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Post by twy7 on Jun 18, 2022 21:11:37 GMT 1
If they actually cared about their staff, they would pay them what they ask for, put the terms and conditions they want in the contracts. The management have no idea of what a bus drivers job entails, the management don't go out and see what a bus driver does, all management do is sit on their arse all day in the office, doing paperwork and do meetings and that's it. The management are a bunch of overpaid, useless clowns. I have no sympathy for the evil management, the same management who sacked a member of staff for looking after their sick grandchild, even though that said member of staff gave them plenty of notice, kept them uptodate. Ok but I want a million pound but because my boss would not give it does not mean he does not care about my well being or is evil. I know this is exagerate of course but hope you see what I mean. How do we see that what arriva offer is the right hour wage for a bus driver is probably to see what other company pay. I will have a look I have try to find what the other company pay rate are looking at job websites and used highest I have found Please correct any if I have found wrong First Huddersfield £11.00 First Halifax £11.00 First school unit £10.30 First Bradford £13.00 First Leeds £11.00 First York £12.00 First Doncaster £13.00 First Sheffield £12.00 Transdev Harrogate £12.25 Transdev Keighley £12.79 Transdev Flyer £10.70 Transdev Team Pennine £10.50 Stagecoach Barnsley £11.91 HCT or CT plus £11.00 Ross travel £9.75 Squarepeg £12.50 Arriva current £12.15 Arriva 1 offer 4.1% £12.65 Arriva 2 offer 7% £13.00 Arriva 3 offer 8.2% £13.15 £13.15 look to be best paid in yorkshire but am not to say they should not be on more than £13.15 because I think all bus drivers should be but what I am saying is arriva are not the only bad guy here I think because look at some of the other company rate they are very low |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 18, 2022 21:58:25 GMT 1
I’m expecting the strike to go on next week to coincide with the rail strike, as it will generate a better news story for the unions, so regardless of the offer on the table the union will drag their feet over next week.
I’m not sure where being on strike next Thursday alongside the Wakefield election sits. I recall there was one rail strike a few years ago (I think it was Southern or SWR) who went on strike all week except for the Thursday so people could ‘get out and vote Labour’ on Election Day.
Therefore I predict it’ll either be Thursday or a week next Monday when buses return
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Post by driver6540 on Jun 18, 2022 22:54:23 GMT 1
The truth is, many Arriva drivers/staff wont care how long this strike lasts because the strike pay they are getting from Unite is probably a record amount. This i know as fact, because as a long time member of Unite (previously TGWU) and having held several positions within my union branch i still have close links to the union trade group that represents Arriva Yorkshire. I know the exact amount of strike pay they are getting and all i can say is, well done lads you've done fantastic there. I just hope there's a speedy resolution to this damaging dispute and the AY staff get what they deserve. But don't run away with the idea any AY staff will be starved back to work.
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 19, 2022 10:31:45 GMT 1
I am not saying they should not get a rise because I think every one should because of inflation but I worry when they do pay up what this will mean for the service and will we see more cut. I think arriva will find difficult to increase fare in west yorkshire with what mayor brabin has said so they can get no extra money to pay more or could I miss some thing? Have they got back to the normal level of passenger now does any one know? nope as before for the strikes majority of routes were Monday-Friday standard and weekends were running as Sunday timetables on temporary basis plus it will depend on how many people gone through training school before and during strike. They can't increase fares really as the Mayor standard fare come in to play in September so in a way the only depot area to see an increase will be Selby on 8, 42, 64, 415, 401, 405 and 408/409 as soon as the leave WY boundary. Arriva's fares are actually pretty good value, and are generally cheaper than other operators'. Selby to York costs £6 return, which is cheaper than most other journeys of a similar length or shorter outside the PTEs, eg - Easingwold to York, £6.70 return (Reliance) - Beverley to Hull, £7 return (East Yorkshire) - Ripon to Harrogate, £9 return (Transdev) Only the K-Day ticket looks like it offers much better value than an Arriva Yorkshire day ticket – I'm not saying that I want to see fares go up, but if it's the only way to make the service sustainable while paying drivers a fair wage then it would hardly be the end of the world if it went up from £6 to £7 a day, when fares have hardly increased at all for several years. |
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Post by Username on Jun 19, 2022 11:35:07 GMT 1
Better hope Arriva is not on strike next Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday as trains will be striking, so people of Wakefield to get to Leeds will be huddled on to a tiny Streetlite on the 116 to Leeds.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 19, 2022 11:57:58 GMT 1
Better hope Arriva is not on strike next Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday as trains will be striking, so people of Wakefield to get to Leeds will be huddled on to a tiny Streetlite on the 116 to Leeds. Station Coaches would look to deploy the e300 alongside the eclipse on 116 in place of a Streetlite and actually the Streetlites Station Coaches have have decent capacity given no WY operator has the WF streetlite. I'd rather a Streetlite or even a Solo turn up over a crap mini e200 anyday. |
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 19, 2022 12:17:14 GMT 1
Hello to all,
I`ve enjoyed reading about how the people on strike at the moment go about sorting food and drink and how they occupy themselves, i`ve never ever in a 30 year bus driving career gone on strike but they appear to be pretty chilled out.
Oh and the person on here who seems to have been deleted for expressing his views on Arriva management was actually talking about my current situation when he mentioned a forum member who has had his employment terminated for looking after his sick grandson.
I`m wondering if there will be a few less men striking today to spend time with their children if they have them due to it being Fathers day and a day for quality family time?.
Bryan.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 20, 2022 16:37:08 GMT 1
Today's talks have failed so strike continues.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 20, 2022 18:55:58 GMT 1
Today's talks have failed so strike continues. When is the next time talks take place? I feel like they should be taking place almost daily. |
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 20, 2022 21:00:14 GMT 1
Today's talks have failed so strike continues. When is the next time talks take place? I feel like they should be taking place almost daily. not been announced yet by either side |
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 20, 2022 22:40:19 GMT 1
What a shambles. Unite are a disgrace, and having caught trains for the past two weeks I'm now converted to them, so congratulations to Arriva, they won't be having my custom.
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Post by mutty on Jun 20, 2022 22:41:52 GMT 1
What a shambles. Unite are a disgrace, and having caught trains for the past two weeks I'm now converted to them, so congratulations to Arriva, they won't be having my custom. Well u won’t be catching trains most of this week will u 😉 |
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 21, 2022 0:47:04 GMT 1
A bit of positivity from Tracy! |
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 21, 2022 5:32:13 GMT 1
Ok but I want a million pound but because my boss would not give it does not mean he does not care about my well being or is evil. I know this is exagerate of course but hope you see what I mean. How do we see that what arriva offer is the right hour wage for a bus driver is probably to see what other company pay. I will have a look I have try to find what the other company pay rate are looking at job websites and used highest I have found Please correct any if I have found wrong First Huddersfield £11.00 First Halifax £11.00 First school unit £10.30 First Bradford £13.00 First Leeds £11.00 First York £12.00 First Doncaster £13.00 First Sheffield £12.00 Transdev Harrogate £12.25 Transdev Keighley £12.79 Transdev Flyer £10.70 Transdev Team Pennine £10.50 Stagecoach Barnsley £11.91 HCT or CT plus £11.00 Ross travel £9.75 Squarepeg £12.50 Arriva current £12.15 Arriva 1 offer 4.1% £12.65 Arriva 2 offer 7% £13.00 Arriva 3 offer 8.2% £13.15 £13.15 look to be best paid in yorkshire but am not to say they should not be on more than £13.15 because I think all bus drivers should be but what I am saying is arriva are not the only bad guy here I think because look at some of the other company rate they are very low First Bradford top rate £13.85 First Leeds £13.** First Huddersfield £13.00 Transdev Keighley £13.85 from July 1st |
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Post by joseph on Jun 21, 2022 6:16:23 GMT 1
A bit of positivity from Tracy!
That made me laugh, oh yeah, a union who won't be affected by powerless Brabin will be afraid won't they after she spoke in the strongest possible terms, what exactly did she say to them? Maybe it was 'I have almost no power what so ever over public transport and although I wish I could bring in franchising, and not award anything to Arriva unless you stop it and go back to work you naughty lot, you know I can't cos it will cost a bomb, so therefore it's a waste me doing this really cos all I'm doing is trying to make myself look like I'm doing something'. If we were to see a possibility of this ending soon, with both sides close to an agreement, both sides would be meeting more frequently as well as giving the public an indication they are close to an agreement. Instead, all we hear is breakdown of talks! |
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 21, 2022 6:48:39 GMT 1
A bit of positivity from Tracy!
That made me laugh, oh yeah, a union who won't be affected by powerless Brabin will be afraid won't they after she spoke in the strongest possible terms, what exactly did she say to them? Maybe it was 'I have almost no power what so ever over public transport and although I wish I could bring in franchising, and not award anything to Arriva unless you stop it and go back to work you naughty lot, you know I can't cos it will cost a bomb, so therefore it's a waste me doing this really cos all I'm doing is trying to make myself look like I'm doing something'. If we were to see a possibility of this ending soon, with both sides close to an agreement, both sides would be meeting more frequently as well as giving the public an indication they are close to an agreement. Instead, all we hear is breakdown of talks! If it's owt like what she said on Calendar last night about the train strike she'll have have shot herself in the foot as in all actuallity WYCA/Metro are just as much to blame for not covering their tender routes apart from just the 111 which in fact is actually is funded more from Mid Yorks like the 113. Plus lets not forget it was said Tracy Brabin who was slagging off Arriva's lockdown timetables after she was elected and slagging them off about the timetables as stops not been up to date at the time. |
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Post by twy7 on Jun 21, 2022 9:02:47 GMT 1
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Post by guyarab on Jun 21, 2022 19:46:45 GMT 1
BBC Look North said tonight:…..”In the last fifteen minutes we have heard that Arriva’s improved offer has been turned down by Unite”. I understand no talks took place, so If it’s not true, why put out such information?
The reporter was in the Arriva hotspot of Bradford. In the first week of the strike, Look North asked the residents of Otley for their views!
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 21, 2022 20:48:55 GMT 1
BBC Look North said tonight:…..”In the last fifteen minutes we have heard that Arriva’s improved offer has been turned down by Unite”. I understand no talks took place, so If it’s not true, why put out such information? The reporter was in the Arriva hotspot of Bradford. In the first week of the strike, Look North asked the residents of Otley for their views! delayed coverage by the sounds as there's been no statement from Arriva or Unite yet for when the next round of talks will be |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 21:22:41 GMT 1
A bit of positivity from Tracy!
That made me laugh, oh yeah, a union who won't be affected by powerless Brabin will be afraid won't they after she spoke in the strongest possible terms, what exactly did she say to them? Maybe it was 'I have almost no power what so ever over public transport and although I wish I could bring in franchising, and not award anything to Arriva unless you stop it and go back to work you naughty lot, you know I can't cos it will cost a bomb, so therefore it's a waste me doing this really cos all I'm doing is trying to make myself look like I'm doing something'. If we were to see a possibility of this ending soon, with both sides close to an agreement, both sides would be meeting more frequently as well as giving the public an indication they are close to an agreement. Instead, all we hear is breakdown of talks! Not sure why you think she cannot start the process to begin franchising,Doesn't she have as much power as Burnham who is introducing it in Great Manchester? Frankly i think this Arriva strike (along with the railway) has proved that West Yorks could do with Franchising (alongside other stuff) |
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Post by joseph on Jun 21, 2022 21:48:07 GMT 1
That made me laugh, oh yeah, a union who won't be affected by powerless Brabin will be afraid won't they after she spoke in the strongest possible terms, what exactly did she say to them? Maybe it was 'I have almost no power what so ever over public transport and although I wish I could bring in franchising, and not award anything to Arriva unless you stop it and go back to work you naughty lot, you know I can't cos it will cost a bomb, so therefore it's a waste me doing this really cos all I'm doing is trying to make myself look like I'm doing something'. If we were to see a possibility of this ending soon, with both sides close to an agreement, both sides would be meeting more frequently as well as giving the public an indication they are close to an agreement. Instead, all we hear is breakdown of talks! Not sure why you think she cannot start the process to begin franchising,Doesn't she have as much power as Burnham who is introducing it in Great Manchester? Frankly i think this Arriva strike (along with the railway) has proved that West Yorks could do with Franchising (alongside other stuff) Not intending to go off topic but if it were me I'd just get on with it, Tracy doesn't seem to have made any progress with franchising, all she seems to do is just talk about it. Those stern words she had and her bright message of hope that both parties were close to an agreement, err clearly not going by the breakdown of talks and the fact the union is flexing it's muscles even more lol. |
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 21, 2022 22:01:53 GMT 1
That made me laugh, oh yeah, a union who won't be affected by powerless Brabin will be afraid won't they after she spoke in the strongest possible terms, what exactly did she say to them? Maybe it was 'I have almost no power what so ever over public transport and although I wish I could bring in franchising, and not award anything to Arriva unless you stop it and go back to work you naughty lot, you know I can't cos it will cost a bomb, so therefore it's a waste me doing this really cos all I'm doing is trying to make myself look like I'm doing something'. If we were to see a possibility of this ending soon, with both sides close to an agreement, both sides would be meeting more frequently as well as giving the public an indication they are close to an agreement. Instead, all we hear is breakdown of talks! Not sure why you think she cannot start the process to begin franchising,Doesn't she have as much power as Burnham who is introducing it in Great Manchester? Frankly i think this Arriva strike (along with the railway) has proved that West Yorks could do with Franchising (alongside other stuff) it's been leaked to media last week or week before it wont be until at least 2027 by the time we start seeing franchising in any area due to legal issues that DfT not disclosed to the operators. The most we'll get at moment from any Metro Mayor is the fares been centralised and capped |
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 21, 2022 22:03:35 GMT 1
Not sure why you think she cannot start the process to begin franchising,Doesn't she have as much power as Burnham who is introducing it in Great Manchester? Frankly i think this Arriva strike (along with the railway) has proved that West Yorks could do with Franchising (alongside other stuff) Not intending to go off topic but if it were me I'd just get on with it, Tracy doesn't seem to have made any progress with franchising, all she seems to do is just talk about it. Those stern words she had and her bright message of hope that both parties were close to an agreement, err clearly not going by the breakdown of talks and the fact the union is flexing it's muscles even more lol. it was leaked to media that it'll be 2027 by time we see owt due to legal rulings that DfT didn't tell the Metro Mayors and PTEs about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 22:05:38 GMT 1
Not sure why you think she cannot start the process to begin franchising,Doesn't she have as much power as Burnham who is introducing it in Great Manchester? Frankly i think this Arriva strike (along with the railway) has proved that West Yorks could do with Franchising (alongside other stuff) Not intending to go off topic but if it were me I'd just get on with it, Tracy doesn't seem to have made any progress with franchising, all she seems to do is just talk about it. Those stern words she had and her bright message of hope that both parties were close to an agreement, err clearly not going by the breakdown of talks and the fact the union is flexing it's muscles even more lol. I Don't think its as simple as that,under The Bus Services Act they have to do draw up many different assessments & other legal documents before then starting on looking at business cases - look how long it took Burnham to introduce it before the legal challenges started (Tracy could be also using a more gentle approach to try & avoid that) Don't forget also Burnham couldn't do much during the GNW strike either - the extra coaches/buses hired in was done by GNW themselves,what was alot more easier as there was more drivers available plus as there was still covid restrictions it meant coaches was begging for work & probably did it at a cheaper price. |
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Post by twy7 on Jun 21, 2022 22:18:27 GMT 1
That made me laugh, oh yeah, a union who won't be affected by powerless Brabin will be afraid won't they after she spoke in the strongest possible terms, what exactly did she say to them? Maybe it was 'I have almost no power what so ever over public transport and although I wish I could bring in franchising, and not award anything to Arriva unless you stop it and go back to work you naughty lot, you know I can't cos it will cost a bomb, so therefore it's a waste me doing this really cos all I'm doing is trying to make myself look like I'm doing something'. If we were to see a possibility of this ending soon, with both sides close to an agreement, both sides would be meeting more frequently as well as giving the public an indication they are close to an agreement. Instead, all we hear is breakdown of talks! Not sure why you think she cannot start the process to begin franchising,Doesn't she have as much power as Burnham who is introducing it in Great Manchester? Frankly i think this Arriva strike (along with the railway) has proved that West Yorks could do with Franchising (alongside other stuff) I do not think franchising would help at all and it would make it worsen for the drivers. There are already strikes by bus drivers in London which has franchising. All that will happen is even lower wage because who ever company can do it for cheaper will win. |
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