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Post by Burnside on Aug 2, 2008 11:34:05 GMT 1
Arriva cuts services again.... what a surprise. Pretty soon there will be one bus doing a huge long winded route serving the whole of Yorkshire! I though the 402/3 were core services for the company, and if the buses had been fitted with guide wheels they could have been a great deal more popular down York Road. How come companies like Transdev are able to expand and create new services whereas Arriva are not? Is the company run by nesbits?! No. I think you'll find the company is run by pillocks!!! lol
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Aug 2, 2008 12:02:56 GMT 1
Services 402 and 403 are only popular with people coming into Leeds in the morning and leaving in the afternoon. Even then, some journeys run lightly loaded. I can see however the service being used well between Sherburn and Selby due to the fact it's quicker than going to Leeds and the train from Sherburn to Selby is virtually not there, only a handful of train journeys exist. In my opinion, the timetable needs speeding up in order to attract more useage. Excluding the poorly served Sherburn station, two train stations serve the Sherburn district (South Milford and Church Fenton). Micklefield on route 403 also has a station which can be reached as well quite easily from Sherburn. I suspect that people going to Leeds drive to these stations and catch the train.
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Post by mattyr88 on Aug 2, 2008 19:15:47 GMT 1
lots of people use the service 403 to get to crossgates. the people who catch these buses are the ones without cars so driving to trainstations is oiut of the question. if the service is cut to hourly then people just wont bother using them fullstop.
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Post by Craig on Aug 8, 2008 21:43:48 GMT 1
Some more odds and sods for the end of August change window...
406 will only run between Thorpe Willoughby and Selby i.e. the 402/403/406 combined Leeds to Selby service will be reduced to hourly Mon to Sat and 2-hourly on Sundays.
The pointless extension of the 221 from Heck to Cleck is withdrawn.
15 to be rerouted direct via Bradford Road and Old Road in Farsley i.e. no longer serving Cote Lane/Richmond Road
120 York AirCoach service to be renumbered 787 in line with other Airport services
As speculated by other members, the 680 tender to Smiddles Lane is reduced to hourly but extra journeys will still operate between Bradford and Heaton only, with a revised route in Heaton for these short runs
One of the new MetroLocal services, the ML12, will re-instate a limited bus service to the cut-off community of Briestfield, with off-peak buses Mon, Wed and Fri
408 will now operate between Pontefract and Doncaster only
New M Travel 137 service between Castleford and Pontefract, details unknown
450 Wakefield-Selby service to be renumbered 150 and no longer operates via The Croft in Knottingley
And finally... confusion still abound with the 606/607 change, both services each appear as running a "frequent" service, but clearly this can't be the case
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Post by m60800 on Aug 8, 2008 23:36:05 GMT 1
The 606 has needed changing for a long time. It was introduced to tie in with the times of a sunday morning church service. That church altered their times, but the bus failed to change with them. Anyway, all will be revealed shortly! (PS - at the time of writing, First Leeds and Hal/Hudds websites give brief details of the changes, nothing on Bfd's yet!)
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Post by Anthony on Aug 11, 2008 12:35:29 GMT 1
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Post by nick on Aug 11, 2008 12:44:51 GMT 1
Give them chance!!
120 to 787. Ha this LBA-City Services are getting the whole boeing fleet numbers. We have the 737,747,757,767,787 wont be long before we get a 777 and the 727.
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Post by m60800 on Aug 11, 2008 13:15:26 GMT 1
...so it looks like there is no change to the 606. The 607 seems to be reverting back to the standard overground frequency of 10, instead of 12, minutes.
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Post by jackh on Aug 11, 2008 15:59:04 GMT 1
The new 137 M Travel service between Pontefract and Castleford via Airedale is merely just a weekday one return journey service to cater for College Students.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2008 21:50:30 GMT 1
COMMENTS from BRADFORD: 15 will miss out richmond road- seems a more logical route into farsley 607 back to freq service- there seems to be enough trade on the THORNTON side to justify 10- was the odd man out and hard to figure out connecting services. i would suggest a 20-min on the leeds road part to fit in with 72's.?
609 now 619 new BRADFORD- st luke's- BRI MON-SAT continues to Bingley mon-fri. does not say what roads it goes on, just the areas it serves. 630- the two late evening journeys are merged 645 operates new otley road in place of 670 679\810 will turn at dallam avenue as mentioned earlier but will also serve the previous stop outside saltaire tram shed. 680- interestingly the short workings still serve toller lane and leylands.
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Post by Craig on Aug 11, 2008 22:49:53 GMT 1
No-one has yet commented on the quite considerable Arriva cuts now confirmed:
135/136 Pontefract-Chequerfield section cut from every 10 to every 15 mins Mon to Sat and cut from every 30 mins to hourly on Sundays
156/159 Saturday frequency INCREASED to every 15 mins (an improvement!)
164 withdrawn, part replaced by extra peak buses on 163/166
184/185 Castleford-Pontefract section cut from every 20 to every 30 mins on Saturdays
188/189 Castleford-Leeds section cut from every 20 to every 30 mins on Saturdays
402/406 will now only operate between Selby and Hambleton/Thorpe Willoughby, except some peak 402 buses which will still extend to Leeds. Otherwise only the 403 now operates to Leeds, hourly Mon to Sat and 2-hourly Sundays.
408/409 no longer operate section between Castleford and Pontefract, with no replacement service
410 no longer operates section between Pontefract and Knottingley (this is covered by the 150). The remaining section of the service between Leeds and Pontefract is cut from every 20 to every 30 mins Mon to Sat
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Post by mattyr88 on Aug 12, 2008 20:50:15 GMT 1
the 402/403/406 reduction is just ridicoulous, its a financial decision with a single thought of the people who live in sherburn, south milford and selby etc. people are gonna have to catch the bus somewhat 2 hours before their shift at work even starts on a sunday for though to travel to leeds. when are these changes taking place?
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Post by jackh on Aug 14, 2008 21:00:56 GMT 1
Metro now are putting simple line diagrams into none core route timetables showing the main destinations along the bus route.
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Post by jackh on Aug 14, 2008 21:06:01 GMT 1
With the Saturday service cuts on the 184/185/189. The 189 will run every 10/20 minutes between Wakefield and Castleford. The 184 hourly and the 185 hourly. The timetable can be found here: www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/F847FBA1-E350-49E8-BD28-0001F0F71F5E/0/125.pdfI wonder what will happen to the weekday interworkings with the 189 and 410 at Leeds Bus Station as the 189 will run every 20 minutes whilst the 410 is half hourly.
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Post by the110 on Aug 15, 2008 9:12:48 GMT 1
you can't reduce the 402/403 service, its far too much of a demand for passengers. its very popular, this would be a killer for sherburn if it was to become hourly, could do with being a tad more frequent then what it is now if you ask me Reason for Editing: changed ya to youYou all seem to be very surprised about this reduction, where as us drivers have seen this coming for ages. The selby to leeds run has been poorly used for ages now, apart from a few peak buses and you need to realise that a company can't keep putting money in and getting nothing out. If people in areas where the bus serves don't use it you loose it simple.
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Post by the110 on Aug 15, 2008 9:15:27 GMT 1
the 402/403/406 reduction is just ridicoulous, its a financial decision with a single thought of the people who live in sherburn, south milford and selby etc. people are gonna have to catch the bus somewhat 2 hours before their shift at work even starts on a sunday for though to travel to leeds. when are these changes taking place? People do this now anyway as the 406 is hardly used at all. The main areas it is used is Brayton and Thorpe of which will still be served.
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Post by jackh on Aug 15, 2008 18:05:09 GMT 1
Anyway, wasn't the Sunday service enhancement to hourly done at Arriva's own expense as the Sunday service beforehand on the lone 403 was less than two hourly?
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Post by Craig on Aug 15, 2008 18:12:30 GMT 1
As well as the simple line diagrams Jack mentions that are used in timetables (these have been around for the last few months), more and more timetables are getting full geographic maps (as per the Overground leaflets), although some are not quite as detailed and/or geographically accurate as they could be. I therefore presume that the simple line diagrams are just an interim measure until all timetables are produced with full maps.
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Post by the110 on Aug 16, 2008 8:07:48 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 16, 2008 10:38:49 GMT 1
As well as the simple line diagrams Jack mentions that are used in timetables (these have been around for the last few months), more and more timetables are getting full geographic maps (as per the Overground leaflets), although some are not quite as detailed and/or geographically accurate as they could be. I therefore presume that the simple line diagrams are just an interim measure until all timetables are produced with full maps. I've only seen this for First Bradford services or the Metro funded hospital services (629, 530), all the other normal grey timetables seem to be gaining the basic line diagrams only
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Post by Burnside on Aug 16, 2008 13:40:33 GMT 1
One question: Rather than fannying about with an alternative route on service 680 for journeys terminating in Heaton, wouldn't it be easier to turn it in the turning circle outside BRI?
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Post by dougie on Aug 16, 2008 16:21:27 GMT 1
As well as the simple line diagrams Jack mentions that are used in timetables (these have been around for the last few months), more and more timetables are getting full geographic maps (as per the Overground leaflets), although some are not quite as detailed and/or geographically accurate as they could be. I therefore presume that the simple line diagrams are just an interim measure until all timetables are produced with full maps. Good to see Metro providing more maps in their leaflets, as well as the city/area maps that they've been doing for years. Sadly, here in South Yorkshire, we've never had city/town wide maps, and the PTE leaflets got rid of the individual maps that they used to have. Yet again, Metro improving things whilst SYPTE go backwards...
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Post by jackh on Aug 19, 2008 18:12:18 GMT 1
The new 135/136 timetable makes a nice read! The 136 appears to be broken into two sections on Monday to Saturday daytimes with what looks to be no through journeys from Chequerfields onto Xscape and Cas'.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 19, 2008 19:00:17 GMT 1
Yes it’s a straight forward timetable that. Every hour you’ve got
(135) Pontefract – Castleford (135) Castleford – Pontefract – Chequerfield – Pontefract (135) Castleford – Pontefract (135) Pontefract – Chequerfield – Pontefract – Castleford (136) Pontefract – Chequerfield – Pontefract (136) Pontefract – Chequerfield – Pontefract (136) Castleford – Pontefract (136) Pontefract - Castleford
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