joseph
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Post by joseph on May 29, 2022 8:21:00 GMT 1
I recently was stunned to find the cheap day return fare from Leeds to Carlisle had been axed, instead a return fare at 60 quid was shown on the trainline website. What a massive increase compared to the old day return! The thing is I knew a day ranger for the North East covering the line between Leeds and Carlisle was cheaper, but the thing I didn't know when looking at North West rangers was one of the North West tickets covers this line for even less, I think it's something like 44 quid! Same too with Newcastle, over 60 quid for the return fare, yet one of the the NE day ranger tickets is cheaper if you just want to travel off peak, however this isn't an option when booking on line! So why aren't ranger options shown on booking websites for those wanting a flexible ticket and aren't bothered about travelling off peak, why are they forced to buy a more expensive return?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 29, 2022 8:59:52 GMT 1
I can still see a off peak day return of £33.50 on the Northern app
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Post by stevieinselby on May 29, 2022 9:23:50 GMT 1
National Rail still shows the off-peak day return from Leeds to Carlisle at £33.50.
But yes, it is frustrating that online retailers don't generally offer rangers and rovers when they are the cheapest way to make a journey.
I can understand that it may be technically more difficult (or at least, slower and more resource-intensive) to check the validity of such tickets for a particular journey, but you would have hoped that online retailing has been going for long enough now that they would have found a way to make it work.
Unless it would break the rules on impartial retailing? eg, if you ask for a ticket from A to B, then a ticket seller is required to offer you only tickets from A to B, and is not allowed to tell you that it might be cheaper to get a ticket from A to X and then a ticket from X to B. I'm not sure whether that would apply here as they would still only be selling you one ticket that is the best option for your journey, rather than a combination of tickets.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 29, 2022 9:40:40 GMT 1
I don't recommend trainline. Sometimes the wrong fare is issued. Other bookings sites are available.
The higher fare is valid on any permitted route, the day return is only valid on the direct route via Settle.
I'm sure I've seen a ranger ticket as a valid fare on some bookings site, can't remember which one.
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Post by joseph on May 29, 2022 10:25:14 GMT 1
So it seems the Trainline aren't displaying all the right fares then, if the government want people to ditch cars then they'd best start getting companies like the Trainline into shape, or better still have all on line bookings and all fares under one website. That also might explain why the Leeds to Edale day return fare doesn't exist on the Trainline, yet there is one from Wakefield. As a side note, don't tend to use Northern's website because of the ads that keep coming up, and find it slower.
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Post by kendall17 on May 29, 2022 16:08:14 GMT 1
I don't recommend trainline. Sometimes the wrong fare is issued. They've also sold tickets for journies that aren't on the timetable. |
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Post by deerfold on May 31, 2022 10:30:34 GMT 1
The trainline website shows me the correct £33.50 fare so long as I choose direct trains via Skipton.
It does charge additional fees to most retailers, though.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 31, 2022 11:36:29 GMT 1
So it seems the Trainline aren't displaying all the right fares then, if the government want people to ditch cars then they'd best start getting companies like the Trainline into shape, or better still have all on line bookings and all fares under one website. That also might explain why the Leeds to Edale day return fare doesn't exist on the Trainline, yet there is one from Wakefield. As a side note, don't tend to use Northern's website because of the ads that keep coming up, and find it slower. Not sure if there is a day return from Leeds to Edale. |
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Post by deerfold on May 31, 2022 13:21:13 GMT 1
So it seems the Trainline aren't displaying all the right fares then, if the government want people to ditch cars then they'd best start getting companies like the Trainline into shape, or better still have all on line bookings and all fares under one website. That also might explain why the Leeds to Edale day return fare doesn't exist on the Trainline, yet there is one from Wakefield. As a side note, don't tend to use Northern's website because of the ads that keep coming up, and find it slower. Not sure if there is a day return from Leeds to Edale. There isn't. |
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Post by joseph on May 31, 2022 18:55:32 GMT 1
Not sure if there is a day return from Leeds to Edale. There isn't. That's really unfair to be honest, Wakefield just 9 miles from Leeds has the day return option, yet Leeds folk are forced to pay for an open return which is a lot more expensive, unless they know to split the ticket which many don't. |
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Post by deerfold on May 31, 2022 21:43:31 GMT 1
That's really unfair to be honest, Wakefield just 9 miles from Leeds has the day return option, yet Leeds folk are forced to pay for an open return which is a lot more expensive, unless they know to split the ticket which many don't. Though from Leeds there are a limited number of Advances - if you book at the right time you can do the return for £11. There are no Advances from Wakefield. |
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Post by stevieinselby on May 31, 2022 22:07:55 GMT 1
That's really unfair to be honest, Wakefield just 9 miles from Leeds has the day return option, yet Leeds folk are forced to pay for an open return which is a lot more expensive, unless they know to split the ticket which many don't. The general principle is that journeys up to about 50 miles have a day return ticket, and journeys over about 50 miles don't (although within the former Network South East area, that distance can be considerably extended). Wherever you draw the line, there will always be some journeys that just slip under while those from a neighbouring town don't. Although I do think that 50 miles is too small a radius – I regularly travel a lot more than that out and back in a day. If the idea is that long-distance passengers who benefit from the flexibility of an open return should pay extra for that privilege then day return tickets should cover the vast majority of journeys that people might want to do in a day. |
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Post by adam on Jun 1, 2022 8:53:46 GMT 1
It's probably just a missing fare that needs adding in between Leeds and Edale.
I'd like to see an overnight return which is literally valid for outbound on day 1 and return journey on the following day at anytime priced slightly less than 2 singles
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Post by deerfold on Jun 1, 2022 12:59:16 GMT 1
It's probably just a missing fare that needs adding in between Leeds and Edale. I'd like to see an overnight return which is literally valid for outbound on day 1 and return journey on the following day at anytime priced slightly less than 2 singles Leeds to Edale return is £25, just a fiver more than the single. It could do with an off-peak single/return. |
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