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Post by deerfold on Aug 29, 2022 12:15:22 GMT 1
Tracy will be tearing her hair out! What happened to the extension of bus support grant? These will have been the ones getting axed prior the announcement the funding was been extended till March so by the time it all came about obviously they can't reverse the changes. Of course they can, if they want to.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 29, 2022 12:18:36 GMT 1
Customers need the 616/9 because Harden and Wilsden will be left with a poor service of the K4. The X84 was the only remaining fast connection between Leeds and Otley. I do think the Otley and Ilkley will be replaced by the services 62/64. The 571 could likely be replaced by Transdev at the minute, with out a doubt Transdev will be fast to jump on to that service as it connects Team Pennine with the rest of the Transdev network. The X98/9 if rumours are true Transdev will be doing SKY Class buses to Wetherby. The X84 still will be the fsst connection between Leeds and Otley. The 64 has only just withdrawn its last remaining journey between Ilkley and Otley. Team Pennine already serve Keighley (and Rochdale), so there's no gap between the rest of the Transdev Network. I'm sure Transdev would consider taking all those on, but do they have enough drivers?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 29, 2022 12:19:24 GMT 1
Tracy will be tearing her hair out! What happened to the extension of bus support grant? These will have been the ones getting axed prior the announcement the funding was been extended till March so by the time it all came about obviously they can't reverse the changes. They can reverse them and may do Bear in mind First sending a registration to Vosa, them inputting it into the system, and it then appearing on BusTimes isn’t instant, if it’s anything like passport offices and driving licences etc it probably takes weeks
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 29, 2022 12:22:34 GMT 1
Customers need the 616/9 because Harden and Wilsden will be left with a poor service of the K4. The X84 was the only remaining fast connection between Leeds and Otley. I do think the Otley and Ilkley will be replaced by the services 62/64. The 571 could likely be replaced by Transdev at the minute, with out a doubt Transdev will be fast to jump on to that service as it connects Team Pennine with the rest of the Transdev network. The X98/9 if rumours are true Transdev will be doing SKY Class buses to Wetherby. Transdev don’t run buses just to ‘connect up their network’ they have a gap between Hebden Bridge and Todmorden for a start. Nobody is going to travel on the 571 between Halifax and Bradford just to stay on a Transdev service, besides an enthusiast
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Post by selbybus on Aug 29, 2022 13:17:58 GMT 1
PB0000582/42 Cancelled ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Pontefract to Doncaster Service number: 408 (409, 407, 408, 406) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Oct 2022 PB0000582/74 Cancelled ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Doncaster to Selby Service number: 405 (405) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Oct 2022 PB0000582/292 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Norton to Doncaster Service number: 51 (51) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 03 Oct 2022 Don't supposed there's any Arriva Selby guys that know about that little lot?? This was mentioned the other day, abit like First, Arriva is keeping the October changes close their chests. We are hearing we might find out more after Wednesday but we expected like First big cuts.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Aug 29, 2022 13:46:59 GMT 1
The curtailing of the 183 to Fall Lane is strange. Why not just spin it down at Dirker for the sake of a few minutes. Would also help with coordination with the 181 and Colne Valley services in general.
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Post by pjb on Aug 29, 2022 13:58:13 GMT 1
First Bradford: 256: First journeys withdrawn (presumably re-contracted) 610: Withdrawn 611: Withdrawn 612/13/14: Timetable and route changes 615: Withdrawn 616/619: Withdrawn 630: Timetable Changes 633: Timetable Changes 671: Withdrawn 686: Timetable Changes
This is terrible. It leaves Eldwick Harden and Wilsden without buses to Bradford, and routes like the 615 help to provide evening and Sunday journeys on common sections of route like the 607 to Thornton. The 615 is after the previous cuts the last bus up Thornton road, the 607 being an hour earlier. I hope they up the evening and Sunday frequencies on routes such as the 607 to compensate for the loss of the 615/6/9. Sadly if these cuts go ahead I may have to abandon public transport as my journeys I need to make become impractical. And so the industry gets into an even more downward spiral.
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Post by mk2mcw on Aug 29, 2022 13:58:37 GMT 1
Customers need the 616/9 because Harden and Wilsden will be left with a poor service of the K4. The X84 was the only remaining fast connection between Leeds and Otley. I do think the Otley and Ilkley will be replaced by the services 62/64. The 571 could likely be replaced by Transdev at the minute, with out a doubt Transdev will be fast to jump on to that service as it connects Team Pennine with the rest of the Transdev network. The X98/9 if rumours are true Transdev will be doing SKY Class buses to Wetherby. Transdev don’t run buses just to ‘connect up their network’ they have a gap between Hebden Bridge and Todmorden for a start. Nobody is going to travel on the 571 between Halifax and Bradford just to stay on a Transdev service, besides an enthusiast Alex posted on twitter “wetherby we’re coming!” So the X98/99 are more than likely off to transdev
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Post by mk2mcw on Aug 29, 2022 14:02:18 GMT 1
Is the 86 withdrawn completely or is something or somebody else running it / taking over
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Post by mk2mcw on Aug 29, 2022 14:02:39 GMT 1
Is the 86 withdrawn completely or is something or somebody else running it / taking over what about 11/11A
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Post by mk2mcw on Aug 29, 2022 14:04:36 GMT 1
Will connexions fully take over the 64 now?
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Post by deerfold on Aug 29, 2022 14:52:16 GMT 1
I wonder if some of these withdrawals will be covered by registrations that don't show up yet - there's references to the 27A and 34 changes but they're not there yet.
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Post by peter44 on Aug 29, 2022 15:20:59 GMT 1
I wonder if some of these withdrawals will be covered by registrations that don't show up yet - there's references to the 27A and 34 changes but they're not there yet. The 27A is covered under the 27 registration and the 34 is a combined registration with the 33.
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Post by glennh2 on Aug 29, 2022 15:40:19 GMT 1
The Halifax changes will leave large parts of Rastrick and Southowram without a bus. They don't make much sense to me
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 29, 2022 16:00:08 GMT 1
Will connexions fully take over the 64 now? Unlikely – they don't run any evening or Sunday services, and make a big thing in their recruitment about the fact that drivers won't ever have to work evenings or Sundays – I can't see them changing that now.
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Post by twansport on Aug 29, 2022 16:09:18 GMT 1
Changes now on BusTimes for First First Leeds 14: Revised timetable and route (X14 withdrawn) I appreciate that this is what is written but as far as I know, the X14 has not existed for many months. I have heard rumours of the run through to the Amazon warehouse being dropped.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Aug 29, 2022 16:43:43 GMT 1
With the 571 going hopefully it will mean more buses & drivers to cover duties on the 576 as the services on that route have been suffered badly from late running & cancelled runs recently
I always been of the opinion that Eldwick would be better serve by a minibus service running between there & Bingley instead of having a through bus to Bradford. Maybe Transdev could provide a Eldwick to Bingley service to link up with the 60,622,662,680 & train services.
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Post by glennh2 on Aug 29, 2022 17:06:05 GMT 1
With the 571 going hopefully it will mean more buses & drivers to cover duties on the 576 as the services on that route have been suffered badly from late running & cancelled runs recently I always been of the opinion that Eldwick would be better serve by a minibus service running between there & Bingley instead of having a through bus to Bradford. Maybe Transdev could provide a Eldwick to Bingley service to link up with the 60,622,662,680 & train services. If the 571 goes they need to find a way to serve Stoney Lane estates, Whinney Hill and Southowram from both Halifax and Brighouse If the 548 goes there is no service round the estates at Rastrick
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Post by Burnside on Aug 29, 2022 17:39:18 GMT 1
Hopefully some of these cancellations are just quirks to do with the expected end of support funding and will not take place, or cancellations ahead of tendering or changing operator.
A total withdrawal of Bradford buses would leave Wilsden and Harden reliant on a 21 seat Sprinter every hour and along with many of the other changes, don't make sense.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 29, 2022 17:52:51 GMT 1
With the 571 going hopefully it will mean more buses & drivers to cover duties on the 576 as the services on that route have been suffered badly from late running & cancelled runs recently I always been of the opinion that Eldwick would be better serve by a minibus service running between there & Bingley instead of having a through bus to Bradford. Maybe Transdev could provide a Eldwick to Bingley service to link up with the 60,622,662,680 & train services. The problem links like that have is they're great from the low frequency to high frequency route, but rubbish the other way round where you might just miss an infrequent service.
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 29, 2022 18:32:48 GMT 1
I notice the network manager at First is the same person who was responsible for that absolutely great next stop announcement system. 'tTtHhE nNeExXtT S-S-StToOpP iS DewWwsSsBuUrRy RoOaAd'. What a company! What's that got to do with anything? There's more than 1 Network Manager in FWY btw. You seem obsessed with associating people's twitter profiles with decisions. It seems quite unhealthy & isn't a good look for the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 18:38:44 GMT 1
I Wonder if 615/6/9 would be a candidate (outside of Tfl) for the biggest drop in frequency anywhere in the country,going from a 15Min combined frequency (Bradford > Stony Lane) to nothing. The 548 Withdrawal was a surprise as well,wonder if thats now given Metro an extra headache of trying to find someone to run an extra school bus,as it sounds like the 549 won't be diverted via Rastrick High? For the Huddersfield changes,i wonder if the 183 terminating at Fall Lane is more due to the parked cars up Mount Road,i remember they used to be quiet bad when i used to visit the area 5-10 years ago & can only assume it's got worse in recent times,so First might have thought its no longer worth the hassle? With the 323 withdrawn i wonder if we might see it merged again with the Meltham service (First tried it a couple of times in the mid 00's with Daytime 321s or the short lived 325). The 308 cutback,apart from Oldfield at least the other areas with houses will keep an hourly-ish minibus service during the daytime,did many people use the 308 to get into Holmfirth with the added diversion through Thongsbridge? For the 508 I Agree with the previous post that it could partly replace the 86,although rather than going to Hunslet i could see it going direct into Leeds from Armley,with the Holbeck/Beeston/Hunslet side of the route simply being told to change buses in Leeds City Centre. Good God! I've always been quite pro-privatisation, but after reading this I'm fully for regulation. How can a bus company fail so badly in a city with no mass transit? The management aren't fit to run a bath. Absolute disgrace for the people who rely on these services. Hopefully Metro can step in and soften the blow. To be fair,in Leeds case i don't think you can make that argument too much as the cuts in Leeds are mostly to orbital routes that probably wouldn't get mass transit anyway (plus as First have proved multiple times over the years the orbital routes are low priority against the main 'core' network. Not saying its right but it seems even Metro & Brabin are onboard with this idea seen as the the new Leeds maps mostly leave the orbital routes out. It's telling this has happened when they are in the middle of doing city centre changes to remove cars,almost sending out the message to say 'use a car to get about unless you are going into the city',one way to increase the P&R numbers i guess. With these cuts one thing that would soften the blow slightly in some areas would be to start selling the combined Bus & Train Metroday on buses or at the ticket machines at unmanned stations.
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 29, 2022 18:53:23 GMT 1
How reliable is the bustimes info?
Reason I ask is you've gone from 86/87 making changes to allow school runs to full cancellation within a month.
Will we see new registrations in a few days like we sometimes do?
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Post by moorside on Aug 29, 2022 19:00:37 GMT 1
With the 571 going hopefully it will mean more buses & drivers to cover duties on the 576 as the services on that route have been suffered badly from late running & cancelled runs recently I always been of the opinion that Eldwick would be better serve by a minibus service running between there & Bingley instead of having a through bus to Bradford. Maybe Transdev could provide a Eldwick to Bingley service to link up with the 60,622,662,680 & train services. If the 571 goes they need to find a way to serve Stoney Lane estates, Whinney Hill and Southowram from both Halifax and Brighouse If the 548 goes there is no service round the estates at Rastrick Southowram still has the HX2 for a few morning and early afternoon journeys. But the bus service to Southowram has declined drastically over the years, it once had 4 buses an hour from Halifax, more at peak times, and now it's down to one an hour on the 571 plus the few HX2 journeys. There is a vicious circle of poorer services leading to less usage, leading to poorer services, leading to less usage again and on to even poorer services. Southowram residents without their own transport already face a wait of up to an hour for a bus, if they are at an event, or at work, and just miss a journey. It's a long steep walk to and from any other bus service. Wainstalls, which has been discussed a lot on here, is going to be left without any bus: but it was left with no service for months on end during lockdown. People must have found ways of coping without a bus: lifts from family or friends, shopping online, perhaps buying a car. I wonder how many previous users of the service returned when the bus service was eventually reinstated? How many people in places like Harden or Wilsden still rely on the bus, and how many have already moved on to other ways of getting around?
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 29, 2022 19:00:59 GMT 1
How reliable is the bustimes info? Reason I ask is you've gone from 86/87 making changes to allow school runs to full cancellation within a month. Will we see new registrations in a few days like we sometimes do? It's pretty reliable, it mentions on any timetable that it comes from open bus data from the DfT.
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