joseph
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Post by joseph on Nov 28, 2022 7:16:48 GMT 1
Paper tickets won't be abolished as some people do need a paper ticket to act as a reciept, I know I do when claiming expenses from social services. You've also got those who don't trust contactless cards, the government haven't got round to inventing a way for Joseph public to reach through a thiefs mobile device and break his fingers yet, plus why should I shell out for a card protection device and what happens if your card is stollen and you've not noticed for several hours or even days? Chances are bank says no you cough up!
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Post by jonny182 on Nov 28, 2022 17:55:16 GMT 1
Paper tickets won't be abolished as some people do need a paper ticket to act as a reciept, I know I do when claiming expenses from social services. You've also got those who don't trust contactless cards, the government haven't got round to inventing a way for Joseph public to reach through a thiefs mobile device and break his fingers yet, plus why should I shell out for a card protection device and what happens if your card is stollen and you've not noticed for several hours or even days? Chances are bank says no you cough up! Thanks Joseph. That is very true. My employer will only re-imburse travelling expenses if a paper ticket/receipt is submitted! Bank statements or summary statements aren't allowed for re-imbursement of travel expenses.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 28, 2022 18:01:58 GMT 1
Paper tickets won't be abolished as some people do need a paper ticket to act as a reciept, I know I do when claiming expenses from social services. You've also got those who don't trust contactless cards, the government haven't got round to inventing a way for Joseph public to reach through a thiefs mobile device and break his fingers yet, plus why should I shell out for a card protection device and what happens if your card is stollen and you've not noticed for several hours or even days? Chances are bank says no you cough up! Thanks Joseph. That is very true. My employer will only re-imburse travelling expenses if a paper ticket/receipt is submitted! Bank statements or summary statements aren't allowed for re-imbursement of travel expenses. That sounds like a problem with your employer (though West Yorkshire needs to improve its electronic receipts). I have no problem claiming rail tickets with an electronic receipt or TfL journeys with a downloaded statement from my account. I do need to get a paper Metro or Transdev ticket as all you get from their apps is a receipt for an amount - and if you buy multiple tickets at once there's no indication when they were used.
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Post by Penfold on Nov 28, 2022 18:14:17 GMT 1
Early days yet but one problem Ive noticed is that if concessions with a pass in a wallet/purse (with numerous other bank cards) dont remove their wallet/purse quickly enough, Ticketer seems to take it as a new transaction and registers it as a TOTO.
I can see Arriva Customer services being rather busy, that is provided you can contact them !
Penfold
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Post by moorside on Nov 29, 2022 0:30:25 GMT 1
If you have a flat fare across the entire network then you don't need the Tap off element (National Express have this in the West Midlands). Just a small correction: I live in the West Midlands and National Express don't quite have a uniform flat fare: almost all single adult journeys are £2.40 with a daily cap of £4, true: but there is also a "Short Hop" fare of £1.50 for journeys up to one mile; and there is also a £3 day saver ticket for journeys wholly within the Walsall area, or Sandwell & Dudley. These tickets cover quite a wide area, including surrounding small towns. But you can't pay for these tickets with contactless, they have to be bought using cash or via mobile. The Short Hop ticket especially doesn't seem to get a lot of publicity and I doubt whether many are sold, as any time I'm on a National Express bus the great majority of fare-paying passengers seem to use contactless.
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Post by jonny182 on Dec 1, 2022 23:34:37 GMT 1
Thanks Joseph. That is very true. My employer will only re-imburse travelling expenses if a paper ticket/receipt is submitted! Bank statements or summary statements aren't allowed for re-imbursement of travel expenses. That sounds like a problem with your employer (though West Yorkshire needs to improve its electronic receipts). I have no problem claiming rail tickets with an electronic receipt or TfL journeys with a downloaded statement from my account. I do need to get a paper Metro or Transdev ticket as all you get from their apps is a receipt for an amount - and if you buy multiple tickets at once there's no indication when they were used. Thanks deerfold. It probably is a problem with my employer but for a lot of private sector employers, change like this which needs to happen is slower than glaciation! Unfortunately with a lot of the private sector, loads of cutbacks have been made and no real investment in new technology and the technology there is, dates back to the 1980's as with many large international banks or financial services. I can see the requirement for paper tickets still needs to continue as not all children can carry bank cards and TITO bank cards transactions cannot tell if the passenger is entitled to concessionary/half fares.
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Post by deerfold on Dec 3, 2022 22:46:53 GMT 1
That sounds like a problem with your employer (though West Yorkshire needs to improve its electronic receipts). I have no problem claiming rail tickets with an electronic receipt or TfL journeys with a downloaded statement from my account. I do need to get a paper Metro or Transdev ticket as all you get from their apps is a receipt for an amount - and if you buy multiple tickets at once there's no indication when they were used. Thanks deerfold. It probably is a problem with my employer but for a lot of private sector employers, change like this which needs to happen is slower than glaciation! Unfortunately with a lot of the private sector, loads of cutbacks have been made and no real investment in new technology and the technology there is, dates back to the 1980's as with many large international banks or financial services. I can see the requirement for paper tickets still needs to continue as not all children can carry bank cards and TITO bank cards transactions cannot tell if the passenger is entitled to concessionary/half fares. What do you do if you catch public transport in London? There are child MCards.
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Post by jonny182 on Dec 4, 2022 23:26:53 GMT 1
Thanks deerfold. It probably is a problem with my employer but for a lot of private sector employers, change like this which needs to happen is slower than glaciation! Unfortunately with a lot of the private sector, loads of cutbacks have been made and no real investment in new technology and the technology there is, dates back to the 1980's as with many large international banks or financial services. I can see the requirement for paper tickets still needs to continue as not all children can carry bank cards and TITO bank cards transactions cannot tell if the passenger is entitled to concessionary/half fares. What do you do if you catch public transport in London? There are child MCards. We are probably going off-topic here now. London: you must apply for a child Zip photo card and buy in advance to use otherwise adult fares apply. This was also the case when I was younger when paper tickets was the norm before Oyster. Paper child day/single tickets are available at machines but I believe the day travel card child ones also require a valid photocard. Some nice gateline staff at Underground stations will let children through for free/open the gates to children accompanied by adults not from London. MCards: only come in weekly, monthly, termly or annual children fares. I believe if you need to pay for a day/single/return fares, these are unavailable on MCard as paper tickets need to be purchased. There is one single child £1.20 fare on the MCard app only but for shorter distances such as travelling for only one fare stage at 60p are not. Some MyDay tickets are available on Child MCards. Other single fares or return fares are only available on the ticket machines on the bus. Maybe I wasn't clear previously about just buying ad-hoc fares if you don't have a prepaid MCard or don't have a bank card.
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Post by deerfold on Dec 5, 2022 0:46:02 GMT 1
What do you do if you catch public transport in London? There are child MCards. We are probably going off-topic here now. London: you must apply for a child Zip photo card and buy in advance to use otherwise adult fares apply. This was also the case when I was younger when paper tickets was the norm before Oyster. Paper child day/single tickets are available at machines but I believe the day travel card child ones also require a valid photocard. Some nice gateline staff at Underground stations will let children through for free/open the gates to children accompanied by adults not from London. MCards: only come in weekly, monthly, termly or annual children fares. I believe if you need to pay for a day/single/return fares, these are unavailable on MCard as paper tickets need to be purchased. There is one single child £1.20 fare on the MCard app only but for shorter distances such as travelling for only one fare stage at 60p are not. Some MyDay tickets are available on Child MCards. Other single fares or return fares are only available on the ticket machines on the bus. Maybe I wasn't clear previously about just buying ad-hoc fares if you don't have a prepaid MCard or don't have a bank card. All children under 11 are entitled to travel free on the tube when accompanied and on buses in London whether accompanied or not - it's not employees being nice. The fact not all child fares are available on MCards can be solved by making them available on MCards rather than having to buy paper tickets.
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Post by jonny182 on Dec 7, 2022 13:57:44 GMT 1
We are probably going off-topic here now. London: you must apply for a child Zip photo card and buy in advance to use otherwise adult fares apply. This was also the case when I was younger when paper tickets was the norm before Oyster. Paper child day/single tickets are available at machines but I believe the day travel card child ones also require a valid photocard. Some nice gateline staff at Underground stations will let children through for free/open the gates to children accompanied by adults not from London. MCards: only come in weekly, monthly, termly or annual children fares. I believe if you need to pay for a day/single/return fares, these are unavailable on MCard as paper tickets need to be purchased. There is one single child £1.20 fare on the MCard app only but for shorter distances such as travelling for only one fare stage at 60p are not. Some MyDay tickets are available on Child MCards. Other single fares or return fares are only available on the ticket machines on the bus. Maybe I wasn't clear previously about just buying ad-hoc fares if you don't have a prepaid MCard or don't have a bank card. All children under 11 are entitled to travel free on the tube when accompanied and on buses in London whether accompanied or not - it's not employees being nice. The fact not all child fares are available on MCards can be solved by making them available on MCards rather than having to buy paper tickets. Thanks for clarifying deerfold.
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