calderdale map, surely it should show more routes through Brighouse, e.g. the 363. I'm also not sure why the hourly 255 gets included as the Cleckheaton line, but the 537 is missed out, as is the 571 with which the 255 currently interworks. Some of the geographical errors are a bit worrying, e.g. calling the 576 (labelled 502) the Shibden Valley Line in just plain wrong, as has been mentioned.

I do think that WYCA plans for the 508 and 681 services to make a combined frequency of every 15 minutes and maybe it would be easier if the 681 did not have that useless section in Northowram and ran straight up Bradford Road. Or maybe who knows the 508 can go back to every 20 minutes and maybe the 681 can go to every 20 minutes to form a frequency of every 10 minutes, but that is unlikely. If this were to become a line maybe the Shelf Line would be a good idea.

I don't think Northowram deserves to lose its only decent regular bus service... Why not send the 508 through there as well. As it stands the 508 and 681 gets 13 minutes Halifax to Shelf yet the 681 has to go via Northowram in the same time. Yet still they find it difficult to coordinate these services. Both 681 and 508 should have exactly the same amount of time between Halifax and Odsal. Similar things can be seen on other routes, 503 and 501 on an evening, 503 used to leave Huddersfield at xx30 and the 501 at xx57 making a clean 25/35 min split. Now they both leave at xx00 and xx30 making a 38/22 min split. It is obvious this was done for a reason. I can only think the new schedulling software that operators are using (OptiBus) doesn't allow for viewing multiple routes in the time timetable as the old previous decent software (OmniBus) did. It really is such a shame to see so many routes leaving main points at random odd minutes where if it was adjusted ever so slightly it would make for a much clearer, simpler and more memorable timetable.